Obee City: Why so much fatness?

OfficePants said:
I don't really know how you can say that. The list of diseases obesity is linked to is pages long. What are you basing that belief on?
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That cancer is much worse and much more unpredictable in treatment than all obesity related diseases put together. Heart disease has halved in it's mortality contribution since the 60's even in the face of rising obesity. Cancer has steadily pulled even in mortality and is going ahead at an alarming rate.

I obviously don't support obesity, and Americas fatness is laughably sad (though Mexico is burnishing our image a bit), but between obesity related disease and cancer it's not even a question.
 
Medical science is fairly honest about not really knowing how the body processes nutrients, so the current advice is to stick with unprocessed foods that are "whole" and naturally bundled with the chemistry needed for proper absorption of all the goodness. Certain nutrients and vitamins need other complementary substances to get digested completely, and the complexity of this is beyond us for now.
With processed foods, ignoring the horrid toxic and unhealthy goop, the balances of vitamins and nutrients just will never be exactly what the body needs. There is no left over, unprocessed anything in one's body after eating an apple.
 
doghouse said:
That cancer is much worse and much more unpredictable in treatment than all obesity related diseases put together. Heart disease has halved in it's mortality contribution since the 60's even in the face of rising obesity. Cancer has steadily pulled even in mortality and is going ahead at an alarming rate.

I obviously don't support obesity, and Americas fatness is laughably sad (though Mexico is burnishing our image a bit), but between obesity related disease and cancer it's not even a question.
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Ok, fine. But where is the evidence that this is all directly caused by preservatives?
 
OfficePants said:
Ok, fine. But where is the evidence that this is all directly caused by preservatives?
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Well I didn't say all, but there's a lot of data coming out linking the two, and the statistics on cancer follow the food processing revolution in the 1950's and 60's.

Food additives and contaminants
Many substances are added to foods to prolong shelf and storage life and to enhance color, flavor, and texture. The possible role of food additives in cancer risk is an area of great public interest.

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Other compounds find their way into the food supply through agricultural use, animal farming, or food processing, even if their use is not directly intended for human consumption. Examples include growth hormones or antibiotics used in animal farming, small amounts of pesticides and herbicides in plant-based foods, and compounds such as bisphenol A (BPA) or phthalates that enter food from packaging. Some of these compounds are not known to directly cause cancer, but they may influence cancer risk in other ways – for example, by acting as hormone-like substances in the body.

Food processing
Food processing may also alter foods in ways that might affect cancer risk. An example is the refining of grains, which greatly lowers the amount of fiber and other compounds that may reduce cancer risk.

The processing of meat, by adding preservatives such as salt or sodium nitrite to prevent the growth of germs, or smoking the meat to preserve or enhance color and flavor, may add compounds that might increase the potential of these foods to cause cancer. Studies have linked eating large amounts of processed meats with an increased risk of colorectal cancer.This may be due to nitrites, which are added to many lunch meats, hams, hot dogs, and other processed meats.
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Fair enough, you didn't say all. But you are trying to link them, but I don't see much in the way of evidence. I agree, preservatives are crappy, but there is a ton of clear evidence on the damage sugars --> obesity are doing.
 
Well, personally I see plenty of links, and it's being studied more everyday. I just gave the overview from cancer.org as I'm not gonna data mine every study. But my greater point is that obesity, as bad as it is, is far less of a worry than cancer.
 
Yes, endemic is more appropriate. It only will subside if insurance companies start denying reimbursement if health issues can be linked to fatness.

Knee reconstruction, maybe if you shed 150 lbs there Mrs. Jackson
 
http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-wish-someone-would-do-something-about-how-fat-i,11146/
I Wish Someone Would Do Something About How Fat I Am
Commentary • people • Opinion • self-improvement • diet & weight • ISSUE 41•24 • Jun 15, 2005
By Philip Von Zweck
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Philip Von Zweck

Let me level with you. I'm fat. Not heavyset, but F-A-T, fat. I'm not saying this because I'm proud. It takes a lot of courage to admit it, but I have a problem. Strangers gape in amazement. Children taunt me behind my back. People have trouble looking at me when I eat, and for good reason: I'm huge. But gosh, I don't like being this way. I hate it as much as you do—maybe more. What I want to know is, how come no one is doing anything about it?

