A Futile and Stupid Gesture: The History of the First Trump Presidency & Q-Anon

Trump versus Patton, eh?

Lets see ...

Patron was a soldier who hated cowards. Trump is a draft dodger.

Patton hated Nazis and fought led an army against them. Trump is an apologist for fascism and repeatedly refuses to condemn fascist violence in America. Patton never said there were good people on both sides of the Dachau wire.

Patton was an anti communist who fought against North Korea. Trump sucked up to the North Korean dictator as well as the current Russian autocrat. Patton would be horrified by Trumps attempts to enlist foreign governments help in his failed election bid.

Patton’s family can’t stand Trump:

There is indeed a resemblance between the two men in the photo...

Patton believed in reincarnation, could it be....?

General George S. Patton did not serve in the Korean War as he was already brown breaded. His son served in Korea as a captain.

Patton was quite controversial his position on shell-shocked soldiers is very hard. Some speculate he was killed by the American intelligence agencies as he was about to go rogue, Colonel Kurtz style.

I do believe that Patton and Curtis LeMay would, despite Trump's civvy street credentials, get on with them both. Being mavericks and hard nosed egotistical bastards.
 
Trump versus Patton, eh?

Lets see ...

Patron was a soldier who hated cowards. Trump is a draft dodger.

Patton hated Nazis and fought led an army against them. Trump is an apologist for fascism and repeatedly refuses to condemn fascist violence in America. Patton never said there were good people on both sides of the Dachau wire.

Patton was an anti communist who fought against North Korea. Trump sucked up to the North Korean dictator as well as the current Russian autocrat. Patton would be horrified by Trumps attempts to enlist foreign governments help in his failed election bid.

Patton’s family can’t stand Trump:

Which Patton are we talking 'bout here? If you're referring to George S Patton Jr he didn't serve in Korea.

Patton was controversial character and was disciplined for slapping a soldier suffering from battle fatigue which strikes me as a very Trumpian thing to do...
 
which strikes me as a very Trumpian thing to do...

Are you serious? You think Trump would slap someone? This is a man who is too big of a coward to fire someone to their face. He is by far the biggest pussy ever to be President.
 
Are you serious? You think Trump would slap someone? This is a man who is too big of a coward to fire someone to their face. He is by far the biggest pussy ever to be President.
You're missing the point. The point is that he bullied a vulnerable subordinate from a position of power which strikes me as very Trumpian thing to do.
 



Trump leaving The Whitehouse


Trump has to go out gracefully to avoid falling into his enemy's trap.

But as the archetypal American tragi-hero type think John Ford Westerns, or Dirty Harry, he's possibly too in the mold to do that.

There's no cavalry coming for the Trump cause, no recognition of achievements particularly in foreign policy, as in the end of The Searchers, Ethan Edwards closes the door on polite society and walks out into the wilderness.
 
Um... perhaps he should leave gracefully because it is, quite simply, the right and proper thing to do?

After the past four years, does anyone expect him to do what is best for the nation over his self interest and inflated sense of grievance?
 
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You're missing the point. The point is that he bullied a vulnerable subordinate from a position of power which strikes me as very Trumpian thing to do.

But isn’t the point also that Patton was a warrior general while Trump was a draft dodger who used his privilege to shirk a responsibility Patton would have embraced? Yes they are both flawed, but that and a physical resemblance are the extent of the similarity.
 
As it happens he met with the military to discuss what actions he can take. Could he be imposing martial law or using some other executive order to over ride the current situation.

The truly remarkable - and concerning - thing is that while Obama was president, there was a small but significant number of people on the conservative side of politics who were convinced that Obama was going to declare martial law, put people in camps and so on.

Of course, they regarded that as a Very Bad Thing.

Now, all of a sudden, there is a significant number of people on the conservative side who actually seem to think that it would be a great idea if Trump declared martial law and either put people in to camps or executed people, and they wholeheartedly support any such proposal. The barefaced hypocrisy is both astonishing and shameful.

The other remarkable thing, Shooey, is that this sort of behaviour - a political party doesn't get the election result it wants, so it declares that it was rigged and looks to the military to "set things right" - is precisely the sort of thing that you would expect in a place like China.

You strenuously dislike the current Chinese government and denounce it at every opportunity as a Communist tyranny - and yet, unless I'm very much mistaken, you seem to think that it is reasonable for Trump to follow the same path...
 
