Israel's Offensive

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Khaled Fahmy, chair of the history department at the American University in Cairo, has observed a sea change in public discussion about Hamas recently.

"There has been an alarming outpouring in the past two weeks, not only dumbing down and toning down criticism of Israel, but also — in fact — a very, very sharp increase in vitriolic, racist discourse against Palestinians and Hamas in particular," Fahmy said.
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What?
 
The Egyptians hate the Palestinians. One of the biggest problems in Gaza is that Egypt has locked the Palestinians in from the other side.
 
So Egypt got over the Jews fleeing their country way back when?
Am I right in assuming that the Palestinians, like the Native Americans, suffer from having a rich nomadic history?
 
JimmyRustler said:
Countries like Saudi Arabia have oil and money. They participate in the World Cup. They don't want to support a group of barbarous thugs who constantly try to goad them into an unwinnable war with 2 nuclear powers.

Countries like Egypt are busy with their own internal problems, killing other Muslims and Christians within their borders. Plus they remember the bloody nose they got last time they tangled with the Jews.

The last thing either group wants is an influx of ignorant, savage, violent assholes into their country.
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I'm not convinced, but you're persuasive.
 
Those palestinians savages beheaded a man in front of the mans son close to where i live. Must been nuked asap
 
http://www.timesofisrael.com/day-22...ack-idf-bombards-gaza/#liveblog-entry-1038715
Obama presumably demanded Israel stop, you know, blowing people up. Israel clearly declined.

Oh, a press statement from the State Department, who are a bit ticked about Israel arresting and beating a teenaged US citizen.
We can confirm that Tariq Khdeir, an American citizen, is being held by Israeli authorities in Jerusalem. He was visited by an official from the U.S. Consulate General in Jerusalem today.

We are profoundly troubled by reports that he was severely beaten while in police custody and strongly condemn any excessive use of force. We are calling for a speedy, transparent and credible investigation and full accountability for any excessive use of force.

We reiterate our grave concern about the increasing violent incidents, and call on all sides to take steps to restore calm and prevent harm to innocents.
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http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/07/228774.htm
 
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This article seems to be as spot on as any that I've seen.
Israel is always the aggressor but always takes the role of the victim. Palestinian women and children are all subhumans–“snakes” as one Israeli politician put it–who sneak into Israel through secret tunnels (whose existence is akin to executed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction) wearing “suicide bomb belts” and “blow up innocent Israelis along with themselves” while Israelis sit in cafes peacefully discussing philosophical issues and the latest news. To stop this slaughter of “innocent Israelis,” Israel has to blow up Palestinian hospitals, schools, and civilian homes and apartment blocks.
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In America the success of Israeli propaganda, never challenged of course by the US media, exceeds the success of Washington’s own propaganda. Most Americans believe that Palestinian women and children “are outfitted with explosive suicide belts” and that “the snakes,” as they are described by Israeli politicians, walk into Israeli cafes and “blow everyone up including themselves.”
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When you view the photos of Palestinians who have undergone an Israeli attack, what do you see? You see unarmed people crying, hugging dead children in their arms and one another. You never see a resolute armed people prepared to repel the next Israeli attack. You see devastated hospitals, schools, and apartment complexes and Palestinians in tears and no weapons.
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In contrast, there are reports that Israeli civilians sit atop the hill overlooking Gaza on sofas that they bring along with their drinks and food and watch in glee, clapping and cheering as Israeli bombs destroy Palestinians in their homes, children in their schools, and the ill in hospitals. If this is the true face of “the only democracy in the Middle East,” it is the face of evil.
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The view brainwashed into the West that “Palestinians are a threat” to Israel is absurd. If Palestinians are “a threat and a danger” to Israel, how is it possible that Palestinians are locked away into sealed ghettos in the remnants of their own country or into refugee camps in foreign countries?
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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/30/373328/moral-failure-of-western-governments/
 
John Lee Pettimore III said:
I'd find all this outrage believable if it happened when people besides Jews committed these heinous acts. But it doesn't.
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What? Remember that Desert Storm thing that was supposedly over Kuwait, or how the loonies always brought up Hussein killing "his own people" when referring to Kurds? Or that whole Bosnia thing?
Go on a college campus and find the "Save Darfur" crowd.
That Israel's barbarism is so blatant even through the gauze of Jewish guilt-laying just shows how truly awful the nation's actions are.

Israel is very much committing their own Kristallnacht here, except officially and on a much larger scale.
 
Russell Street said:
What? Remember that Desert Storm thing that was supposedly over Kuwait, or how the loonies always brought up Hussein killing "his own people" when referring to Kurds? Or that whole Bosnia thing?
Go on a college campus and find the "Save Darfur" crowd.
That Israel's barbarism is so blatant even through the gauze of Jewish guilt-laying just shows how truly awful the nation's actions are.

