Your take on dieworkwear, shill or enthusiast?

SodoSEmite said:
damn shill

http://www.styleforum.net/t/490168/nicholas-templeman-a-bespoke-shoemaker
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These allegations of shilling seem to get casually tossed out around here. Do you have any evidence beyond existence of threads about certain brands that DW has created? If so, what is it? Several of you seem concerned about this possible shilling, so why not take action? The FTC has rules and guidelines. File a complaint. Do something other then post about it on a web-forum with readership less then a high-school graduation class.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/bus...orsement-guides-what-people-are-asking#social

While I know for a fact that shilling does happen on SF, I am not convinced that DW is taking part in it. Show some real evidence or take action. Right now, this is all blowing smoke.
 
You'd make Barb proud.

The working definition of a shill is someone who receives free or discounted goods and reviews or promotes them without disclosing that he didn't pay for them.

If an individual promotes goods which he paid for, but does so in a tasteless manner. He is a tackey.

If an individual openly receives free stuff for review, he is neither a tackey nor a shill. He is a sellout whore when he gives positive reviews but a upstanding thruthful citizen when he lambasts the product.

Good products do not need to be given away. Therefore, free products receiving good reviews are only for rectumites
 
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How about craptom? Is he a shill? He says sometimes it's free, sometimes he receives discounts (how much? 5% or 95%?) and sometimes he pays full price?

Can our resident shill scientists please opine?
 
doghouse said:
Did someone advocate calling the FTC? Lolwut.
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Read the rules on the FTC site I posted. Then take not of what DW claims in his post on SF that was called out.

Note: I'm not getting anything in return for posting about Nicholas here. I don't even have an order with him at the moment (paid, discounted, free, or otherwise). Nothing of that sort has ever been discussed or even brought up. I've just been in correspondence with him and think he's a talented, down-to-earth guy, so it would be nice to see him succeed. Given that small-house makers often suffer from lack of publicity, it seemed good to mention his travel schedule to people who might be interested in his work.
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Dieworkwear makes the point that he was not paid or given anything in return for his post. If he's lying and is shilling for the company like SodoSEmite claims, then he would be violation of these rules and ethics.

As I said, I don't buy it and these allegations get tossed out around here with little to no evidence backing them up.
 
The Machine said:
Read the rules on the FTC site I posted. Then take not of what DW claims in his post on SF that was called out.



Dieworkwear makes a point that he was not paid or given anything in return for his post. My point was that if he's lying and is shilling for the company like SodoSEmite claims, then he would be violation of these rules and ethics.

As I said, I don't buy it and these allegations get tossed out around here with little to no evidence backing them up.
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You are a special flower.
 
The Machine said:
Read the rules on the FTC site I posted. Then take not of what DW claims in his post on SF that was called out.



Dieworkwear makes the point that he was not paid or given anything in return for his post. If he's lying and is shilling for the company like SodoSEmite claims, then he would be violation of these rules and ethics.

As I said, I don't buy it and these allegations get tossed out around here with little to no evidence backing them up.
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since this will never have a scientific enough of an answer to placate you i suppose it comes down to whether or not you think he's telling the truth. do you? why is it that you think the people on this forum don't?
 
Rambo said:
since this will never have a scientific enough of an answer to placate you i suppose it comes down to whether or not you think he's telling the truth. do you? why is it that you think the people on this forum don't?
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My stance is that I have seen little evidence to point to the fact that he is a shill. Maybe I expect more then a post with "shill" and a link to a thread on another forum or speculation on what his salary range must be to form such a conclusion.
 
The Machine said:
My stance is that I have seen little evidence to point to the fact that he is a shill. Maybe I expect more then a post with "shill" and a link to a thread on another forum or speculation on what his salary range must be to form such a conclusion.
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ok, well first off, you can't use Sartodi as a benchmark of anything, much less a coherent opinion. the point of the whole thread is to raise the question. you have to read back from the start to get a clearer picture of the situation.
 
The Machine said:
These allegations of shilling seem to get casually tossed out around here. Do you have any evidence beyond existence of threads about certain brands that DW has created? If so, what is it? Several of you seem concerned about this possible shilling, so why not take action? The FTC has rules and guidelines. File a complaint. Do something other then post about it on a web-forum with readership less then a high-school graduation class.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/bus...orsement-guides-what-people-are-asking#social

While I know for a fact that shilling does happen on SF, I am not convinced that DW is taking part in it. Show some real evidence or take action. Right now, this is all blowing smoke.
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Sodasemen believes everyone who writes a blog and highlights a humble arthisan, product or brand is a Shill. Might be true to a lesser or greater extent depending on the blogger. That is the crux. Bloggers do not generally employ journalistic integrity
 
Monkeyface said:
How about craptom? Is he a shill? He says sometimes it's free, sometimes he receives discounts (how much? 5% or 95%?) and sometimes he pays full price?