Journeyman Journeyman things are not as simple as you say they are. Martial Law would enable Trump to seize all voting machines and charge all those involved so he can get to the bottom of the is mess. Installing election integrity is essential regardless of who wins. This is NOT about Trump becoming a dictator, it is about counting all the legal votes and shutting down any possibilities of voter fraud. Anyone who cares for democracy would want the voter issues investigated.,
i dont remember your take on this 4 years ago but dominion machines were used nationwide in during the 2016 election. do you feel that trump's election was also fraudulent?
 
This is NOT about Trump becoming a dictator, it is about counting all the legal votes and shutting down any possibilities of voter fraud. Anyone who cares for democracy would want the voter issues investigated.,

So you're saying that if we care about democracy, we should support martial law, so that it can save democracy?

i dont remember your take on this 4 years ago but dominion machines were used nationwide in during the 2016 election. do you feel that trump's election was also fraudulent?

Exactly.

I suspect that the difference, of course, is that Trump won that election so they're fine with that. Just as with "Obama + martial law = very bad" but "Trump + martial law = saving the US".
 
People like Obama all have strings tied to them, and they are puppets for the establishment.
can't argue with this point.
manufacturing locally,
sorry shoey but this one is just not true. local manufacturing has not risen in the past four years and even more plants and business have been shipped overseas.

Biden is all about regulation, taxation, sending manufacturing to China, selling America's sovereignty out to China, and pleasing his globalist mates. Why? Because he is a puppet for the elites.
again, can't really argue with that. its obama 2.0. hell the whole cabinet is practically obama alums.

Harris would be far worse, she's like a devil. This is who she is; as slippery as they get. Wake up guys.
she really does suck.
high taxation policies
so this caught my eye. who are you worried about getting taxed? lets presume a socialist meglomaniac gets into office. it would only be the ultra wealthy that get taxed. in fact, under said meglomaniac, normal people's taxes would likely decrease.
 
A great read for our dear The Shooman The Shooman

“For the first time this century, among countries with more than 1m people, there are now fewer democracies than there are non-democratic regimes.” This sobering sentence is by the Oxford university historian Timothy Garton Ash in an essay on “The Future of Liberalism”. The observation reflects what Stanford University’s Larry Diamond labels the “democratic recession”. The election of Joe Biden as US president is a relief. But this story is not yet over. To understand what is happening, one must connect politics to economics. Branko Milanovic, an expert on inequality, did this in Capitalism Alone, published last year. Capitalism has triumphed, he argues. He is right: the market economy is indeed triumphant. But, he adds, capitalist economies go with two distinct political systems in leading economies: the “liberal” model of the US and its allies, which is the concern of Messrs Garton Ash and Diamond, and China’s “political” model. Mr Milanovic argues correctly that liberal democracy is a good in itself and also allows peaceful self-correction. People do desire freedom and US voters have disposed of Donald Trump. The Chinese cannot do the same with Premier Xi Jinping. The argument for “political capitalism” is instrumental: it works. The rise of China has indeed been extraordinary. Many have noticed, too. A recent survey by the Pew Research Center shows that far more Europeans now think China is the leading economy than believe the US is, though the Japanese and South Koreans disagree. Many citizens of allies view China as the world’s leading economy. Chart showing percentage who say xxx is the world’s leading economic power Mr Milanovic’s dichotomy is useful but simplistic. A third political version of capitalism exists: demagogic authoritarian capitalism. This can arise out of collapsed communism, as in today’s Russia, or out of enfeebled democracy, as in Brazil or Turkey. Demagogic authoritarian capitalism is a hybrid. As in the Chinese system of bureaucratic authoritarian capitalism, the ruler is above the law and democratically unaccountable — elections are a sham. But power is personal, not institutionalised. This is corrupt gangster politics. It rests on the personal loyalty of sycophants and cronies. Often the core consists of the family members, viewed as most trustworthy of all. This is the political system Mr Trump wished to install in the US. Such rulers are like wasp larvae that eat the spider from within. They manage to win an election and then erode the institutional and political bulwarks against indefinite personal rule. Mr Trump has all the relevant characteristics: the truth is what he says it is; a fair election is one he wins; and a good official is one who is loyal. He wants to be an autocrat. This is distinct from saying that he wants to govern. Nero was not very interested in governing either. But he definitely was tyrannical. The great majority of citizens of allied countries view negatively how the US has handled Covid-19. Chart showing percentage of respondents who say the US has done a very bad, somewhat bad or very/somewhat good job dealing with the coronavirus outbreak Events in the US have shown two crucial things. First, core American institutions including the courts have resisted his effort to overthrow the elections. Second, a huge proportion of the Republican party has abetted his lie that the election was rigged. This has underlined another reality of the past four years: the Republican leadership showed absolute obedience to their leader, almost to the last gasp. This is no accident. It is the logical outcome of the political and economic strategy of the “pluto-populist”. Mr Trump is a natural outcome of the strategic goal of the donor class — tax cuts and deregulation. To achieve this end, they have to convince a large proportion of the population to vote against its economic interests by focusing on culture and identity. This strategy has worked and will continue to work: Mr Trump may have gone; Trumpism has not. Not entirely dissimilar patterns can be seen in Brexit Britain. The focus of the university-educated left on their form of identity politics plays into the hands of their rightwing counterpart. Citizens of close allies have become more sceptical about the US. Chart showing Percentage who have a favourable view of the US Mr Biden is a decent man. What he wants to do domestically and internationally makes evident sense. But he will confront an opposition determined to make him fail. Indeed, making government fail is the core of rightwing politics — that and stoking the rage of the base. One has to be blind not to see where this is leading. The donors would not be the first rich and powerful people to believe, mistakenly, that they can control demagogic demons they have helped create. The US is decreasingly viewed as a bastion of freedom. Chart showing Percentage who say the US respects the personal freedoms of its people As the Pew survey shows, the reality of Mr Trump’s US has eroded the world’s confidence in its competence and decency. Mr Biden will find it very hard to regain that trust, not because people do not believe in him, but because they do not believe in his country. And, with the US’s future as a liberal democracy still uncertain, the cause remains in grave trouble worldwide. Liberal democracy does have one big advantage: its main opponent. As Harvard’s Samantha Power notes, China’s approval rating in Gallup polling is a median of 32 per cent among over 130 countries. It has hardly budged in 10 years. People respect China, but do not like it. China also confronts the challenge of sustaining economic dynamism without a credible rule of law. Under Trump, rightwing foreigners view the US more favourably. Chart showing Percentage of respondents who have a favourable view of the US None of today’s dominant systems is working well. Capitalism is innovative, but creates huge social, political and environmental challenges. Liberal democracy is corroded, even at its core. But the authoritarian politics that challenge it are vastly worse. Unaccountable rule by gangsters or brutal bureaucrats is deeply depressing, even if the latter are much less incompetent. Those of us who continue to believe in freedom and democracy hope Mr Trump was the warning we all needed. But I doubt it. There is none so blind as rich egotists who will not see.
 
