A Futile and Stupid Gesture: The History of the First Trump Presidency & Q-Anon

So trump leaked them?
Did it not come from Trump's heroes over at Wikileaks? Russia gives Assange his own TV show on their propaganda channel; Wikileaks dumps info on Trump's enemies. What did I miss? Oh, yeah. Trump sucks Putin's dick.

Trump, Wikileaks, and Putin are the goddamn Axis. And this is Normandy Beach.

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Did it not come from Trump's heroes over at Wikileaks? Russia gives Assange his own TV show on their propaganda channel; Wikileaks dumps info on Trump's enemies. What did I miss? Oh, yeah. Trump sucks Putin's dick.

Trump, Wikileaks, and Putin are the goddamn Axis. And this is Normandy Beach.

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Woah there huckleberry, come on back to the stable. We can only process so much crazy per post.
 
Did it not come from Trump's heroes over at Wikileaks? Russia gives Assange his own TV show on their propaganda channel; Wikileaks dumps info on Trump's enemies. What did I miss? Oh, yeah. Trump sucks Putin's dick.

Trump, Wikileaks, and Putin are the goddamn Axis. And this is Normandy Beach.

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Big talk, let's hope you can back it up with evidence, or is this just another Pissgate scandal?

You can tell what the leftists are up to by what they accuse the conservaties of doing.....

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/03/06/you-can-tell-what-leftists-are-doing-by-what-they-accuse-conservatives-of-doing-n2294209
 
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

By the end of 2016, the CIA's hacking division, which formally falls under the agency's Center for Cyber Intelligence (CCI), had over 5000 registered users and had produced more than a thousand hacking systems, trojans, viruses, and other "weaponized" malware. Such is the scale of the CIA's undertaking that by 2016, its hackers had utilized more code than that used to run Facebook. The CIA had created, in effect, its "own NSA" with even less accountability and without publicly answering the question as to whether such a massive budgetary spend on duplicating the capacities of a rival agency could be justified.
 
The whole point of the Umbrage info leak was to cast doubt on the Russia spying / hacking scandal and paint it as a possible "false flag." The leak is absolutely, 100%, engineered to help Trump and Putin. If anything, the timing of it cements the relationship between them.

Two things here. First, the CIA is an external intelligence organization with no law enforcement capability and has no jurisdiction -- aside from its extremely limited National Resources Division responsible for voluntary debriefings of USPERS -- on US soil or in cases involving USPERS, no matter what Hollywood tells you.

If the CIA finds that a USPERS is wrapped up in an international issue, it has to get permission to retain the USPERS information, and that is such a pain in the ass that typically it hands the USPERS info over to law enforcement. The CIA could not have broken into a US server "looking like Russians." No director would ever sign off on it, because that's how you end up with a blindfold and a cigarette. The CIA are renowned as feckless, hand-wringing, square-toed, slack-bellied career bureaucrats, lardassed legions who are just marking time and drinking coffee until that sweet retirement at 42 when they can tell everyone they worked at CIA. This is why the IC is laughing at the very thought that they'd hack a US organization. There was a time when the thought would have occurred to them, but those days are long over. No GS-15 at Agency has taken a risk past using the wrong club between yardages since the Wall came down. All the more reason that, if they're handing over boxes full of information to unseat the president, you can trust that it's bomb-proof. They don't do risk.

Secondly, the IC keeps its capabilities close to the chest for your own good, because the paranoid, the disloyal, and the irretrievably stupid will always misuse knowledge of them. This leak was specifically engineered to cast doubt on the biggest scandal in presidential history, which just got backed up with 2,000+ pages of documents on the same day, and only morons will fall for it. Unfortunately, America is brimming with paranoid morons.

This whole thing is old-school Soviet doctrine, right out of the Voroshilov Lectures, with a secondary effect that's equally damaging if the primary mission fails; in this case, throwing a pall over the legitimacy of our government if they can't effectively put a puppet into office and keep him there.

On that last point, cue Alex Jones in three . . . two . . .
 
Trump Met Russian Ambassador at Reception During Campaign
by
Justin Sink
Bloomberg, March 8, 2017, 10:03 AM PST
  • Meeting at odds with spokeswoman’s denial of any contacts
  • Event resurfaces amid attention to aides’ Russia encounters
President Donald Trump met last April with the Russian ambassador at the center of a pair of controversies over engagement between Trump allies and the Kremlin, despite claims by his spokeswoman that he had "zero" involvement with Russian officials during the campaign.