Israel is very much committing their own Kristallnacht here, except officially and on a much larger scale.
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LOL. Really, reread what you wrote. It makes it hard to take you seriously on this issue. Did the Jews constantly bomb and terrorize the Nazis before the Kristallnacht? Did I miss that part? Were they firing rockets into Munich? Did they reject a cease-fire that would have ended this? Did they refuse to acknowledge the right of Germany to exist?
 
And by the way, let me know when American and European liberals are pushing divestment campaigns against China, the Sudan, Russia. They won't of course. Because unlike Jews since the beginning of time, those aren't convenient targets.
 
I oppose all drone bombings, as they are unjust warfare.

We've all heard of the Mossad here, right? Like a scarier and more ruthless version of the CIA? Does anyone here not think that, if the end game was really to stop some handful of Hamas guy with dinky little handheld rockets...that they couldn't get it done swiftly and silently? Like they've done before.

It's a ruse. This is genocide. This is a prison fight where one prisoner claims the other bumped into him, then beats him to a bloody pulp. Palestine is constantly fighting to maintain their own homes. And losing. How does a "defensive" force take so much land?
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These dinky rockets that are allegedy hidden in schoolrooms, can they hit anything except expansionist forces?
 
JimmyRustler said:
I guess I just prefer the circumsizers to the beheaders.
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This reminds me of my pet AVP theory. I read some article that criticized the Aliens vs. Predator movie, claiming that the Alien, while rather revolting, merely wanted to survive and reproduce. The Predators were of course trophy hunters killing for sport. Mankind, identifying with the more humanoid (but morally reprehensible) Predator, teams up to destroy "the other."

I seriously think that is how most American think. "Hey, I'm pale and in a democratic republic with a big military. My roots are Judeo-Christian. I must be on the pro-Israel team!" Never mind the atrocities they commit, they resemble me, they're more my kind. Shirts vs. skins!
 
I can only speak from experience. All the Israelis I have ever met have turned out to be cunts. Nuke them.
 
I'll again make the distinction between Israeli nationals and the broad brush of Judaism that, well, liars like to mix into one entity.

Anyway, I doubt anyone is interested, but here's an article from...the Jewish Daily Forward by a J.J. Goldberg that describes the ruse and chicanery that led to the current escalation.
Brigadier General Moti Almoz, speaking July 8 on Army Radio’s morning show: “We have been instructed by the political echelon to hit Hamas hard.”
That’s unusual language for a military mouthpiece. You don’t expect to hear: “This is the politicians’ idea. They’re making us do it.”Where most disagreements involve policies that might eventually lead to some future unnecessary war, this one was about an unnecessary war they were now stumbling into.
Almoz was expressing a frustration that was building in the army command for nearly a month, since the June 12 kidnapping of three Israeli yeshiva boys. The crime set off a chain of events in which Israel gradually lost control of the situation, finally ending up on the brink of a war that nobody wanted — not the army, not the government, not even the enemy, Hamas.

Once the boys’ disappearance was known, troops began a massive, 18-day search-and-rescue operation...Only on July 1, after the boys’ bodies were found, did the truth come out: The government had known almost from the beginning that the boys were dead. It maintained the fiction that it hoped to find them alive as a pretext to dismantle Hamas’ West Bank operations.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu immediately placed a gag order on the deaths. For public consumption, the official word was that Israel was “acting on the assumption that they’re alive.” It was, simply put, a lie.

It was clear from the beginning that the kidnappers weren’t acting on orders from Hamas leadership in Gaza or Damascus. Hamas’ Hebron branch — more a crime family than a clandestine organization — had a history of acting without the leaders’ knowledge, sometimes against their interests. Yet Netanyahu repeatedly insisted Hamas was responsible for the crime and would pay for it.

This put him in a ticklish position. His rhetoric raised expectations that after demolishing Hamas in the West Bank he would proceed to Gaza. Hamas in Gaza began preparing for it. The Israeli right — settler leaders, hardliners in his own party — began demanding it.

But Netanyahu had no such intention. The last attack on Gaza, the eight-day Operation Pillar of Defense in November 2012, targeted Hamas leaders and taught a sobering lesson. Hamas hadn’t fired a single rocket since, and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013. Neither side had any desire to end the détente.

The last seven years have been the most tranquil in Israel’s history. Terror attacks are a fraction of the level during the nightmare intifada years — just six deaths in all of 2013.
Read more: http://forward.com/articles/201764/...ggered-an-unintended-war/?p=all#ixzz3900954PO
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http://forward.com/articles/201764/...ggered-an-unintended-war/?p=all#ixzz374C7CfC2
 
The spin on this story from media outlets is sides is incredible and appalling and sorely lacking in facts. There are bits and pieces of truth out there.

Hamas are a reprehensible group of thugs who will kill Arabs or Jews to push their agenda.

