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read this comment on nakedcapitalism today:
A Futile and Stupid Gesture: The History of the First Trump Presidency & Q-Anon
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For someone who has written paragraphs on cultural difference - or rather a series of loosely strung-together sentences that barely follow, which is not to say clearly express, a single thought - the level of the author's knowledge of "cultural difference" and its signs (or expressions) borders on absolute ignorance. To begin with, there are no burkas in Saudi Arabia, and it is the cities of Mecca and Medina that the non-Muslims are barred from entering. More pertinently, Saudi Arabia and the UAE - among others - are NOT included in this ban, because, of all countries in the region, it is these reprehensible theocracies that are our political, military, and economic allies. What a remarkable Judeo-Christian bulwark we are, indeed, against the forces of globalism!
Most importantly, here as elsewhere, this supposedly shared set of values that go by the name "Judeo-Christian" remains completely undefined. Incidentally, it is always white nationalists who invoke it. You know, the same kind of people who pull an "all lives matter" on Holocaust Remembrance Day!
Most importantly, here as elsewhere, this supposedly shared set of values that go by the name "Judeo-Christian" remains completely undefined. Incidentally, it is always white nationalists who invoke it. You know, the same kind of people who pull an "all lives matter" on Holocaust Remembrance Day!
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The Canadian Option
Posted January 29th, 2017 @ 1:38pm in #immigration canada
My most agitated liberal friend sent me a link today about Justin Trudeau announcing Canada would take all of the Trump-banned immigrants because diversity is their strength. My friend said that was an example of real leadership.
His conclusion is debatable, but didn’t Canada just solve all of Trump’s problems? If humane treatment of immigrants is the goal, Canada is the right place. They have polite behavior, free healthcare, and lots of space. That’s a win-win-win.
Or am I missing something?
Canada also gives us a test case to compare to America’s plan. In five years we can check back and see how it turned out for them. If it worked, we can reassess. Until then we obviously need to wall-off Canada. But that’s another topic.
Now that I think about it, the Middle East has a lot of space too. Remind me again why Muslim countries are banning Muslim immigrants. Is it because they are Hitler?
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Trump Lets Saudis Off His ‘Muslim Ban’
January 29, 2017
Exclusive: By leaving Saudi Arabia and other key terrorism sponsors off his “Muslim ban,” President Trump shows the same cowardice and dishonesty that infected the Bush and Obama administrations, writes Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
President Trump’s ban against letting people from seven mostly Muslim countries enter the United States looks to many like a thinly concealed bias against a religion, but it also is a troubling sign that Trump doesn’t have the nerve to challenge the false terrorism narrative demanded by Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The Israeli-Saudi narrative, which is repeated endlessly inside Official Washington, is that Iran is the principal sponsor of terrorism when that dubious honor clearly falls to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Sunni-led Muslim states, including Pakistan, nations that did not make Trump’s list.
The evidence of who is funding and supporting most of the world’s terrorism is overwhelming. All major terrorist groups that have bedeviled the United States and the West over the past couple of decades – from Al Qaeda to the Taliban to Islamic State – can trace their roots back to Sunni-led countries, particularly Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Qatar.
Privately, this reality has been recognized by senior U.S. officials, including former Vice President Joe Biden, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Trump’s National Security Advisor Michael Flynn. But that knowledge has failed to change U.S. policy, which caters to the oil-rich Saudis and the politically powerful Israelis.
For instance, in August 2012, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency – then headed by General Flynn – warned that Salafists, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Al Qaeda were “the major forces driving the insurgency” against the largely secular government in Syria.
Flynn’s DIA advised President Obama that rebels were trying to establish a “Salafist principality in eastern Syria,” and that “western countries, the gulf states, and Turkey are supporting these efforts” to counter the supposed Shiite threat to the region.
Hillary Clinton also was aware of this reality, as the threat from the head-chopping Islamic State – also known as ISIL or ISIS – grew worse in summer 2014. In September 2014, the former Secretary of State wrote in an email that Saudi Arabia and Qatar were “providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups.”