Attention to Trump’s encounter with Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak resurfaced after revelations last week that at least five members of Trump’s campaign team -- including Attorney General Jeff Sessions -- had contact with Kislyak before Trump took office.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...mbassador-during-campaign-at-speech-reception

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Can somebody explain to me why the US IC is obsessed with Russia being the big bad villain in all of this?
I mean, there are countries with far larger resources (finances and personnel) than Russia (China, anyone?) when it comes to spying, infiltrating foreign governments and alike.
Hillary got serious money from Chinese "businessmen" and some Middle Eastern figures during her campaign and I didn't see anyone in the MSM or the IC freak out about that.
 
It might be because Russia recently invaded a sovereign nation and because they believe Russia directly interfered in the election.
 
Or could it be it's because Russia interfered with the CIA plans in Syria?
Or because Russia doesn't trade in $ but in € instead? Or is it because Russia is on good terms with a lot of countries in the region, especially China and both are actively creating a block that threatens the US influence?
 
Or could it be it's because Russia interfered with the CIA plans in Syria?
Or because Russia doesn't trade in $ but in € instead? Or is it because Russia is on good terms with a lot of countries in the region, especially China and both are actively creating a block that threatens the US influence?

I think they just can't face the facts that Hillary the seasoned professional politician lost to a newcomer and political amateur. Rather than admit to their backers they were incompetent and failed, it's a case of let's blame someone so no one finds out how incompetent we really are. If it wasn't the Russkies it would be the Brexiteers, or some other entity to hide their abject failure.

As former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper stated on being asked whether there were impromper contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials: "We did not include evidence in our report and I say our, that's NSA, FBI and CIA with my office, the director of national intelligence that had anything - that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russian. There was no evidence of that included in our report."

On being further pressed on whether there is collusion between Russian and the Trump campiagn he stated "Not to my knowledge."
 
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^ this, too. There are a ton of reasons why Clinton lost, and the election was close enough that each on its own changes the result of the election. That Clinton was a bad candidate is a big one.

The collusion folks aren't quite NWO nutty, but they're up there.

I do think Russia interfered and that Trump benefited, but I've not come across any argument that it was done at his, or anyone in his campaign's, behest.

As such, I hope that the majority of the investigation is concerned less with Trump and more with what Russia did, how they did it, and what needs to be changed going forward.
 
Well, one suggestion is for America to stop interfering the elections/affairs of other nations.

...that would be a good start!
 
Well, one suggestion is for America to stop interfering the elections/affairs of other nations.

...that would be a good start!

I wouldn't blame "America" or the US as a country or it's people for those shady activities.
It's more a very small, yet powerful group of people that use their influence in the US government to act on their behalf.
The same people control the MSM and the money system.
I doubt that Cleatus from Lizzard Lick is interested in invading a foreign country.
 
I wouldn't blame "America" or the US as a country or it's people for those shady activities.
It's more a very small, yet powerful group of people that use their influence in the US government to act on their behalf.
The same people control the MSM and the money system.
I doubt that Cleatus from Lizzard Lick is interested in invading a foreign country.

I don't blame American 'people' I appreciate there is diversity of opinion amongst Americans and acknowledge that many dislike aspects of their country's foreign policy, as I do mine. That is why I said 'America' and not 'Americans'.

I also acknowledge that my criticism could be equally levelled at my own country...
 
I don't blame American 'people' I appreciate there is diversity of opinion amongst Americans and acknowledge that many dislike aspects of their country's foreign policy, as I do mine. That is why I said 'America' and not 'Americans'.

I also acknowledge that my criticism could be equally levelled at my own country...

I think is applicable to all countries, and self aware people are certainly conscious of it.
 
Has it ever occurred to you that you may now be walking into a trap?

The odd relationship has already been exposed as spam mail, but it does indicate that Trump was being spied upon which falls foul of some US citizenship rights...

Along with CNN some BBC hack was spreading similar stuff yesterday.

The net is closing in on the bogus men...
 
