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QuandoDio said:
Travel, enjoy the museums, galleries, eateries and maybe the women ( or men, if that is your preference).
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Porque no los dos?

On a more serious note, it is not my first time in Paris and it has been a while in fact since I have exhausted the usual touristic spots—though certain experiences deserve, indeed demand repetition (insert the appropriate Proust quote here).

I will certainly enjoy my woman, spend a lot of time in my favorite quarter (Belleville) with the obligatory daily stop at my favorite bakery (Nani), eat at my favorite restaurant (Noura), buy too many books on “occasion,” and visit as many museums as my distracted brain can handle on a single trip, yet I wouldn’t mind having an iGent’s taste of Paris for the first time.
 
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viaattovannucci said:
Porque no los dos?

On a more serious note, it is not my first time in Paris and it has been a while in fact since I have exhausted the usual touristic spots—though certain experiences deserve, indeed demand repetition (insert the appropriate Proust quote here).

I will certainly enjoy my woman, spend a lot of time in my favorite quarter (Belleville) with the obligatory daily stop at my favorite bakery (Nani), eat at my favorite restaurant (Noura), buy too many books on “occasion,” and visit as many museums as my distracted brain can handle on a single trip, yet I wouldn’t mind having an iGent’s taste of Paris for the first time.
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In that case, Dirnelli to the rescue:


http://dirnelli.tumblr.com/post/88055950330/paul-luxtumblrcom-scores-some-grailfind

http://dirnelli.tumblr.com/post/54674381832/how-to-find-and-buy-fabric-i-get-more-and-more

Lafayette Saltiel Drapier is the open secret though for fabric hunters -I went there about four/five years ago and there was quite a bit of vintage bolts and surprisingly, they also had latest books. Not value for money though, IMO. Then again this was ages ago ( in Igent years)

Reading Dirnelli's recc's again, i also visited Sacre Coupons - now that was a bargain. Though often end-of-fabric and mainly pant lengths ( and skirt lengths) for my then paramour.

Also,

Au Bonhour des Dames at 1-3, rue Livingstone
 
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QuandoDio said:
In that case, Dirnelli to the rescue:


http://dirnelli.tumblr.com/post/88055950330/paul-luxtumblrcom-scores-some-grailfind

http://dirnelli.tumblr.com/post/54674381832/how-to-find-and-buy-fabric-i-get-more-and-more

Lafayette Saltiel Drapier is the open secret though for fabric hunters -I went there about four/five years ago and there was quite a bit of vintage bolts and surprisingly, they also had latest books. Not value for money though, IMO. Then again this was ages ago ( in Igent years)

Reading Dirnelli's recc's again, i also visited Sacre Coupons - now that was a bargain. Though often end-of-fabric and mainly pant lengths ( and skirt lengths) for my then paramour.

Also,

Au Bonhour des Dames at 1-3, rue Livingstone
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oh lololololo verri tonik 2000 verri grailfind

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viaattovannucci said:
Porque no los dos?

On a more serious note, it is not my first time in Paris and it has been a while in fact since I have exhausted the usual touristic spots—though certain experiences deserve, indeed demand repetition (insert the appropriate Proust quote here).

I will certainly enjoy my woman, spend a lot of time in my favorite quarter (Belleville) with the obligatory daily stop at my favorite bakery (Nani), eat at my favorite restaurant (Noura), buy too many books on “occasion,” and visit as many museums as my distracted brain can handle on a single trip, yet I wouldn’t mind having an iGent’s taste of Paris for the first time.
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Well you should have a good benchmark to measure the decline against. Awful this time of year though, cold and damp.
 
viaattovannucci said:
Porque no los dos?

On a more serious note, it is not my first time in Paris and it has been a while in fact since I have exhausted the usual touristic spots—though certain experiences deserve, indeed demand repetition (insert the appropriate Proust quote here).

