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The M9 needs replacement and a striker-fired system seems to meet modern military needs. The modularity of the 320 seems rather unnecessary to me. A 4 to 5" 9mm barrel fulfills the requirements of almost all the sidearm carrying officers, heavy weapons operators, RMPs and office workers.

It's not a pistol I would want to own or would enjoy shooting, but I guess it hasn't been proven to suck yet.
Well, SIG generally makes a very good product, so I trust it will be satisfactory performer. All these plastic-framed, modular, ultra-modern jobs leave me cold as well. On Monday, I was out shooting my Smith & Wesson Model 25 in .45 Colt (4-inch barrel, custom Goncalo Alves Hogue Monogrip). I had assembled some very accurate, mild-recoil handloads. In all it was a most pleasant experience with a beautiful, old-fashioned blued-steel revolver--exactly my kind of gun! Need I mention that functioning was perfect? As one dear friend of mine in the industry said to me recently, "The new guns suck!"
 

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I have never fired a gun. So the bit in the crime novels where they discuss brands is wasted on me. What gun Harry Bosch uses and why is something I have no experience of.

I cannot imagine taking a gun down the pub; but I would probably have a go on a gun range if I was near one.

I could then bore Brits about the differences between Glocks, Sigs, Smith and Weston etc and they would not be able to contradict me.
 

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Is that an 1858 Remington? Without a trigger?
A replica, of course. On the original, only the grip frame was brass. I am not sure whether one of these revolvers could work as a "slip gun," minus the trigger. (A slip gun is one altered, as by tying back the trigger, so that could be fired only by fanning or letting the hammer slip from under the thumb. Some gunfighters in the old West seemed to like them.)
 

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Las Vegas anyone?
What can one say? It all seems to lack any discernible motive. Crimes like that are almost enough to make me give credence to the old belief in demonic possession.

At least if he were some fanatical Muslim slaughtering the kufra Crusaders for the glory of Allah, there would be some rationality (albeit of a twisted sort) behind his actions.
 

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What can one say? It all seems to lack any discernible motive. Crimes like that are almost enough to make me give credence to the old belief in demonic possession.

At least if he were some fanatical Muslim slaughtering the kufra Crusaders for the glory of Allah, there would be some rationality (albeit of a twisted sort) behind his actions.
False flag operation?
No military background and according to his family not a gun fanatic. Yet had almost 40 (illegally obtained) weapons at his home and in the hotel room.
 

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False flag operation?
No military background and according to his family not a gun fanatic. Yet had almost 40 (illegally obtained) weapons at his home and in the hotel room.
Jan Libourel Jan Libourel could answer this but wouldn’t it take at least a minor amount of training to shoot people from 30+ stories off the ground? Or do you just point the guns down and hope for the best?
 
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Jan Libourel Jan Libourel could answer this but wouldn’t it take at least a minor amount of training to shoot people from 30+ stories off the ground? Or do you just point the guns down and hope for the best?
When you're shooting a semi-auto weapon (and reports indicate that at least one of the weapons may have had an adaptor to increase the rate of fire) into a crowd of thousands of people in a confined space, I don't think that you need to be a skilled marksman.

In any case, if he had a collection of that many guns, he probably used to shoot recreationally at a gun range or somewhere else, so he'd be acquainted with how to shoot.
 

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It is still a huge amount of death and injury to be caused by one old age pensioner thirty floors up.

Conspiracy theorists will have a field day.
 

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It's not all that hard to point, aim and shoot a firearm. It is hard to hit a small target, like say a coke bottle, over a longish distance. Shooting down at a densely packed concert crowd of 30,000 for over 30 minutes could be done with one hand and vaguely pointing in the right direction with a semi auto anything. The hard part would be not hitting hundreds.
 

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Didn't take long for gun control calls to show up on MSM.
Still, 20+ firearms seems a bit much for a mass shooting job.
Would have been easier to use a machine gun, change the barrel and belt /mag and continue shooting.
The fact that police, FBI and MSM are still trying to establish his motive means he wasn't a Trump supporter.
 

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From early reports, all of the shooter's firearms seem to have been legal. A couple of them were fitted with "bump fire" stocks. I was hitherto oblivious to these devices. They increase the rate of fire of a semi-automatic firearm at the expense of accuracy. When I heard the tapes of the shooting, the shots were very fast but didn't strike me as full-auto fast.

The effectiveness of full auto fire from shoulder-fired firearms is highly overrated. My old mentor Tom Siatos, who had a lot more man-killing experience than most "combat gurus," told me the first things he learned as part of a Marine Raider unit in WWII were: "Take out the [sentry] dogs first and always keep your Thompson on semi-auto."

I was once up at the Petersen Ranch with a group promoting some sort of machine pistol. Someone remarked, "You're shooting it as if it were a target pistol!" I took that as a compliment.
 

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So the guy took out the window (which cannot be opened on the 32nd floor) and nobody noticed that?
I would imagine it's not the regular double-glazed window setup?
Is removing the glass that easy to do without help? It's quite a big window and it must be heavy.
 

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So the guy took out the window (which cannot be opened on the 32nd floor) and nobody noticed that?
I would imagine it's not the regular double-glazed window setup?
Is removing the glass that easy to do without help? It's quite a big window and it must be heavy.
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So the guy took out the window (which cannot be opened on the 32nd floor) and nobody noticed that?
I would imagine it's not the regular double-glazed window setup?
Is removing the glass that easy to do without help? It's quite a big window and it must be heavy.
Apparently, he broke the windows by hitting them with a hammer or by shooting them and he then kept on shooting. If you look at the pic that Thruth posted, you can see that the windows are smashed, not neatly removed.
 

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Apparently, he broke the windows by hitting them with a hammer or by shooting them and he then kept on shooting. If you look at the pic that Thruth posted, you can see that the windows are smashed, not neatly removed.
So he not only smuggled 23 weapons into his hotel room without getting noticed, but also a sledge hammer?
 

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So he not only smuggled 23 weapons into his hotel room without getting noticed, but also a sledge hammer?
He did not smuggle any weapons. He could have walked in with the rifles uncovered. Nevada is an open carry state.

If he brought them in a bag or bags he still was not smuggling them in.

The report was of a "hammer-like device" not a sledge hammer. You don't smuggle sledge hammers as they are not contraband.
 

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He did not smuggle any weapons. He could have walked in with the rifles uncovered. Nevada is an open carry state.

If he brought them in a bag or bags he still was not smuggling them in.

The report was of a "hammer-like device" not a sledge hammer. You don't smuggle sledge hammers as they are not contraband.
The Vegas casino hotels don't allow firearms for obvious reasons.
 

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From early reports, all of the shooter's firearms seem to have been legal. A couple of them were fitted with "bump fire" stocks. I was hitherto oblivious to these devices. They increase the rate of fire of a semi-automatic firearm at the expense of accuracy. When I heard the tapes of the shooting, the shots were very fast but didn't strike me as full-auto fast.

The effectiveness of full auto fire from shoulder-fired firearms is highly overrated. My old mentor Tom Siatos, who had a lot more man-killing experience than most "combat gurus," told me the first things he learned as part of a Marine Raider unit in WWII were: "Take out the [sentry] dogs first and always keep your Thompson on semi-auto."

I was once up at the Petersen Ranch with a group promoting some sort of machine pistol. Someone remarked, "You're shooting it as if it were a target pistol!" I took that as a compliment.
That's sound advice with a Thompson, for various reasons.
 
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