Later in 2014, Vice President Joe Biden made the same point in a talk at Harvard’s Kennedy School: “Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria … the Saudis, the emirates, etc. what were they doing? They were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war, what did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of military weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad, except the people who were being supplied were Al Nusra and Al Qaeda and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world.” [Quote starts at 53:25.]
Known But Unknown
So the truth was known at senior levels of the Obama administration – and now via National Security Advisor Flynn at the top of the Trump administration – but the Israelis and the Saudis don’t want that reality to shape U.S. foreign policy. In other words, this truth about the real source of terrorism was known but unknown.
Instead, Israel demands that Washington share its hatred of the Lebanese militant group, Hezbollah, a Shiite force that organized in the 1980s to drive the invading Israeli army out of southern Lebanon. Because Hezbollah dealt a rare defeat to the Israeli Defense Force, Israel puts it at the top of “terrorist” organizations. And, Hezbollah is supported by Iran.
Saudi Arabia, too, hates Iran because the Sunni-fundamentalist Saudi monarchy considers Shia Islam heretical, a sectarian conflict that dates back to the Seventh Century. So, the Saudi government has viewed Sunni jihadists as the tip of the spear against these Shiite rivals.
Israeli and Saudi officials have even made clear that they would prefer Al Qaeda or Islamic State to prevail in the Syrian war rather than have the largely secular government of President Bashar al-Assad survive because they see his regime as part of a “Shiite crescent” reaching from Tehran through Damascus to the Hezbollah neighborhoods of Beirut.
In September 2013, Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren, a close adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, told the Jerusalem Post that Israel favored the Sunni extremists over Assad.
“The greatest danger to Israel is by the strategic arc that extends from Tehran, to Damascus to Beirut. And we saw the Assad regime as the keystone in that arc,” Oren said in the interview. “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.” He said this was the case even if the “bad guys” were affiliated with Al Qaeda.
And, in June 2014, speaking as a former ambassador at an Aspen Institute conference, Oren expanded on his position, saying Israel would even prefer a victory by the brutal Islamic State over continuation of the Iranian-backed Assad in Syria. “From Israel’s perspective, if there’s got to be an evil that’s got to prevail, let the Sunni evil prevail,” Oren said.
[For more on this topic, see Consortiumnews.com’s “Israel, Saudi Arabia and Terrorism.”]
The West’s Worries
However, when Americans and Europeans worry about terrorism, they are talking about Al Qaeda and Islamic State, terror groups led by Sunni extremists. Those are the groups that have been responsible for bloody attacks on the United States and Western Europe.
The absurdity of Trump’s immigration ban is underscored by the fact that it would not have kept out the 15 Saudi hijackers dispatched by Al Qaeda to carry out the 9/11 attacks. They came from the home country of Al Qaeda’s Saudi founder Osama bin Laden.
Neither would Trump’s ban have stopped Muhamed Atta, one of the 9/11 ringleaders who was from Egypt, another country ignored by Trump, which also happens to be the original home of Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda’s current leader.
So, what Trump’s initial foray into the complex issue of terrorism has revealed is that he is unwilling to take on the real nexus of terrorism, just as Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama shied away from a clash with Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf sheikdoms.
In the first week of Donald Trump’s presidency, the regional interests of Israel and Saudi Arabia have continued to dictate how Official Washington addresses terrorism.
Trump’s seven-nation list includes Iran, Syria and Sudan as state sponsors of terrorism and Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and Libya as countries where there has been terrorist activity. But the governments of Iran and Syria arguably have become two of the leading fighters against the terrorist groups of most concern to the U.S. and European populations.
Iran is aiding both Syria and Iraq in their conflicts with Al Qaeda and Islamic State. Inside Syria, the Syrian army has borne the brunt of that fighting against terror groups funded and armed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and – yes – at least indirectly, the United States. Yet while none of the Al Qaeda/Islamic State benefactors made Trump’s list, Iran and Syria did.
In other words, not only is Trump’s ban a blunderbuss blast at thousands of innocent Muslims who have no intention of hurting the United States but it doesn’t even take aim at the most dangerous targets which represent a genuine terrorist threat.