I will certainly enjoy my woman, spend a lot of time in my favorite quarter (Belleville) with the obligatory daily stop at my favorite bakery (Nani), eat at my favorite restaurant (Noura), buy too many books on “occasion,” and visit as many museums as my distracted brain can handle on a single trip, yet I wouldn’t mind having an iGent’s taste of Paris for the first time.
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Lafayette Saltiel Drapier is great for vintage fabrics. although the best glen checks, gun clubs, and houndsteeth are now in my possession.
Charvet is top. Pure gentleman luxury. the neckerchiefs, pochettes and braided belts are top. Beleive they still have old stock Scottish made Balyntyne jumpers and the dressing gowns are amazing.
Hermes of course.
lots of good places for leather goods, often ex hermes if interested i could look it up. but not cheap.
there also a good place for custom watch staps, also can look it up for you if interested.
eli blu for cigar boxes.
Lots of top perfumeries : guerlain, Caron, and many smaller if that's your thing.
Don't know your access to shoos where you live but if you don't have good shops there are several Crocket and Jones shops, Edward Green, little Johnny Lobb, Weston and Paraboot. I don't fuck with those pointy overly french shoos, or those shoo painters which paris is full of.
marche aux puces is amazingly good for vintage furniture and design inspiration. definitely worth going if you've never been.

For me that's it. Rather do the rest of my shopping in other places.

There are a plethora of shops selling vintage bespoke (often vintage french bespoke). i don't fuck with that either. But Message Dyrnylly, he will reply. If not try Lux.

What about a meetup with Jupiter Jupiter

Also Noura is pretty good/average Lebanese food. not bad but there is a lot better.
 
FriendCustomer said:
Lafayette Saltiel Drapier is great for vintage fabrics. although the best glen checks, gun clubs, and houndsteeth are now in my possession.
Charvet is top. Pure gentleman luxury. the neckerchiefs, pochettes and braided belts are top. Beleive they still have old stock Scottish made Balyntyne jumpers and the dressing gowns are amazing.
Hermes of course.
lots of good places for leather goods, often ex hermes if interested i could look it up. but not cheap.
there also a good place for custom watch staps, also can look it up for you if interested.
eli blu for cigar boxes.
Lots of top perfumeries : guerlain, Caron, and many smaller if that's your thing.
Don't know your access to shoos where you live but if you don't have good shops there are several Crocket and Jones shops, Edward Green, little Johnny Lobb, Weston and Paraboot. I don't fuck with those pointy overly french shoos, or those shoo painters which paris is full of.
marche aux puces is amazingly good for vintage furniture and design inspiration. definitely worth going if you've never been.

For me that's it. Rather do the rest of my shopping in other places.

There are a plethora of shops selling vintage bespoke (often vintage french bespoke). i don't fuck with that either. But Message Dyrnylly, he will reply. If not try Lux.

What about a meetup with Jupiter Jupiter

Also Noura is pretty good/average Lebanese food. not bad but there is a lot better.
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Noura? Very Sefardi peasant TripAdvisor choice. There are such great places to eat in Paris. Belleville? Ololol, super crappy cosmopolitan district.

Relatively to Igents spots FC made the right recommendations. Concerning fabrics shops there is Les Tissus français which seems more affordable than Lafayette Saltiel (never been there). Concerning the shoes I also dislike this pointy parisian fashion (Caulaincourt, Corthay, Altan). Nevertheless Gustavia shoes (former partner of Altan) makes top price/quality shoes.

I work in Paris but don't live anymore in the capital (did it during 25 years). I moved to an aristocratic country spot with a castle next to me.
 
Jupiter said:
Noura? Very Sefardi peasant TripAdvisor choice. There are such great places to eat in Paris. Belleville? Ololol, super crappy cosmopolitan district.

Relatively to Igents spots FC made the right recommendations. Concerning fabrics shops there is Les Tissus français which seems more affordable than Lafayette Saltiel (never been there). Concerning the shoes I also dislike this pointy parisian fashion (Caulaincourt, Corthay, Altan). Nevertheless Gustavia shoes (former partner of Altan) makes top price/quality shoes.