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/06/how-not-to-fix-the-liberal-world-order/

[M]Anton’s main goal is to defend the president who subsequently appointed him and his main target is the coalition of liberal internationalists and neoconservatives who questioned Trump’s fitness for office during the 2016 campaign and have continued to criticize him since November. He sees them as part of an inbred foreign policy “priesthood” or “guild” that is defending a liberal international order it can no longer define, explain, or justify. Our entire approach to foreign policy needs to be rethought, in short, and Donald J. Trump is the man to do it.
 
VOICE

How Not to Fix the Liberal World Order

Donald Trump’s in-house foreign policy intellectual doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
BY STEPHEN M. WALT MARCH 6, 2017

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We are all still trying to figure out what the Trump administration’s foreign policy will be, which is why Michael Anton’s “America and the Liberal International Order,” in the inaugural issue of American Affairs, merits some degree of attention. Anton doesn’t have a lot of original or insightful things to say in this piece (about which more below), but since he is now deputy assistant for strategic communications at the National Security Council, one might read his essay in the hope of decoding the administration’s underlying beliefs and anticipating its future course.

One thing is clear: Anton has mastered the template for conservative jeremiads about U.S. foreign policy and grand strategy. First, employ an authoritative but conversational style that suggests these issues are really pretty simple and only a fool or a knave would fail to understand them. Second, keep the analysis at 40,000 feet, avoid nitty-gritty policy details, and employ appealing alliterative concepts, such as Anton’s trinity of “prestige, prosperity, and peace.” Third, leaven the essay with selective historical examples and put in some well-chosen references to classical Greeks, Romans or other long-dead political philosophers to give the piece a shiny intellectual veneer. Lastly, treat your targets with a degree of contempt and suggest they are unpatriotic, incompetent, naive, intellectually lazy, or all of the above.


Anton’s main goal is to defend the president who subsequently appointed him and his main target is the coalition of liberal internationalists and neoconservatives who questioned Trump’s fitness for office during the 2016 campaign and have continued to criticize him since November. He sees them as part of an inbred foreign policy “priesthood” or “guild” that is defending a liberal international order it can no longer define, explain, or justify. Our entire approach to foreign policy needs to be rethought, in short, and Donald J. Trump is the man to do it.

You might think I’d greet this article with loud cheers, given my own misgivings about America’s foreign-policy establishment and my belief that U.S. grand strategy needs to be revised. That is not the case, alas, because with one important exception,


Anton’s fusillade misses its target. Even worse, there’s little evidence he (or Trump) has any idea how to improve the situation.


To begin with, Anton maintains that opposition to Trump is based largely on an unthinking commitment to a U.S.-led “liberal international order.” He concedes that a “few critics” were worried about Trump’s “temperament” but maintains most of the naysayers were motivated by objections to Trump’s policy preferences. I don’t know how he knows what’s inside the critics’ heads, however, and the available evidence suggests that concerns about Trump’s character and temperament were far from trivial. Former GOP national security officials published two “open letters” denouncing Trump during the 2016 campaign: one of them spent three paragraphs detailing Trump’s personal deficiencies as a candidate and the other concluded by calling him “utterly unfitted for the office.” Sounds to me like character and temperament loomed rather large in his opponents’ assessments.


And not without cause, since Trump’s behavior since Election Day confirms that their concerns were justified. We now have a president who reneged on his pledge to release his tax returns, remains unconcerned by his own multiple conflicts of interest, has uttered dozens of easily refutable falsehoods, appointed a number of top officials who have inexplicable difficulties telling the truth under oath, insulted the leaders of close U.S. allies in routine “get-acquainted” phone calls, and presided over an unhinged press conference that will provide YouTube fare for years. One could agree with all of Trump’s policy initiatives and still find his erratic conduct disturbing.

Second, Anton’s attacks on defenders of the liberal international order are uninformed and misleading. He portrays Trump’s critics as clinging to outmoded ideas and institutions in a reflexive and unthinking way, and claims they never define what the liberal order is and “can no longer articulate the original rationale for the policies [they] advocate.” But he hasn’t done his homework: there are in fact a raft of serious books and articles laying out the case for a U.S.-led international order, some of them appearing in prominent policy journals like Foreign Affairs. There are also mounds of think tank reports and official policy documents (like the official “National Security Strategy” reports issued by Clinton, Bush, and Obama) laying out the case for a liberal order in some detail.