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"This bill contains $85.5m for assistance to Cambodia, $134m to Burma, $1.3bn for Egypt and the Egyptian military, which will go out and buy almost exclusively Russian military equipment, $25m for democracy and gender programmes in Pakistan, $505m to Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama."

America first.

Unless of course Egypt buys our refurbished F-16s and C-130s. Then it's okay.
 
Socialists are elitists, they love looking down on people by using identity politics, much like me here being looked down and laughed at by some for not sharing their ideas. That's how the left train their people...you can't have freedom of thought, you must fit into a category or box and think like everyone else.
that's not really fair shooey. while there are a few who might be laughing i believe the majority of the people are just trying to get to the bottom of your posts. its a lot of buzz words and statements but i personally can't seem to find any real tangible evidence about most of the things you're going on about. take this post for instance - the talk of the boogie man of socialism and all its ills but it reads like someone was mean to you on twitter and facebook so now you're being censored. i'm not saying that's what happened, but it sort of reads like that.
Socialists all have the same opinion as the mainstream media and social media, and they all have the same opinion as the school system.
see, here we go - this statement makes absolutely no sense. socialists HATE the mainstream media. in fact that's why they're so prevalent online because they can't get ANY coverage or traction in the mainstream media. the school systems are an absolute joke in this country. i was never taught about socialism, communism, or any other form of government or history in any meaningful way other than a few lines in a textbook. and i have family who were educators and they all say the same thing. the formative education of children and teens in america is one fiction to make america seem like its the greatest country on earth.

The socialists act like good little puppets, BUT the true elites (socialist government workers) are living well with their perks and quirks....they don't aim to serve the people, they aim to live well by working in government and living off the people's efforts.
again this seems like something out of a science fiction novel. no government worker is living so well that they're going to brag about it. its just a job. the real money is in the private sector. ask doghouse doghouse - working for the government is a joke done by do-gooders or careerists who want power and influence. the ones who want money all get out and go to the private sector. hell i even remember that in my recruiting pitch years and years ago the guy i talked to joked about how i could make my bones doing the government job then get out and go private to "make the real money"

Many have been caught up in united front work and are captured by the left, ie the CCP
if the left gave out jobs they'd be the single most popular organization in america by a LONG SHOT. even more popular than the NFL.