I work in Paris but don't live anymore in the capital (did it during 25 years). I moved to an aristocratic country spot with a castle next to me.
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Agree about Noura, viaattovannucci viaattovannucci said it was his favorite restaurant, just giving my opinion. Agree about Belleville too.

Lafayette Saltiel had an amazing vintage selection. Enormous. It is a real fabric merchant that at one time created collections and caried the stock. Those others are all jobbers selling shitty end of roll or defective fabric, not my thing.

For the cost of living in Paris you could be living in the castle, not the place next to it.
 
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FriendCustomer said:
Agree about Noura, viaattovannucci viaattovannucci said it was his favorite restaurant, just giving my opinion. Agree about Belleville too.

Lafayette Saltiel had an amazing vintage selection. Enormous. It is a real fabric merchant that at one time created collections and caried the stock. Those others are all jobbers selling shitty end of roll or defective fabric, not my thing.

For the cost of living in Paris you could be living in the castle, not the place next to it.
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That's exactly why I left Paris. You must be part of the 1% to live there with kids. Being part of the 5% is not enough. Moreover, with time passing I ended up conceiving a certain disdain of the city. There are great places to live around Paris when you go sufficiently far (30/40 km).

Yes Lafayette Saltiel is a cornucopia. Highly recommended.

PS: about Noura and Belleville, I was mocking viaattovannucci viaattovannucci . I can't suspect you to have such a bad taste.
 
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FriendCustomer said:
Lafayette Saltiel Drapier is great for vintage fabrics. although the best glen checks, gun clubs, and houndsteeth are now in my possession.
Charvet is top. Pure gentleman luxury. the neckerchiefs, pochettes and braided belts are top. Beleive they still have old stock Scottish made Balyntyne jumpers and the dressing gowns are amazing.
Hermes of course.
lots of good places for leather goods, often ex hermes if interested i could look it up. but not cheap.
there also a good place for custom watch staps, also can look it up for you if interested.
eli blu for cigar boxes.
Lots of top perfumeries : guerlain, Caron, and many smaller if that's your thing.
Don't know your access to shoos where you live but if you don't have good shops there are several Crocket and Jones shops, Edward Green, little Johnny Lobb, Weston and Paraboot. I don't fuck with those pointy overly french shoos, or those shoo painters which paris is full of.
marche aux puces is amazingly good for vintage furniture and design inspiration. definitely worth going if you've never been.

For me that's it. Rather do the rest of my shopping in other places.

There are a plethora of shops selling vintage bespoke (often vintage french bespoke). i don't fuck with that either. But Message Dyrnylly, he will reply. If not try Lux.

What about a meetup with Jupiter Jupiter

Also Noura is pretty good/average Lebanese food. not bad but there is a lot better.
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Thank you, FriendCustomer FriendCustomer . I wouldn’t mind hearing also about your pick of ex-Hermès leather goods. One can always suplurge on that item that one absolutely doesn’t need, especially if the myth behind the product and the experience of trip can combine to create the illusion of a justification.

Charvet truly is a dreamscape. They are mostly known for their shirts and ties stateside (for good reason, undoubtedly), but a visit—ideally unconstrained by the pressures of time—to the House really reminds you of what men’s style was about before #menswear and, perhaps more importantly, the “lifestylization” of every single brand. You can experience what each article can signify beyond its immediate utility or economic value: an immeasurable opulence, an unapologetic, perhaps unselfconscious, excess, even a certain grandeur that may be borrowed, but certainly not inherited, by a change of clothes. A space that for once redeems the negativity of the modern experience that is encapsulated by the time-work German adage: “viel Schein, wenig Sein.” For once, fleetingly, appearance takes substance.
 
viaattovannucci said:
Thank you, FriendCustomer FriendCustomer . I wouldn’t mind hearing also about your pick of ex-Hermès leather goods. One can always suplurge on that item that one absolutely doesn’t need, especially if the myth behind the product and the experience of trip can combine to create the illusion of a justification.

