A Futile and Stupid Gesture: The History of the First Trump Presidency & Q-Anon

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QuandoDio said:
Was there any doubt? Sure kooks like Leitmotif Leitmotif , Pauly Chase et al might snigger but even they were aware of his imbecility.

If anything Trump has surpassed my truly dire expectations so far. I imagined he'd be a disaster but he is a pen-wielding catastrophe
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The key to it all is he is so wildly incompetent that it's like a daily comedy show. Everything he has been writing is so poorly thought out and implemented he is actively sabotaging himself while we sit here. It's both sad and glorious at the same time.
 
doghouse said:
The key to it all is he is so wildly incompetent that it's like a daily comedy show. Everything he has been writing is so poorly thought out and implemented he is actively sabotaging himself while we sit here. It's both sad and glorious at the same time.
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Or a more poetic description.

 
you have to wonder at this point if he's just trying to placate the base before he turns to the left? kind of a "look fellas, we tried. this isn't working. your dumb ideas aren't working. time to move on." sort of thing.
 
It isn't that bad. Only 7 countries were banned. Whether it was the logical 7 or not, whatever. It's like the wall. There is an intention to build it but no action yet.

Now if some nation or group was dumb enough to hack and crash Twitter, then we'd see some nuclear launch codes being used or possibly forcible confiscation of some wealth and redistribution elsewhere.
 
Rambo said:
you have to wonder at this point if he's just trying to placate the base before he turns to the left? kind of a "look fellas, we tried. this isn't working. your dumb ideas aren't working. time to move on." sort of thing.
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I dunno, half of the right is already disagreeing with him, so that isn't a good strategy because they are gonna say "I told you so". His base isn't left or right, it's the stupid/scared/ignorant half of the stupid/scared/ignorant vs. normal person divide.
 
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/01/outrage-about-trump-exposes-librul-hypocrisy.html

Outrage About Trump Exposes "Librul" Hypocrisy
The current "librul" outrage about Trump's announced policies is somewhat amusing. Yes, these policies are bad, very bad. Trump is bad. But so was Obama and so is Clinton. Protesting the policies of one while not protesting when the other implemented the same policies is insincere grandstanding.

Wherever you look, those Trump policies are building directly on, or simply repeat Obama policies. The now theatrically outraged people swallowed those without a word of protest.

A Trump order yesterday introduced a temporary ban on visa holders and visa issuing to citizens of seven Middle East countries. These countries are: Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. Those countries have one thing in common. No terrorist who killed on U.S. soil originated from them. The (few) terrorists who attacked within the U.S. came from the Middle Eastern countries not on the list. Following Trump's order, outcries on social media and in various papers ensued. People went to airports to protest. TV was there to spread the news.

But it is nothing new that the citizens of those countries are targeted with U.S. visa restrictions. It was Obama who introduced such in 2015 and 2016. The Trump order links directly to them. It does not name any country but refers to them as "countries designated in Division O, Title II, Section 203 of the 2016 consolidated appropriations act."

U.S animosities against these countries is even older. According to the former general Clark, plans were made to wage war against six of the now named seven countries back in 2001. Yemen was later added while Lebanon was (temporarily?) taken off the list. The administrations change, the selected "enemies" stay the same.

In 2011 Obama stopped processing Iraqi visa requests for six month. That move was quite similar to Trump's current one. Where was the outcry in 2001? In 2011, 2015 and 2016? Is it only bad when Trump restricts visits for certain people from certain countries?

Sure, Trump introduces his "outrageous" measures loud and abruptly where Obama sneaked them in. But that is just different marketing, not a different product.

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It is the coin that is bad, not just one side of it.

White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts. HOW OUTRAGEOUS! How can Trump even think of such an invasion of privacy! Fake outrage - Obama had already signed off on this. The plans to collect social media accounts of traveling visitors and citizens were officially introduced in October 2016 and the implementation started in December 2016. The Trump White House is late in discussing the issue.