Israel, while claiming they don't occupy Gaza, controls land, air and sea via blockade. Same end as occupation.

Neither side is free from blame.

Lift the blockade and Hamas goes back into their shit holes for a while. Israel rejected the Hamas ceasefire terms of prisoner exchange (the ones that were re-arrested after a deal released them) and opening the borders.

Both Israel and Hamas attack civilians. Israel plays a dirty game because that is how it has to be done.

The initial Hamas rocket attacks were in retaliation to Israeli incursions.

Hamas most likely did not sanction the kidnapping of the Israeli teens. They praised it but it was most likely afiliates who did it in rogue fashion.

This is a political game set on destabilization of the Palastinian government. Hamas, Israel and Israel's western supporters do not want a Palastinian state under the terms of the UN brokered deal. Hamas can't stomach the PLO's recognition of Israel which is part of it.

It is ugly on both sides. Arabs and Jews could care less about Palastine.
 
I almost totally agree. I will make the minor niggle that Hamas, like Hezbollah, are slick enough to provide social services to their people in the form of medical care, education, and other charitable activities. This may be like the Mafia taking care of widows, but it is some good.
 
Russell Street said:
I almost totally agree. I will make the minor niggle that Hamas, like Hezbollah, are slick enough to provide social services to their people in the form of medical care, education, and other charitable activities. This may be like the Mafia taking care of widows, but it is some good.
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I don't think Hamas gives a shit about social services, not a chance. They care about their battle with Israel. The remainder is just appeasement, enough to maintain support, but no more. When this finally ends in 400 years, they won't have a reason to exist.
 
I am not sure that the level of social services provided by Hamas is greater than that provided by the government and NGO's. They don't do it for the good of the people. They do it to grow support for their agenda.

I don't think that Palastinians give a rat's ass about who is handing out the freebies and why.

A free meal is a free meal.
 
thruth said:
I don't think that Palastinians give a rat's ass about who is handing out the freebies and why.

A free meal is a free meal.
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True that. If Ariel Sharon was ladling at the soup line, they'd be coming for seconds and asking for extra cornbread.
 
thruth said:
I am not sure that the level of social services provided by Hamas is greater than that provided by the government and NGO's.
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Well, it's more accessible at the very least as they are already there. If all need were being met, the hospitality branch would die out.
 
I never saw the Aliens flicks, so I may be off on this, but there is a difference in who comes to whose planet before the killing starts, no?
 
JimmyRustler said:
Except the aliens will impregnate your throat and kill you at birth. The Predators don't kill pregnant women or children. They have a code of honor and are much more respectable. No reasonable person would side with the Alien.
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It's more than that. The aliens are insects, devoid of any ability to communicate with us. The Predators appear to be mammals and can communicate with us. That's why people relate more to predators. I gather more people also like wolves than fire ants, and chimps more than spiders. Even though chimps are utterly ruthless genital-eating madmen.
 
The Jews are the chosen people. In the eyes of their allies they can do no wrong. In the eyes of their enemies they are the personification of evil.

For the rest, the killing keeps on killing with nary a second glance.

I'm more concerned about Ebola and the ease of international travel.
 
Protesters at the capitol protesting against the Palestinian "genocide". :ahahahaha: The Palestinian population has increased over 600% since the founding of Israel. If that's genocide, I think the Native Americans would eagerly sign up. So would Jews everywhere outside of Israel, for that matter.
 
Well, let's just say that some Israelis don't shy away from the term.
https://archive.today/RPf3M
http://www.timesofisrael.com/times-of-israel-removes-an-unacceptable-blog-post/#ixzz399uYKKsg

Palestinians repopulate because they fuck her right in the pussy. Just because Israel has not yet succeeded in in killing faster than they can multiply doesn't mean they aren't trying.

Besides, is there any group that should shy away from talk of genocide more? But no, we have this sort of talk, which sounds very final solution.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/harvard-prof-urges-popula_b_472191.html
 
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John Lee Pettimore III said:
In other news, some Americans want all homosexuals to die and burn in hell.
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I believe the proper religious tenet is that they get a chance to repent first. Despite the popular rhetoric, homosexuality is an activity and something more. It is different to condemn an action than to condemn a person or nationality or race.
 
Russell Street said:
I believe the proper religious tenet is that they get a chance to repent first. Despite the popular rhetoric, homosexuality is an activity and something more. It is different to condemn an action than to condemn a person or nationality or race.
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My point was more that we don't impute the views of Fred Phelps to all Americans.

I have quibbles with your characterization of homosexuality, but that's a topic for another thread.
 
OfficePants said:
Hey guys, big news: talk of more cease fires. They work like a charm so I hope it happens.
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Your cynicism is completely unwarranted. You think John Kerry (the guy that couldn't convince people to pick him over George Bush) will screw this up? That guy's got presence, man. Presence.
 
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