To be clear: I happen to think there are lots of problems with these defenses of U.S.-led “liberal hegemony,” both in its scholarly versions and in its more official manifestations. Anton’s article would make a useful contribution if it explained why these views were mistaken and if he had offered some concrete alternatives. But claiming that opposition to Trump is just a reflexive and unthinking defense of an outmoded status quo is both simplistic and unhelpful, because it doesn’t tell us where liberal hegemony went wrong or identify what should be done differently.

Indeed, with one important exception, Anton’s critique of the current liberal order is unconvincing, most notably in his discussion of international trade. Not surprisingly, he echoes Trump’s false but endlessly repeated claim that China (and others) are “stealing American jobs.” This argument was a key part of Trump’s pledge to “make America great again,” but Anton devotes only a single, data-free paragraph to this vital issue. He pokes fun at “phone-book thick” trade agreements, but he never identifies how the existing trading order is flawed or explains how it should be reformed. And as numerous mainstream economists have confirmed, the claim that China or other “bad trade deals” have stolen U.S. jobs is a myth.


Like the president he now serves, Anton doesn’t understand how the global trading order actually works. Trade agreements are long and complicated today because they are no longer primarily concerned with reducing tariffs (which are already quite low). Instead, contemporary trade agreements are mostly about harmonizing labor, regulatory, environmental, and copyright standards across many different societies, precisely for the purpose of creating fairer competition between states. Agreements of this kind are very much in America’s interest, because otherwise U.S. workers would have to compete with foreign industries where labor and environmental standards are much lower than they are in the United States.

Fourth, because Anton wants to portray Trump’s predecessors (and especially Obama) as weak, naive, and irresolute, he ends up relying on one of the hard right’s favorite myths: the idea that other states are prone to bandwagon with strong or threatening powers. The only “evidence” he offers for this dubious assertion is the distinguished foreign-policy expert Osama bin Laden’s claim that “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse.”

This statement might be true at the race track, but how people might respond to different horses tells you precious little about international politics. If states were strongly inclined to jump on the bandwagon, as Anton apparently believes, then Napoleon and Hitler’s initial victories would have attracted more and more states to their side and guaranteed their ultimate triumph. (Needless to say, the opposite is what actually occurred.) Similarly, if bandwagoning were common, the Islamic State’s initial victories would have rallied millions to their banner and led local powers to kowtow before them. Instead, the Islamic State managed to attract only a tiny fraction of the world’s Muslim population (many of whom were marginalized misfits and therefore susceptible to its message), and its emergence quickly provoked the formation of a balancing coalition that is now in the process of defeating them.

Anton’s embrace of the bandwagon myth is especially peculiar because it is at odds with Trump’s stated desire to get U.S. allies to contribute more to their own defense. If you really believe that states will bandwagon, then logically you must also believe that reducing the U.S. role in Europe or Asia would lead our present allies to realign with China or Russia (or whomever they think is the “strong horse”). By contrast, those who believe states tend to balance against threats maintain the United States could reduce its commitments in some areas and let local powers uphold the balance on their own.

In short, Anton’s essay is not a serious guide to how the present liberal order might be updated. This failure is unfortunate, because the case for rethinking America’s global role is manifest and Anton does make one extremely important point. In particular, both he and Trump are correct to question the wisdom of trying to spread democracy into distant areas, and especially in places that are not vital interests and where the preconditions for effective liberal democracy are lacking. Had he confined his critique to this particular feature of recent U.S. foreign policy — a feature that liberal interventionists and neoconservatives have both embraced and defended in the past — he would be on much firmer ground.

Finally, Anton’s essay is long on criticisms of the present order but surprisingly short on practical advice for how to alter it. He believes the current liberal order is outmoded and needs to be reformed, but he neither elaborates an underlying logic to guide this reform, nor offers concrete policy steps that the United States should now undertake. Should NAFTA be revised and if so, how? Should the United States stay in NATO? Should it deploy more military forces in Asia, reduce them, or leave them about the same? Does chasing terrorists around the greater Middle East still make sense, given that we’ve been doing it for more than fifteen years and there seem to be more of them today than there were on 9/11? Does a big military buildup make sense if you’re trying to get others to shoulder more of the burden? And so forth. Anton never answers these (and other) critical issues, leaving us in the dark about what he is really proposing. In that sense, of course, he fits in very well with the rest of Team Trump.
 
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The madness and hyper-focus is strong:



More evidence of the death rattle in the anti-Trump camp, at least amongst transplanted English ladies of the ADHD persuasion and you're more then welcome to them!
 

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