Yesterday Trump also issued a memorandum to structure his National Security Council. It says that the Director of National Intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Staff "shall attend" when it is pertinent to the issue in question. "Librul" outrage ensues. Trump excludes the DNI and CJCOS from the NSC! Obama's first Defense Secretary calls it a "huge mistake"! But a comparison of the text Trump issued with the text Obama issued when he came into office shows them to be mostly similar. Nothing really relevant has changed. The "shall attend" clause is exactly the same.

Yesterday people were protesting at airports against Trump's temporary immigration restrictions. Lots of outrage against Trump ensued on social media over this and the other issues. The hypocrisy here stinks to high heaven. Where were the protest when Obama did similar?

Where are the protests demanding the repeal of the Patriot Act? Where are the anti-war protests? These died as soon as Obama came into office. They never came back even as Obama pursued polices that were, at best, Republican light and far from any progressive ideal. Only fake liberals, aka "libruls", could agree with these. When Dick Cheney is your witness against Trump you have lost the plot.

Many of the people coming out now against Trump would likely have jubilated had Hilliary Clinton won the election and introduced the exactly same policies. Protest against the system that is incorporated in Trump, just as it is incorporated in Clinton, does not come to their mind. Do they expect to be taken serious?

There was no outrage today from any of the U.S. "libruls" and their media outlets about last nights failed U.S. military raid in Yemen. The rural home of a tribal leader's family, friendly with some Yemeni al-Qaeda members, was raided by a special operations commando. A U.S. tiltrotor military aircraft was shot down during the raid. One soldier was killed and several were wounded. The U.S. commandos responded with their usual panic. They killed anyone in sight and bombed the shit out of any nearby structure. According to Yemeni sources between 30 and 57 Yemenis were killed including eight women and eight children (graphic pics). The U.S. military claimed, as it always does, that no civilians were hurt in the raid.

One of the killed kids was the 8 year old daughter of al-Qaeda propagandist Anwar al-Awlaki. (The targeted family is related to al-Awlaki's wife.) The girl was a U.S. citizen. Under Obama the CIA had already assassinated her father and her 16 year old brother. With Obama's active help the Gulf countries have been bombing and destroying Ýemen for nearly two years. No U.S. demonstrations were held against this war.

Yemeni sources say that at least two men were abducted by the U.S. military. The Central Command press release only said that the raid had helped to acquire "intelligence" about possible future terror acts. That probably means that the prisoners will be tortured to unveil such "intelligence" even as they may not have any. The Obama administration had introduced new rules for the military on how to handle detainees. The UN judged that the application of some of these rules is torture. The "libruls" will of course be outraged should any of those rules, which Obama introduced, be used under a Trump administration.

The hypocritical outrage against Trump for things Obama already did is exactly what Trump wants and needs. He keeps chasing the media and the Clintonistas around the block. The impression he leaves, not only with his followers, is that of a man who works a lot. 25 outrages out of 25 headlines in just one week? "Impressive! That is way more than Obama achieved!"

Trump already filed for reelection. Who really wants to beat him will have to attack him on fundamental issues. That is a problem for the "libruls". Obama and Clinton stand for the same terrible policies Trump is pushing for. They are not as loud as Trump and paint their aims in softer colors. But the difference is only one of degree.

The U.S., like many other "western" countries, needs fundamentally different policies and politicians to become a more just and social society. The current "librul" outcries take energy away from achieving such.

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Lord Buckley said:
There was some serious triggered co-workers this morning
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Local talk radio station brags how hard-hitting and they are not for the faint of heart, and every single host sounded like a triggered SJW grandstanding snowflake.
 
This is not the first time the US has closed the borders: Carter did it to Iranians, Obama did it to Iraqis and before WWII jewish refugees were turned away. So there is a precedent and with what has been going in Europe, it strikes me as eminently sensible, to take extra precautions. Yes, your vetting is much more intense then Europe's, but is it enough? A reasonable question after Obama.

Many of the cluster fucks in recent times, which dwarf Trump's executive orders over the weekend, have been buried in sycophantic journalese and then forgotten about. The destruction of Libya and the supporting of jihadists in Syria. And the BBC went so far as to fake news reports on chemical attacks in an attempt to bring on direct war againt Assad. The Guardian in the UK was even shilling for war with Russia over the Ukraine. These people must be stopped.