Trump’s ban is really a twisted case of “political correctness” purporting to reject “political correctness.” While Trump claims to recognize that it is dangerously naïve to let in Muslims when Islamic terrorism has remained a threat to Americans, Trump has left off his list the most likely sources of terrorists because – to do otherwise – would have negative political consequences in Official Washington.
By going after Iran and Syria, in particular, Trump appears to be currying favor with neoconservatives and liberal hawks in Congress and across Official Washington. Perhaps, he is simply hesitating while the Senate considers confirmation of his choice for Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson. The Senate also could reject other of his foreign policy nominees.
But that is exactly the kind of compromising that undermined any attempts by President Obama to engineer a real change from the “war of terror” strategy of George W. Bush. Obama was so afraid of going against the Israelis and the Saudis that he only altered U.S. policy on the margins and let himself get dragged into Israeli-Saudi-favored “regime change” adventures in Syria and Yemen.
Dashed or Delayed Hopes
When Trump rebuffed the neocons and liberal hawks who dominate Official Washington’s foreign establishment, there was hope that he might at least try to hold Saudi Arabia accountable as the chief sponsor of terrorism, rather than to continue the Israeli-Saudi-imposed narrative.
But to do so carried political risks beyond offending the politically potent Israelis who have forged a quiet alliance with the wealthy Saudis. Trump would also have to recognize the important role of Republican icon Ronald Reagan in creating the terrorist threat.
After all, the origins of the modern jihadist movement trace back to the $1 billion-a-year collaboration between the Reagan administration and the Saudi monarchy to support the Afghan mujahedeen in their war against a secular government in Kabul backed by the Soviet Union.
The extravagant arming of these Afghan fundamentalists, who were bolstered by international jihadists led by Osama bin Laden, dealt a harsh blow to the Soviet forces and ultimately led to the collapse of the secular regime, but the victory also paved the way for the rise of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, blowback that hit the United States on 9/11.
The U.S. reaction to that shock never directly addressed how the problem had originated and who the underlying culprits were. Though George W. Bush’s administration did begin by invading Afghanistan, the neoconservatives around him quickly turned the U.S. retaliation against longstanding Israeli targets, such as Iraq’s Saddam Hussein and Syria’s Assad dynasty though they had nothing to do with 9/11.
The fiction that these largely secular governments were responsible for Islamic terrorism — and the mislabeling of Shia-ruled Iran as the chief sponsor of such terrorism — have remained the myths confusing the American people and thus justifying continued U.S. support for the Israeli-Saudi war against the “Shiite crescent.”
Trump, who is heavily criticized for his inability to distinguish fact from fantasy, could have displayed a brave commitment to truth-telling if he had fashioned his counter-terrorism policy to actually address the real sponsors of terrorism. Instead, he chose to continue the lies that the Israelis and Saudis insist that Official Washington tell.
In doing so, Trump is not only offending much of the world and alienating countries that are at the forefront of the fight against the worst terrorist threats, but he is continuing to shield the key regimes that have perpetuated the scourge of terrorism.
January 29, 2017
Exclusive: By leaving Saudi Arabia and other key terrorism sponsors off his “Muslim ban,” President Trump shows the same cowardice and dishonesty that infected the Bush and Obama administrations, writes Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
President Trump’s ban against letting people from seven mostly Muslim countries enter the United States looks to many like a thinly concealed bias against a religion, but it also is a troubling sign that Trump doesn’t have the nerve to challenge the false terrorism narrative demanded by Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The Israeli-Saudi narrative, which is repeated endlessly inside Official Washington, is that Iran is the principal sponsor of terrorism when that dubious honor clearly falls to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Sunni-led Muslim states, including Pakistan, nations that did not make Trump’s list.
The evidence of who is funding and supporting most of the world’s terrorism is overwhelming. All major terrorist groups that have bedeviled the United States and the West over the past couple of decades – from Al Qaeda to the Taliban to Islamic State – can trace their roots back to Sunni-led countries, particularly Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Qatar.
Privately, this reality has been recognized by senior U.S. officials, including former Vice President Joe Biden, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Trump’s National Security Advisor Michael Flynn. But that knowledge has failed to change U.S. policy, which caters to the oil-rich Saudis and the politically powerful Israelis.