Charvet truly is a dreamscape. They are mostly known for their shirts and ties stateside (for good reason, undoubtedly), but a visit—ideally unconstrained by the pressures of time—to the House really reminds you of what men’s style was about before #menswear and, perhaps more importantly, the “lifestylization” of every single brand. You can experience what each article can signify beyond its immediate utility or economic value: an immeasurable opulence, an unapologetic, perhaps unselfconscious, excess, even a certain grandeur that may be borrowed, but certainly not inherited, by a change of clothes. A space that for once redeems the negativity of the modern experience that is encapsulated by the time-work German adage: “viel Schein, wenig Sein.” For once, fleetingly, appearance takes substance.
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Verry Fwiffoesque post. You just need to make it more British sounding and more all about you.

Oh and more about lady friends. Or is that Ladymen?
 
Thruth said:
Verry Fwiffoesque post. You just need to make it more British sounding and more all about you.

Oh and more about lady friends. Or is that Ladymen?
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I usually love the poorly-educated of DW, but I aimed here at a synthesis of Fwiffo and the Great Shooman. I am so glad that you noticed. Since I am much less interesting than either of them and generally much less intoxicated than the former, this impersonal mode will have to do.

That also applies to the question of paramours: I have only one. Had we but world enough and time, and a worthier audience, I would probably write something about the interplay of texture and touch in our relationship (please note how the gender is left tantalizingly unspecified). But this will have to wait for another occasion.
 
viaattovannucci said:
I usually love the poorly-educated of DW, but I aimed here at a synthesis of Fwiffo and the Great Shooman. I am so glad that you noticed. Since I am much less interesting than either of them and generally much less intoxicated than the former, this impersonal mode will have to do.

That also applies to the question of paramours: I have only one. Had we but world enough and time, and a worthier audience, I would probably write something about the interplay of texture and touch in our relationship (please note how the gender is left tantalizingly unspecified). But this will have to wait for another occasion.
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Well put and well characterized. You already busted yourself by admitting to heterosexuality in your posts about Paris.
 
viaattovannucci said:
Thank you, FriendCustomer FriendCustomer . I wouldn’t mind hearing also about your pick of ex-Hermès leather goods. One can always suplurge on that item that one absolutely doesn’t need, especially if the myth behind the product and the experience of trip can combine to create the illusion of a justification.

Charvet truly is a dreamscape. They are mostly known for their shirts and ties stateside (for good reason, undoubtedly), but a visit—ideally unconstrained by the pressures of time—to the House really reminds you of what men’s style was about before #menswear and, perhaps more importantly, the “lifestylization” of every single brand. You can experience what each article can signify beyond its immediate utility or economic value: an immeasurable opulence, an unapologetic, perhaps unselfconscious, excess, even a certain grandeur that may be borrowed, but certainly not inherited, by a change of clothes. A space that for once redeems the negativity of the modern experience that is encapsulated by the time-work German adage: “viel Schein, wenig Sein.” For once, fleetingly, appearance takes substance.
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Well here are some of the many small independent leather goods makers in france, not all are ex hermes and not all are in paris:
http://www.duret-paris.com/10en.aspx
https://petercharles.fr/
http://www.herve-n-sellier.com/
https://www.abpconcept.paris/
http://www.leviaducdesarts.com/fr/serge-amoruso-design-378.html
https://www.camillefournet.com/en/
https://forthediscerningfew.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/interview-exclusive-de-jacques-ferrand/
https://atelierrenard.com/
http://www.jean-rousseau.com/
http://www.chanel-sellier.fr/
https://burel-sellier.com/les-ceintures/
Ducas (might be out of business)
 
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FriendCustomer said:
Well here are some of the many small independent leather goods makers in france, not all are ex hermes and not all are in paris:
http://www.duret-paris.com/10en.aspx
https://petercharles.fr/
http://www.herve-n-sellier.com/
https://www.abpconcept.paris/
http://www.leviaducdesarts.com/fr/serge-amoruso-design-378.html
https://www.camillefournet.com/en/
https://forthediscerningfew.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/interview-exclusive-de-jacques-ferrand/
https://atelierrenard.com/
http://www.jean-rousseau.com/
http://www.chanel-sellier.fr/
Ducas (might be out of business)
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Wonderful, thanks! Have you had any experience with Jean Rousseau, either for watch straps or any other leather goods?
 
 
viaattovannucci said:
Wonderful, thanks! Have you had any experience with Jean Rousseau, either for watch straps or any other leather goods?
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No experience with Jean Rousseau. Just been saving/collecting these links and names for a couple of years. I have used ABP for a watch strap and am very happy with the result.
 