I read those WSJ and New York Times articles and I thought they too fall into the BS propaganda they still think we have stomach for. The men having to marry their young daughters off because of Trump. No they are doing that because that's what their culture does and permits all on their own. And yes, if they can get a job in a refugee camp, maybe their sons are working too. But I can't buy it's Trump's fault.

I also cannot understand this feigned anger by the Brits. As a British citizen they will find it very difficult if not impossible to qualify for a Green Card. So why are they getting angry about Syrians, when they have very little rights and opportunities to go and live in the US themselves? Good enough for the Brits, but not for those countries harbouring and supporting terrorism.

No, once again we see the MSM agitating over a very reasonable decree that aims to not repeat the utter shambles and security breakdown Merkel and her ilk have delivered to Europe.
 
This really is gonna be a comedy gold mine. Maybe even SNL will be funny again.





I'm crying here.
 
DT had a busy day on the phone on Saturday, although it wasn't covered much in Western MSM.
He spoke with the Japanese and the Australian PM and finally to Putin as well.
Little is known about the Putin talk, but what is known is that it was mostly about defeating Isis/ Isil.
And since that group is operating mostly in Libya, Syria and Iraq it actually makes sense to bar "refugees" from those countries. Why not Saudi Arabia and others? Well, I'm sure that US security agencies already have a naughty list for people from those countries.
He is a bit late to the party, though, as there have been reports that a lot of ISIS and other terrorist group's members have made it into Europe when Merkel deliberately opened the borders.
oh, before I forget, Merkel spoke to trump as well. According to German MSM she stood up to him, demanding that he upholds Western values (whatever those are), while in real life he made her commit to pay for US protection and spend more on NATO.
For the past years, Merkel was portrayed as the most powerful woman in the world, she was against Putin, she was against Trump, but with Trump in power and most likely fixing the US- Russia relationship, she's now on the loosing side.
Her friends in the German MSM won't be able to uphold her image of world leader for much longer.
In the background, new players are brought into position to take her role.
Like Martin Schulz, ex president of EU parliament and now candidate for his Social Democrat party in the upcoming election.
A good choice, especially for the Jewish community and Israel. Quote Schulz (who is Jewish, BTW):

Martin Schulz:

“For me, the new Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the State of Israel and the Jewish people.”
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I expect only great things from him.
 
Brilliant! Move @&*#$! Get out the way.
 
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Hillary's eyes are probably rolling around like one of those cat-clocks after tonight.
 
doghouse said:
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...as-a-moroccan-muslim-hes-a-white-nationalist/
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But one asks the question as to the false narrative at the beginning? Was this an attempt to rattle the cages of the Right, before revealing the white nationalist who we now know according the Canadian PM was an admirer of Trump and Le Pen. What is he now going to do, invade the USA to oust Trump?

What we are now witnessing is the beginning of the attempted coup d'état by media.

This will make you chuckle, those in the UK and Europe will recognize that Americans and particularly the American presidents wear their ties longer than their cousins in Europe, but to The Guardian, it is a worrying sign that Trump has a small penis:

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/jan/30/tie-length-a-worrying-guide-to-trumps-state-of-mind

This is also a good example of real fake news.
 
doghouse said:
Everything he has been writing is so poorly thought out and implemented he is actively sabotaging himself while we sit here.
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doghouse said:
His base isn't left or right, it's the stupid/scared/ignorant half of the stupid/scared/ignorant vs. normal person divide.
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Trump may be doing things that an educated, middle- or upper-middle-class person may find wildly disturbing.

However, he's playing to his base. He is (perhaps rather unusually for a politician) doing what he said he would do. Those things may seem crazy, irrational or even stupid, but his many supporters will, for the time being at least, be pleased as they will see him as someone who does what they said they would do, and as a man of action.
 
Journeyman said:
Trump may be doing things that an educated, middle- or upper-middle-class person may find wildly disturbing.