Can our resident shill scientists please opine?
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Craptom was a shill until he was called out on accepting gifts and then started to make declarations. However he often writes questionable reviews such as when he was demounted by Sarto on the Burgos vs Kiton shirt reviews. So shill? Kind of. Irritating twat? Absolutely.

Check out his work as editor of Intelectual Property Management; his primary job.
 
The Machine said:
My stance is that I have seen little evidence to point to the fact that he is a shill. Maybe I expect more then a post with "shill" and a link to a thread on another forum or speculation on what his salary range must be to form such a conclusion.
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Again, do not use SodaShitBox as a point of reference except in rare cases where he has been on point (Passaggio Cravatte). Oh and he is a top, top authority on Frankie Knuckles and Raves too. Believe what he says. Mouldy cheese? World Authority. Black pinstriped odd jackets? No one better
 
Thruth said:
Sodasemen believes everyone who writes a blog and highlights a humble arthisan, product or brand is a Shill. Might be true to a lesser or greater extent depending on the blogger. That is the crux. Bloggers do not generally employ journalistic integrity
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It really depends on the blog. The larger, more well known ones, tend to be better in this area. Your typical "mommy blogger," not so much.
 
Craptom was a shill until called out. Now he is either a sellout whore (positive reviews) or an upright and thruthful citizen of the internet (negative reviews).

He is no longer a shill. Possibly a tackey. Our taxonomy needs some work.

Here he is receiving prostatic digitation

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The Machine said:
These allegations of shilling seem to get casually tossed out around here. Do you have any evidence beyond existence of threads about certain brands that DW has created? If so, what is it? Several of you seem concerned about this possible shilling, so why not take action? The FTC has rules and guidelines. File a complaint. Do something other then post about it on a web-forum with readership less then a high-school graduation class.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/bus...orsement-guides-what-people-are-asking#social

While I know for a fact that shilling does happen on SF, I am not convinced that DW is taking part in it. Show some real evidence or take action. Right now, this is all blowing smoke.
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I already did with a SHILL who sells the worst shoes ever, SKOAK-vomiten-diarreiken and nothing happened.

So next time you write a pedant crap as this, get made an analysis of blood because it seems you have completed the album of venereal disseases at this time.

YOU SODOseMITE!!!

 
The Machine said:
My stance is that I have seen little evidence to point to the fact that he is a shill. Maybe I expect more then a post with "shill" and a link to a thread on another forum or speculation on what his salary range must be to form such a conclusion.
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You have´t seen it because you have your face up the culo of all your husbands on your harem so as much sodoSEmite’s shit on your eyes ( appart of the side effects of venereal disseases at full) do not let you see up 1 cm. of distance.

Now a link to to a thread on other place of speCULAtion as a form such a conclusion:

sodoSEmite:
In Ezekiel 16, a long comparison is made between Sodom and the kingdom of Israel. "Yet you have not merely walked in their ways or done according to their abominations; but, as if that were too little, you acted more corruptly in all your conduct than they."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy
 
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Thruth said:
Craptom was a shill until he was called out on accepting gifts and then started to make declarations. However he often writes questionable reviews such as when he was demounted by Sarto on the Burgos vs Kiton shirt reviews. So shill? Kind of. Irritating twat? Absolutely.

Check out his work as editor of Intelectual Property Management; his primary job.
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Intelectual, proper (hand)job and crap-tom can´t be on the same sentence.
 
Rambo said:
he's got you there
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Here is the sentence(s):

His career is as a trade journalist, having edited magazines related to finance, banking and the law for the past 10 years. He is currently the editor of Managing Intellectual Property, the leading global magazine for patents, trade marks and copyright with a readership of 13,000 and annual turnover of around £4 million. He manages a team of eight journalists and editors based in London, New York and Hong Kong.
 
Thruth said:
Here is the sentence(s):

His career is as a trade journalist, having edited magazines related to finance, banking and the law for the past 10 years. He is currently the editor of Managing Intellectual Property, the leading global magazine for patents, trade marks and copyright with a readership of 13,000 and annual turnover of around £4 million. He manages a team of eight journalists and editors based in London, New York and Hong Kong.
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If that is written as his blog, i guess those patents will be soon copied made in china
 
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