If you go to Paris and items one and two on your list aren't eating and drinking copiuosly, I'm not sure why you are bothering to go.
 
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One Untermenschs poor quality stuff is another gents grail find
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When I tell you something is poor quality, you'd better listen. Ditto when I call out top quality.

Mes Chausettes Rouges, for instance, is top quality. It is to socks what Charvet is to shirts, and run by a very unassuming young bloke.

And if you want something for the WAGs, there's Viktoria Minya. I don't think she has her own boutique in Paris.
 
TheUntermensch said:
When I tell you something is poor quality, you'd better listen. Ditto when I call out top quality.

Mes Chausettes Rouges, for instance, is top quality. It is to socks what Charvet is to shirts, and run by a very unassuming young bloke.

And if you want something for the WAGs, there's Viktoria Minya. I don't think she has her own boutique in Paris.
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Would add two shirts o'mast to the parisian sartorial list: Courtot rue de Rennes and Lucca rue des Batignolles. No impressive handwork as their Italian counterparts but excellent cutters and fitters, much better and cheaper than Charvet to my view.
 
Jupiter said:
Would add two shirts o'mast to the parisian sartorial list: Courtot rue de Rennes and Lucca rue des Batignolles. No impressive handwork as their Italian counterparts but excellent cutters and fitters, much better and cheaper than Charvet to my view.
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Charvet suffers from the Parisian version of Savile Row rent prices. Courtot charges around 250 euros per shirt. You can find cheaper prices in the UK, even in London.
 
TheUntermensch said:
Charvet suffers from the Parisian version of Savile Row rent prices. Courtot charges around 250 euros per shirt. You can find cheaper prices in the UK, even in London.
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According to one of the current shareholders of F.G. van den Heuvel here in The Hague, the rent on the Row of their peers in London is well over a hundred English grand a month. That's some amount of shirts, although not that many bespoke wonders! Still a lot before passing go.

I thought a decent middle class existence in Paris was more costly than London?
 
''I thought a decent middle class existence in Paris was more costly than London?''

Nope. London takes the cake, And i have lived in both and still regularly visit. Both are painfully expensive either way so it is like Sophie's choice: if you want to be fucked up the arse or up the nose, either way...not pleasant.

Not the thread for this anyway! I doubt viaattovannucci viaattovannucci would have the time or inclination to visit these numerous recomendations.
 
QuandoDio said:
''I thought a decent middle class existence in Paris was more costly than London?''

Nope. London takes the cake, And i have lived in both and still regularly visit. Both are painfully expensive either way so it is like Sophie's choice: if you want to be fucked up the arse or up the nose, either way...not pleasant.

Not the thread for this anyway! I doubt viaattovannucci viaattovannucci would have the time or inclination to visit these numerous recomendations.
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The route of any real dandy
Live in london
Make the debts unbearable
Flee to paris

Or vice versa

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QuandoDio said:
''I thought a decent middle class existence in Paris was more costly than London?''

Nope. London takes the cake, And i have lived in both and still regularly visit. Both are painfully expensive either way so it is like Sophie's choice: if you want to be fucked up the arse or up the nose, either way...not pleasant.

Not the thread for this anyway! I doubt viaattovannucci viaattovannucci would have the time or inclination to visit these numerous recomendations.
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Right. Is this now some sort of travel blog? Fuck that noise. Take it to the appropriate forum, this is the men’s clothing forum.
 
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