For instance, in August 2012, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency – then headed by General Flynn – warned that Salafists, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Al Qaeda were “the major forces driving the insurgency” against the largely secular government in Syria.
Flynn’s DIA advised President Obama that rebels were trying to establish a “Salafist principality in eastern Syria,” and that “western countries, the gulf states, and Turkey are supporting these efforts” to counter the supposed Shiite threat to the region.
Hillary Clinton also was aware of this reality, as the threat from the head-chopping Islamic State – also known as ISIL or ISIS – grew worse in summer 2014. In September 2014, the former Secretary of State wrote in an email that Saudi Arabia and Qatar were “providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups.”
Later in 2014, Vice President Joe Biden made the same point in a talk at Harvard’s Kennedy School: “Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria … the Saudis, the emirates, etc. what were they doing? They were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war, what did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of military weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad, except the people who were being supplied were Al Nusra and Al Qaeda and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world.” [Quote starts at 53:25.]
Known But Unknown
So the truth was known at senior levels of the Obama administration – and now via National Security Advisor Flynn at the top of the Trump administration – but the Israelis and the Saudis don’t want that reality to shape U.S. foreign policy. In other words, this truth about the real source of terrorism was known but unknown.
Instead, Israel demands that Washington share its hatred of the Lebanese militant group, Hezbollah, a Shiite force that organized in the 1980s to drive the invading Israeli army out of southern Lebanon. Because Hezbollah dealt a rare defeat to the Israeli Defense Force, Israel puts it at the top of “terrorist” organizations. And, Hezbollah is supported by Iran.
Saudi Arabia, too, hates Iran because the Sunni-fundamentalist Saudi monarchy considers Shia Islam heretical, a sectarian conflict that dates back to the Seventh Century. So, the Saudi government has viewed Sunni jihadists as the tip of the spear against these Shiite rivals.
Israeli and Saudi officials have even made clear that they would prefer Al Qaeda or Islamic State to prevail in the Syrian war rather than have the largely secular government of President Bashar al-Assad survive because they see his regime as part of a “Shiite crescent” reaching from Tehran through Damascus to the Hezbollah neighborhoods of Beirut.
In September 2013, Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren, a close adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, told the Jerusalem Post that Israel favored the Sunni extremists over Assad.
“The greatest danger to Israel is by the strategic arc that extends from Tehran, to Damascus to Beirut. And we saw the Assad regime as the keystone in that arc,” Oren said in the interview. “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.” He said this was the case even if the “bad guys” were affiliated with Al Qaeda.
And, in June 2014, speaking as a former ambassador at an Aspen Institute conference, Oren expanded on his position, saying Israel would even prefer a victory by the brutal Islamic State over continuation of the Iranian-backed Assad in Syria. “From Israel’s perspective, if there’s got to be an evil that’s got to prevail, let the Sunni evil prevail,” Oren said.
[For more on this topic, see Consortiumnews.com’s “Israel, Saudi Arabia and Terrorism.”]
The West’s Worries
However, when Americans and Europeans worry about terrorism, they are talking about Al Qaeda and Islamic State, terror groups led by Sunni extremists. Those are the groups that have been responsible for bloody attacks on the United States and Western Europe.
The absurdity of Trump’s immigration ban is underscored by the fact that it would not have kept out the 15 Saudi hijackers dispatched by Al Qaeda to carry out the 9/11 attacks. They came from the home country of Al Qaeda’s Saudi founder Osama bin Laden.
Neither would Trump’s ban have stopped Muhamed Atta, one of the 9/11 ringleaders who was from Egypt, another country ignored by Trump, which also happens to be the original home of Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda’s current leader.
So, what Trump’s initial foray into the complex issue of terrorism has revealed is that he is unwilling to take on the real nexus of terrorism, just as Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama shied away from a clash with Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf sheikdoms.
In the first week of Donald Trump’s presidency, the regional interests of Israel and Saudi Arabia have continued to dictate how Official Washington addresses terrorism.