For the past 10 years, everyone has stood idly by and watched my waistline balloon. My friends didn't say anything as I sat and ate one chili-cheese dog after another. Even my own family hasn't lifted a finger to solve my weight problem. My mom's idea of "helping" is cooking a delicious dinner with all the trimmings. She knows as well as I do that, if she cooks a scrumptious meal, I am going to eat at least five servings and half a loaf of buttered bread, but that doesn't stop her.

According to government statistics, nearly two-thirds of Americans are overweight. If those figures are accurate—and I believe they are—then I really think the government should do something about this terrible affliction. I get winded walking to the corner, and I eat 3,000 calories before getting out of bed in the morning. I have cellulite on my forearms. Can't someone in Washington help me? Please? I am admitting that I need help. Now, someone—anyone—please help me.

I wish someone in the scientific community would look out for the obese little guy. They could provide liposuction and stomach stapling so a person like me would no longer be a danger to himself. Or, better, they could design a "magic bullet" to cure my corpulence. I mean, it seems like there should at least be a medicine that will make me stop stuffing my face when I'm full five times over. No kidding: If someone had an experimental new pill that would stop me from stuffing my face with food once I'm full five times over, I'd be the first in line to take it. Well, I mean, I would allow doctors to come to my home and administer the drug while I was comfortably splayed out on my sofa in my robe. That's how serious I am about having someone do something about my weight problem.

It is a problem. I know that. That's why I'm pleading for help. Obesity is ruining my life, if you want to know. I mean, I could die. I could really die, and it scares the hell out of me. I could drop like that if someone doesn't make me lose some weight.

I'll tell you what it is: My obesity is a direct result of the sheer volume of high-calorie, low-nutrition foodstuffs that are constantly available for my consumption. I go to the grocery store and load my cart with gallon upon gallon of pure-cream ice cream, bags and bags of so-called "healthy" chips, and enough cereal, frozen dinners, and candy bars to nourish an ox. No one even bats an eye. The cashiers blithely ring me up. The bag boys don't even complain that it takes them seven trips to get all of my food into the car. Everyone just acts like it's not their problem.

In a way, they're right. It isn't their fault. You see, I never could've packed on so many excess pounds without the thousands of farmers, truckers, grocers, and restaurateurs that supplied the steady stream of food I shoveled into my mouth for days and weeks and years without pause. I wish someone would do something to change that. Because, listen, I know myself, and I know that if restaurants keep frying food, I'll never convince myself to stop shoving brown, crispy food down my throat. It's time for some action. Stop me! Or stop them! I don't know! Just do something!

I've heard there are public-service announcements that address the obesity problem, but I don't really see how a commercial is going to make me stop eating. You see, odds are I'm in the kitchen making a sandwich during commercials. Someone should mail me a brochure about the risks of overeating. Better yet, send me a videotape. Reading on a full stomach makes me drowsy. Besides, I'm so exhausted most of the time, I fall asleep the second I hit the couch.

No one should have to live like I do. I shouldn't have to suffer the pain of eating a pail of fried chicken and a tub of mashed potatoes with gravy and still be hungry enough to polish off an entire apple pie. Where is your sense of human compassion? Please, someone, make me thin again. For God's sake, don't just stand there doing nothing.
 
thruth said:
Yes, endemic is more appropriate. It only will subside if insurance companies start denying reimbursement if health issues can be linked to fatness.

Knee reconstruction, maybe if you shed 150 lbs there Mrs. Jackson
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I have my fucking fingers crossed.
 
Russell Street said:
The fat lobby isn't marching against anything, but insurance companies are still paying for every texter that cracks their car up so I'm not holding my breath waiting.
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They don't march, they power mobility aid with signs.
 
A sad thing was seeing a little test film James Franco shot of a cowboys v. indians scene in Blood Meridian. All the Indian actors were fat, which is totally contrary to what reality and the novel portrayed. Then it occurred to me - they couldn't find any moderately built, much less thin, Indians. I remember from my days in the Dakotas that most of the natives were like Samoans. Huge slabs of meat.
 
I read this entire thread to my wife over dinner. At Costco. We were surrounded by teh fats.

Everywhere. This AA family behind us all weighed over 300lbs each, even the two teenagers. 3 of the 4 of them rode in motorized carts.