However, he's playing to his base. He is (perhaps rather unusually for a politician) doing what he said he would do. Those things may seem crazy, irrational or even stupid, but his many supporters will, for the time being at least, be pleased as they will see him as someone who does what they said they would do, and as a man of action.
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You just said the same thing I did.
 
It does appear on the face of a number of polls being reported in the MSM that 57% or indeed 66% of the American public are in favour of this moderate temporary ban from these countries. This was no Muslim ban as was expected and it also beats bombing these countries as Obama was doing.

Looking at my world risk map for the intrepid business traveller and investor, why anyone would be just itching and popping to reinvigorate their society from extreme risk hot spots like the Sudan and Somalia is beyond me. What benefits is letting possible ex-members of the janjaweed into your nation going to deliver? Why would any sane, educated, middle or upper middle class person find this "wildly disturbing"? Are we saying that this class of people are so cossetted and protected from the harsh reality of most of the world that they cannot see the risk because they haven't experienced life at the pointy-end as the working class has? A damning Gibbonesque position on America's middle classes.

It strikes me that Trump must now hold the line and he may be playing a blinder to get the media led coup d'etat to play all their hand at once with nothing in reserve. The Twitterati and virtue signallers will run out of steam shortly and once again reveal how far they have drifted from main street America and sound common sense. The alternative is that America does a Merkel and declares the USA's borders open to every terrorist around the globe and that will send a clear message that as well as decadent Europe, the USA is there for the taking.

He must continue to hold the line against this conspiracy of outrage.
 
What is with all these protests? This circus is just going to motivate him more. Don't people understand that? I don't know why hundreds of people in my hometown had time out of a work day to go protest at the US consulate (again). None of them are US citizens so what's the point of torpedoing your own nation's productivity?

This is all a scripted game plan so there's no point getting in front of a runaway train. Six months from now when the December playbook is empty, then people can judge what to do, protest or cope. At the rate these protesters are going they'll be tired by the mid term elections.

Eight years ago, some youngish idealistic man was crowing about closing Guantanamo Bay and carrying that as a banner. What happened to that? The world isn't going to hell in a hand basket in a week. It won't be saved in a week either.
 
Lord Buckley said:
decadent Europe.
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What in the actual fuck is up with everyone being against decadence? It's literally the greatest thing ever.

We have a bunch of right wing Lenin's who also happen to be scared of Mooslims running around these days. Depressing.
 
doghouse said:
What in the actual fuck is up with everyone being against decadence? It's literally the greatest thing ever.
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I am all for it, but if you can't defend it against those who think it really is decadent, then you may have a problem.

This is a good piece in The Spectator by Brendan O'Neill, how previous administrations and politicians are attempting to frame Trump in a manner to eliminate their own past misdeeds. The part about Madeliene Albright is particularly revealing:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/anti-trump-hysteria-lets-others-whitewash-crimes/
 
Fwiffo said:
What is with all these protests? This circus is just going to motivate him more. Don't people understand that? I don't know why hundreds of people in my hometown had time out of a work day to go protest at the US consulate (again). None of them are US citizens so what's the point of torpedoing your own nation's productivity?

This is all a scripted game plan so there's no point getting in front of a runaway train. Six months from now when the December playbook is empty, then people can judge what to do, protest or cope. At the rate these protesters are going they'll be tired by the mid term elections.

Eight years ago, some youngish idealistic man was crowing about closing Guantanamo Bay and carrying that as a banner. What happened to that? The world isn't going to hell in a hand basket in a week. It won't be saved in a week either.
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This is so rich, I love hearing these twits moan and complain.
 
I don't I'm fed up with triggered employees and visitors getting all emotional over the poor, huddled war criminals in the Sudan who can't get into the USA. It's like mass hysteria.
 
Lord Buckley said:
I don't I'm fed up with triggered employees and visitors getting all emotional over the poor, huddled war criminals in the Sudan who can't get into the USA. It's like mass hysteria.
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Man, what a pain, dealing with people who have a little bit of humanity and feel for all the souls who lives have been ripped apart by dickish warlords. The nerve of them.


Meanwhile, the comedy train rolls on. This nugget particularly appropriate for a forum of clothing enthusiasts.

 
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