Trump’s seven-nation list includes Iran, Syria and Sudan as state sponsors of terrorism and Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and Libya as countries where there has been terrorist activity. But the governments of Iran and Syria arguably have become two of the leading fighters against the terrorist groups of most concern to the U.S. and European populations.
Iran is aiding both Syria and Iraq in their conflicts with Al Qaeda and Islamic State. Inside Syria, the Syrian army has borne the brunt of that fighting against terror groups funded and armed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and – yes – at least indirectly, the United States. Yet while none of the Al Qaeda/Islamic State benefactors made Trump’s list, Iran and Syria did.
In other words, not only is Trump’s ban a blunderbuss blast at thousands of innocent Muslims who have no intention of hurting the United States but it doesn’t even take aim at the most dangerous targets which represent a genuine terrorist threat.
Trump’s ban is really a twisted case of “political correctness” purporting to reject “political correctness.” While Trump claims to recognize that it is dangerously naïve to let in Muslims when Islamic terrorism has remained a threat to Americans, Trump has left off his list the most likely sources of terrorists because – to do otherwise – would have negative political consequences in Official Washington.
By going after Iran and Syria, in particular, Trump appears to be currying favor with neoconservatives and liberal hawks in Congress and across Official Washington. Perhaps, he is simply hesitating while the Senate considers confirmation of his choice for Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson. The Senate also could reject other of his foreign policy nominees.
But that is exactly the kind of compromising that undermined any attempts by President Obama to engineer a real change from the “war of terror” strategy of George W. Bush. Obama was so afraid of going against the Israelis and the Saudis that he only altered U.S. policy on the margins and let himself get dragged into Israeli-Saudi-favored “regime change” adventures in Syria and Yemen.
Dashed or Delayed Hopes
When Trump rebuffed the neocons and liberal hawks who dominate Official Washington’s foreign establishment, there was hope that he might at least try to hold Saudi Arabia accountable as the chief sponsor of terrorism, rather than to continue the Israeli-Saudi-imposed narrative.
But to do so carried political risks beyond offending the politically potent Israelis who have forged a quiet alliance with the wealthy Saudis. Trump would also have to recognize the important role of Republican icon Ronald Reagan in creating the terrorist threat.
After all, the origins of the modern jihadist movement trace back to the $1 billion-a-year collaboration between the Reagan administration and the Saudi monarchy to support the Afghan mujahedeen in their war against a secular government in Kabul backed by the Soviet Union.
The extravagant arming of these Afghan fundamentalists, who were bolstered by international jihadists led by Osama bin Laden, dealt a harsh blow to the Soviet forces and ultimately led to the collapse of the secular regime, but the victory also paved the way for the rise of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, blowback that hit the United States on 9/11.
The U.S. reaction to that shock never directly addressed how the problem had originated and who the underlying culprits were. Though George W. Bush’s administration did begin by invading Afghanistan, the neoconservatives around him quickly turned the U.S. retaliation against longstanding Israeli targets, such as Iraq’s Saddam Hussein and Syria’s Assad dynasty though they had nothing to do with 9/11.
The fiction that these largely secular governments were responsible for Islamic terrorism — and the mislabeling of Shia-ruled Iran as the chief sponsor of such terrorism — have remained the myths confusing the American people and thus justifying continued U.S. support for the Israeli-Saudi war against the “Shiite crescent.”
Trump, who is heavily criticized for his inability to distinguish fact from fantasy, could have displayed a brave commitment to truth-telling if he had fashioned his counter-terrorism policy to actually address the real sponsors of terrorism. Instead, he chose to continue the lies that the Israelis and Saudis insist that Official Washington tell.
In doing so, Trump is not only offending much of the world and alienating countries that are at the forefront of the fight against the worst terrorist threats, but he is continuing to shield the key regimes that have perpetuated the scourge of terrorism.
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Trump needs to go after the Saudis and these other places that breed extremists. The infowar fans that voted for Trump know this and better not turn a blind eye to it.
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"For years, the bulk of the refugees from Syria have been settled in the surrounding states. At the end of 2015, Turkey hosts more than 2.2 million Syrian refugees, Lebanon hosts roughly 1.2 million, Jordan hosts more than 630,000."