This is why l like Trump and are not for any political party. He is going to expose all of this and clean it up.
well he had four years and didn't do a god damn thing about it so i'm not exactly sure why you're holding out hope for a second dance with him.

They have all been exposed and they are going to get cleaned out. That includes the judges, politicians, Twitter, Facebook, youtube and other criminals part of the treason.
no they're not. you're living in a fantasy world. the rich get richer and the rest of us get fucked over and nothing ever changes. ever. THAT is why people are turning to socialism and communism, not this fantastical bullshit fantasy world you're projecting here.

I am a patriot of Australia and all for law and order, so of course l support what Trump is doing. It's is not about the politics, it is about cleaning out the scumbags.
this is interesting. i'm curious of your take on the australian government then. they're even more in bed with china than we are here in america. hell they can't even insult china on tv any longer without someone having to make a formal apology to the chinese government. that's got to grind your gears.

Trump will be the great president that brings in the new era.
of all the things you've said so far this may be the most silly.
 
I’ve never actually known anyone in a religious cult before. I find it all strangely fascinating. At least you are allowed to keep your shoe collection and don’t have to dress in robes with this one.
 
I wonder how the kool aid is though.

I'm generally sad tbh, Shooey is a genuine guy who I have known and liked for eons over the various fora. To watch the descent into madness is very unpleasant.
 
Speaking more broadly of Trump supporters, it is an endless source of amusement hearing them rail about identity politics while buying in heavily to the whole MAGA and white victimhood identity.

I never thought I’d feel nostalgia for the days when the party was lead by conservatives like McCain who identified as American (however they defined that) above all else.
 
I'm generally sad tbh, Shooey is a genuine guy who I have known and liked for eons over the various fora. To watch the descent into madness is very unpleasant.

At the risk of conducting some amateur psychoanalysis, I think that Shooey is prone to obsessing about things, to being "sucked in" to certain things.

A few examples:

- Shoes - of course, this is the abiding one that has lasted decades, but to read the way that Shooey refers to shoes it is clear that he is obsessed with them.

- Wheatgrass and raw foods - I'm not sure if Shooey is still doing this, but about a decade ago he was obsessed with juicing his own wheatgrass and only eating raw stuff. He also talked about drinking water that had been "energised" in some way.

- Sovereign citizen - on a couple of different fora, Shooey talked about how the Australian government was unconstitutional, it was a corporation that was registered in the US, our laws didn't have an effect, he didn't need to pay for car registration or parking and so on and on. He wouldn't listen to any logical arguments that were made against his beliefs. It seems that the scales gradually fell from his eyes and he became disillusioned with the sovereign citizen/freeman on the land movement.

This belief in the sanctity of Trump and the evil of China seems to flow out of the latest of Shooey's obsessions, Falun Gong/Falun Dafa. It's the latest in a series.

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The Shooman The Shooman - I don't think that people on here are making fun of you - at least, Grand Potentate Grand Potentate and I certainly aren't. Instead, we want to discuss your beliefs because it's really like an alternate reality view of things. We want to try to understand why you believe those things, what the basis for those beliefs are.

Speaking more broadly of Trump supporters, it is an endless source of amusement hearing them rail about identity politics while buying in heavily to the whole MAGA and white victimhood identity.

Exactly.

To add to that, Trump has to be the biggest whinger I have ever listened to - never accepting responsibility for anything, always blaming others, always the victim of something-or-other.
 
Sovereign citizens are dangerous, crazy fuckers over here. My cop friends live in fear of pulling one over for a traffic citation and ending-up in a gunfight.

The Gong stuff is just kooky for now, though perhaps it’s just a matter of time before they breed terrorist splinters.

I mean, we all laughed at the crazy 5G memes and now ... Nashville.
 
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So much to unpack here.

In essence Trump is arguing that to avoid "Communism" private companies should not be able to control the content on their sites but instead accept whatever the government says is the truth and censor whatever the government does not like. Otherwise the government should have the power to cancel them.

Am I getting that?

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Sovereign citizen - on a couple of different fora, Shooey talked about how the Australian government was unconstitutional, it was a corporation that was registered in the US, our laws didn't have an effect, he didn't need to pay for car registration or parking and so on and on. He wouldn't listen to any logical arguments that were made against his beliefs. It seems that the scales gradually fell from his eyes and he became disillusioned with the sovereign citizen/freeman on the land movement
I totally forgot about that.

I always think of The Shooman The Shooman when I hear Wheatgrass to this very day though
 

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