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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/courts/9th-circuit-second-amendment-protects-right-to-openly-carry-firearm-in-public

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that the Second Amendment protects the right to carry a gun openly in public for self-defense.

A divided three-judge panel ruled in favor of gun owner George Young, who argued his constitutional rights had been violated when his application for a license to carry a handgun publicly was denied.

“Once identified as an individual right focused on self-defense, the right to bear arms must guarantee some right to self-defense in public,” Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain wrote for the majority. “While the concealed carry of firearms categorically falls outside such protection, we are satisfied that the Second Amendment encompasses a right to carry a firearm openly in public for self-defense.”

With its ruling, the San Francisco-based court, considered to be the country’s most liberal circuit court, reversed an earlier ruling from the U.S. District Court for the District of Hawaii, which sided with the state and county.
 

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This was next to the shoe accessories shop. I’ve no idea what gun laws in France are but you’d never see anything like this in Oz.
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Laura is awesome. Piper has some odd ideas but is doing good work. Those SRA people are fuckwits who will get people hurt.
 

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^Hallelujah! It's gratifying to see such wisdom emanating from the bench...and I am now no longer a criminal in my home state! I can be almost certain there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth on the editorial pages of the Los Angeles Times tomorrow!
 

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^The far left has never really been anti-gun. I can recall asking the presidential candidate of the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party in 1968 what her views on gun control were. She was against it--"disarming the working class."

The article is somewhat murky on some of the history. "May issue" concealed carry permits are not a recent phenomenon. They originated in the 1920s. They gave the cops total control over who may or may not carry a gun. In most big-city jurisdictions, this pretty much degenerated into "Won't Issue" policies (as might be expected in a police state). Hence in recent decades we have seen the displacement of "may issue" by "shall issue" in more enlightened and freedom loving jurisdictions.
 

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^I'm surprised the cop was still carrying a revolver. So few do these days. Mediocre to poor looking strippers, I'd say. One of them was passable, the other...well, I'm surprised she got the job. Back when I used to frequent those joints in my wayward younger days 40-50 years ago, some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen were strippers, others I'd have paid to keep their clothes on!
 
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I'm not sure whether he's being satirical or serious...
Satire. A lot of uninformed people here use the refrain ‘guns should be regulated like cars’, not realizing that they are already regulated far more than automobiles. He is applying existing firearms laws and translating them to the automobile world.

It’s also been a refrain of defensive shooting instructors for decades that off-body carry (like a purse) is ineffective, dangerous and ill advised. Unfortunately, that doesn’t stop industry from churning out these “concealed carry” purses and bags with “hidden compartments”.

In other news, Rob Pincus - one of the best firearms trainers and commentators in this country contributed to an interesting WPo piece:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/guns-and-masculinity/

In other news, big YouTube shooting celebrity Hickok45 (aka Gun Grandpa) just cut ties with the NRA:

 

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A lot of uninformed people here use the refrain ‘guns should be regulated like cars’, not realizing that they are already regulated far more than automobiles.
Doesn't that depend which (US) state you are in? In some states, firearm purchases are quite highly regulated but in other states you can buy almost anything barring a fully-automatic assault rifle or machine gun with minimal checks.
 

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Doesn't that depend which (US) state you are in? In some states, firearm purchases are quite highly regulated but in other states you can buy almost anything barring a fully-automatic assault rifle or machine gun with minimal checks.
There are a LOT of federal laws and then state laws layering on top of that. For example, the NICS background check required before purchasing a firearm is a federal law.

If you’re interested, I could go through each auto law in the article and detail the real life firearm law it relates to.
 

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Meanwhile four shot dead at a ‘garlic festival’.

I am not sure I would want to be in a pub if people had firearms. I may have seen too many classic Westerns.
 

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Meanwhile four shot dead at a ‘garlic festival’.

I am not sure I would want to be in a pub if people had firearms. I may have seen too many classic Westerns.
The firearm was illegal to purchase or posses in California, with additional felonies for taking it into a bar.

In Texas, even a licensee cannot bring a firearm into any premises that derives 51% or greater of their income from alcohol (ie, carry at the restaurant that will sell a glass of wine with the meal, but not a bar or nightclub). Similar laws exist in all states. There are additional felony charges for being in possession of a firearm (even when otherwise licensed or legal) while intoxicated.
 

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So I have more to fear from Colonel Mustard and his lead pipe than those scary black rifles?

 

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I just thought I would take this occasion to note the death of outdoor writer Buck Pope, a noted big game hunter and firearms authority, on Wednesday morning shortly after he had been diagnosed with inoperable cancers. He was 81 or 82. Throughout most of my tenure as editor of Gun World magazine he contributed articles on hunting, rifles and a monthly column "Outdoors with Buck Pope." I don't believe I have ever worked with a more pleasant, genial, easygoing and cooperative man than Buck. We remained in regular touch after my retirement, conversing every couple of months or so. He will be sorely missed.
 

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Great blog post from Tinker this morning:

 

Jan Libourel

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^Some good points there. While I am a firm believer in the right of law-abiding citizens to carry concealed, I have always felt "open carry" (in urban settings, anyway) was thoroughly counterproductive. As my friend Jim Cirillo, one of the most renowned gunfighters of the 20th century, once remarked to me, "The first time an adversary should know you're armed is when he catches your bullet." (On reflection, I may have used that quote in this forum before. If so, my apologies for being repetitive.)
 
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