(source: http://www.opensourceinvestigations...nse-to-syrian-refugee-crisis-a-myth-debunked/)
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The article is barely an article.
There is no excuse for ignorance.
There are burkas in Saudi but usually worn by non-Saudi women who have emigrated to the kingdom
Abayas & hijabs are the mandated public clothing for women in the Kingdom. Niqabs (head covering with eye slots) are seen.
International Holocaust day is to remember the victims of the holocaust, the vast majority being Jewish. Undeniable.
UN resolution 60/7 states in part:
Reaffirming that the Holocaust, which resulted in the murder of one third of the Jewish people, along with countless members of other minorities, will forever be a warning to all people of the dangers of hatred, bigotry, racism and prejudice,
1. Resolves that the United Nations will designate 27 January as an annual International Day of Commemoration in memory of the victims of the Holocaust;
From Yad Vashem's mission statement:
What will be the fate of Holocaust commemoration among members of the fourth generation, both Jewish and non-Jewish? What place will it occupy in the midst of the currents that are sweeping us along towards the onset of the third millenium? Will remembrance be meaningful in the context of contemporary events? How should we prepare ourselves at this historic juncture?
So the "all lives matter" approach taken could be seen poor interpretation of various policy statements, which is so common in politically correct society - again, incredibly short-sighted in this case- or an indication that Trump is an anti-Semite (as so many people hope he is on both sides)
But Bibi & the Donald have a bromance going on so that tempers the Anti-Semite angle, no?
The values? Certainly built on Judeo-Christian but it is a straw man arguement to keep referencing that when it comes to Muslims and the law. Our laws have been institutionalized and secularized and applied to all.
Not sure what other religious groups are demanding a parallel legal system built on religious tenets except for proponents of Sharia.
Muslim travel ban? Dumbass.
In short, as an academic I expect better of you in terms of research & exposition.
Shoot for top top desktop research & political discourse/intercourse even if we are all a bunch of racists and anti-Semites
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You are getting very annoying with the whole bullshit of everybody hates the jews. White nationalism bullshit and so forth. Go be a snowflake somewhere else.
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Rambo, where are you getting all of your articles from? It's good you're posting them here, because one needs to be aware of all differing options, but I suggest you diversify your sources a little.
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Yes, most frequent posters in this forum are racists and anti-Semites. But again the more important point remains that they also lack basic skills of reading comprehension. Or, as their leader endearingly puts it, they are poorly educated. I am not going to waste my time by applying research level standards to my posts here.
At any rate, there is not much to see here at any rate, except for
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's TOP TOP™ deep analice of the #menswear insta-scene. Please feel free to ban me and delete my account, if my posts do not match your specifications. Until then I will continue to post as I like. I will certainly not take any directives from the resident anti-Semite
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whose racism is well-documented and does not require any reading between the lines.
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I loled at me being racist, its called trolling. And i have stopped because the management told me to do so. So
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if you want to talk about jewish anti sentiment its alright, but stop predicating that everybody is a jew hater just because they dont agree wih you. Did you complain to Obama and called him a jew hater back in 2011? Also Obama perhaps was the worst ally that Israel ever had and I still dont get it what is it that we owe to the state of Israel so much? I have never understoos why do we need to bend over to them when they need. Back in Vietnam era US soldiers barely had ammo ans if i recall correctly during yom kippkur war they went through their ammunition and requested more and it was send to them even though our own soldiers were having problems. Same thing in 2006. And what have we got besides grief? And when i say grief im talking about the uss Liberty or when we requested information on Syria's AA emplacement we didnt get any of it either, even though a year before they bombed the shit out of Syria. But the moment Israel needs something we need to move everything for them. So please do tell. Or would that make us little hitlers to your eyes?