I consider myself a fattie, and feel justified in making myself uncomfortable / self-hate, but these people are just... bleh.
 
There is the school of thought that the massive farm subsidies cause the overreliance on corn in modern food products. Were the main ingredient in high fructose corn syrup not so cheap and plentiful, this whole scenario where crummy nutritionally deficient junk is readily available cheaper than real food might be less pronounced.
 
Russell Street said:
There is the school of thought that the massive farm subsidies cause the overreliance on corn in modern food products. Were the main ingredient in high fructose corn syrup not so cheap and plentiful, this whole scenario where crummy nutritionally deficient junk is readily available cheaper than real food might be less pronounced.
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Indeed. The whole notion that corn syrup is worse than any other sugar is bullshit. It's the fact that its so cheap and easy to put into everything that makes it so damaging to health, not its properties as a substance.
 
Russell Street said:
There is the school of thought that the massive farm subsidies cause the overreliance on corn in modern food products. Were the main ingredient in high fructose corn syrup not so cheap and plentiful, this whole scenario where crummy nutritionally deficient junk is readily available cheaper than real food might be less pronounced.
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OfficePants said:
Indeed. The whole notion that corn syrup is worse than any other sugar is bullshit. It's the fact that its so cheap and easy to put into everything that makes it so damaging to health, not its properties as a substance.
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This is bang on. Subsidies to corn producers to artificially inseminate corn-based products throughout the good chain from feed to products.
 
HFCS is less filling, less satisfying IME. You drink 8 oz of real Coke and you're good.
The disparity in prices that favors science concoctions over real food is somewhat created by our tax dollars at misuse.
Bronwyn Carlton made some crack about how postwar the government had to figure out what to do with all this corn and they figured out how to use it to make people fat and kill them.
 
Our lives are much more sedentary. Much more. I'm viewed as a freak for walking three blocks to work. Or walking a mile to football, basketball, and baseball games. For 99% of the course of human history, we walked everywhere. Now, we barely walk anywhere and sit behind computer screens for half of our waking lives. We have obese men using riding lawnmowers or a gas-powered chainsaw to cut a sapling down. 400 pound people ride around on fucking scooters and we give them subsidies because they are "disabled". It's pathetic. The Eloi are already here.

Zhirinovsky said:
THEY MUST EAT THE RIGHT THING.
BE AWARE OF WHAT IS LOW-CALORIE BUT FASHIONABLE TOO.
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Hard to eat the right thing when you have to sit in a line a mile long for food. Because of your excellent economic system. Say what you want about the Mongols and the Poles, but at least they can feed their own people.
 
John Lee Pettimore III said:
Our lives are much more sedentary. Much more. I'm viewed as a freak for walking three blocks to work. Or walking a mile to football, basketball, and baseball games. For 99% of the course of human history, we walked everywhere. Now, we barely walk anywhere and sit behind computer screens for half of our waking lives. We have obese men using riding lawnmowers or a gas-powered chainsaw to cut a sapling down. 400 pound people ride around on fucking scooters and we give them subsidies because they are "disabled". It's pathetic. The Eloi are already here.
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I'm pretty sure Wall E was dead on predicting future people.

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I want to send a PSA out to every university in America, telling every female that they're not doing themselves any favors whatsoever with the current trend of super-high-waisted-cutoff-jean-shorts. So much cellulite. So much jiggle. *shudder*

And it's like everyone. Literally no girl looks attractive in this.
 
Uff. And the ham hock arms. Please stop wearing shirts that don't cover the top of the arm. Nobody wants to see that gently sloping curve.
 
El Argentino said:
I want to send a PSA out to every university in America, telling every female that they're not doing themselves any favors whatsoever with the current trend of super-high-waisted-cutoff-jean-shorts. So much cellulite. So much jiggle. *shudder*

And it's like everyone. Literally no girl looks attractive in this.
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Every women in their mid-twenties and up hates it too. It's awful. At a rowdier tailgate last season, we actually booed a group as they walked by. Which I'm sure was a trigger/despicable act of misogyny, etc....
 
I'm gonna have to disagree. For tight bodied coeds that shit is hawt.
 
Love some 80's. Throw on a Hypercolor sweatshirt and some crimped hair and I'm gonna pretend I'm in a Tiffany or Debbi Gibson video with the broad.
 
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