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if you want to talk about jewish anti sentiment its alright, but stop predicating that everybody is a jew hater just because they dont agree wih you. Did you complain to Obama and called him a jew hater back in 2011? Also Obama perhaps was the worst ally that Israel ever had and I still dont get it what is it that we owe to the state of Israel so much? I have never understoos why do we need to bend over to them when they need. Back in Vietnam era US soldiers barely had ammo ans if i recall correctly during yom kippkur war they went through their ammunition and requested more and it was send to them even though our own soldiers were having problems. Same thing in 2006. And what have we got besides grief? And when i say grief im talking about the uss Liberty or when we requested information on Syria's AA emplacement we didnt get any of it either, even though a year before they bombed the shit out of Syria. But the moment Israel needs something we need to move everything for them. So please do tell. Or would that make us little hitlers to your eyes?
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I agree. In terms of foreign policy, the US should look out first and foremost for its own interests. And those interests don't always align with Israel. And being pro-Israel doesn't absolve anyone from anti-Semitism. Christians fundamentalists and white nationalists like Israel for their own reasons and certainly not because of their profound love for the Jewish people.
Obama's supposedly anti-Zionist record on Israel is highly exaggerated, by the way. He was simply not as unequivocal in his support, that's all. Perhaps because he understood that standing by Israel after each instance of their blatant disregard, or even flagrant violation, of international law was not winning the US any friends. That UN resolution, at any rate, was not the first time that the US did not use its veto rights on a resolution that concerned Israel - not by a long shot.
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Yes, most frequent posters in this forum are racists and anti-Semites. But again the more important point remains that they also lack basic skills of reading comprehension. Or, as their leader endearingly puts it, they are poorly educated. I am not going to waste my time by applying research level standards to my posts here.
At any rate, there is not much to see here at any rate, except for
Settle down. what is this "boo hoo, ban me" bullshit?
I don't do any banning around here anyway.
I was merely responding to the posts and some of the points you made.
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There is no, boo hoo. You don't need to overreact. You can continue responding to my posts, but you should stop having unrealistic expectations about them. If they don't meet your standards, feel free to disregard them or respond through any other measures available to you as a moderator. Just know that I won't let the casual racism in this forum slide any more and that I will respond in kind.
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I had three different types of posts there - one a comment from someone talking about ethnic diversity's consequences, one talking about Trump's persuasion, and one talking about how Trump's actions were bullshit because they didn't include the Saudis.
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So you lost me. Is it casual racism or casual anti-semitism?
At least we're doing a good job of maintaining a relaxed atmosphere!
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It has to be one or the other? Or are you implying that "casual anti-Semitism" is not racism?
In either case, there is enough of both to go around between you and some others. Here is an example from the higher echelons of power who is both an anti-Semite and a racist, Steve Bannon:
1) http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...annon-accused-anti-semitic-remarks-ex-n638731
2) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...os-silicon-valley_us_582c5d19e4b0e39c1fa71e48
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ok, a few things here. first off, jews are not a race. secondly, i don't know HOW the fuck you lumped me into some sort of category containing bigotry or anti-semitism, but i assure you, i am neither. i post articles to provide points of, and engagement in, discussion. i don't advocate either side. third, are you attempting to compare me to steve bannon as an example of what i'm doing or what the community is doing???
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Um, who overreacted?
Not sure why I would invoke any moderator privileges and why you keep harping on that. Nothing you post is worthy of moderation.
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Good. Then stop getting so agitated and self-righteous. The both of you.
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I stopped reading here.
I don't know what you call yourself, but minimally you are a clueless bigot who has completely skipped out on a reading of modern history. Go read at least the wikipedia article on "Nuremberg laws" and see a particularly pertinent example from relatively recent history of how Jews were racialized (identified and treated as a race).
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honestly i'd rather just be falsely labeled a bigot than continue with you on this descent into madness.
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^what he said.
FriendCustomer
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The ban already a tremendous success for America, terrorists afraid to come :
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LOL
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Was in an American 50s themed bar in São Paulo the other night, where I was naturally mistaken for an Americano given my pequeno portugues. My friends were very fxh about it insisting they were Australians, but given this isn't the Sandbox I embraced it and started a chant and everyone in the bar except my chippy Aussie comrades went along with it with much gusto:
"U-S-A, U-S-A!... BUILD THAT WALL!"
"U-S-A, U-S-A!... BUILD THAT WALL!"
Lord Buckley
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It's a bit disingenuous to criticise Trump for not taking on the Saudis at this moment. Believe me they have already got the message of what Trump's presidency means for them and their nefarious activities. At this stage, Trump has rightly targeted countries identified as state sponsors of terrorism and security risks. It does not target Muslims in general, only countries with a history of harbouring and promoting terrorism as defined by Obama's administration.
Trump can move on to our so called allies later, when all the facts are identified and laid out for scrutiny.
The media was hysterical yesterday and I was particularly impressed with the Canadian Prime Minister who promises to take all the refugees that the USA doesn't and intends to give Trump a lecture on liberal morals when they next meet. #WelcomeToCanada one and all! When the jihad attacks start, which may already have commenced, that will come back to bite Justin Trudeau on his backside.
Trump's message is clear: clowntime is over.
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It was finally clarified to me. This isn't a ban on Muslim majority countries. It's a ban that will allow the US government to revamp their policies to properly screen those from the seven dodgiest countries in the world. President Trump has always been a friend of Muslims. Got it. Pakistanis, Saudis, Egyptians rejoice.
That said, if these measures go on further or expand to more countries, what labour laws prevent a firm from terminating people from dodgy nations? You're pretty useless as an executive if you can't travel internationally or is that the slippery slope the Hollywood types warn us about with Nazis and their employment practice prejudices?
That said, if these measures go on further or expand to more countries, what labour laws prevent a firm from terminating people from dodgy nations? You're pretty useless as an executive if you can't travel internationally or is that the slippery slope the Hollywood types warn us about with Nazis and their employment practice prejudices?
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Grand Potentate
, you might want to add trigger warnings to the forum.
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Meanwhile, Drumpf is actually the best at something for a change.
Leitmotif
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Why do you hate freedom?
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Reince. LOL.
Leitmotif
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Scherensammler
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Fear not, globalists for the rescue:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38793248
Starbucks has pledged to hire 10,000 refugees globally over the next five years, in response to US President Donald Trump's recent immigration ban.
And the, of course, this has happened:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38793071
Six people have been killed and another eight wounded in a shooting at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada, police say.
Shots were fired at the Quebec Islamic Cultural Centre on Sunday night, where more than 50 people had gathered for evening prayers.
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doghouse
will like this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38795998
Trump executive order: Million sign petition to stop UK visit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38793248
Starbucks has pledged to hire 10,000 refugees globally over the next five years, in response to US President Donald Trump's recent immigration ban.
And the, of course, this has happened:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38793071
Six people have been killed and another eight wounded in a shooting at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada, police say.
Shots were fired at the Quebec Islamic Cultural Centre on Sunday night, where more than 50 people had gathered for evening prayers.
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doghouse
will like this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38795998Trump executive order: Million sign petition to stop UK visit
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Uncle Luke will never stop being my hero.
Lord Buckley
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There was some serious triggered co-workers this morning, good job I went out and got an emergency supply of coffee filter paper in. I reckon it would have gone into full on crying, followed by chanting and finally a mass of spasms and ectoplasm vomiting somewhat akin to mass ergotism and demonic possession.
Looks like that attack in Quebec City isn't going to suit Justin Trudeau's narrative of deplorable Trump supporting white home grown right wing male priviliged terrorists who were triggered into killing by the executive orders of Trump. Damn! Don't you just hate it when it turns out not to be right wing fascist nut jobs? Still, never one to not to resort to emoting virtue signalling irrelevance. Quick hashtag some meaningless sound bites about the nasty Donald and while your at it Mr Trudeau, why don't you set aside some time to hashtag and emote about the 16 countries in the world who do not allow Israelis to visit them? Yes, they're banned! If Trudeau had any morals he would be twittering his little head off against this important attack on free travel and the globalistas vision. But then again, when it comes to Israelis, well, they're just expendable aren't they Mr Trudeau? Am Yisroel Chai!
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Leitmotif
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Olo
I love how tolerate the tolerate left is
Fucking mongoloids
I love how tolerate the tolerate left is
Fucking mongoloids