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I agree, and the US hasn't got any worse in this regard just because the FBI was too pussy to recommend charges against Lyin' Hillary.
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so there's shit in the water, the cops are on strike and not getting paid, there's poor people everywhere, but the hospitals DO have needles???
Dude, unless you haven't actually seen news you are missing the total infowar that is going all over the world. IS not only Brazil that is getting attacked, South Africa is getting a lot of shit lately too, China, Russia, and so forth. THey want to destroy the BRICS, CIS, and so forth.
 

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Dude, unless you haven't actually seen news you are missing the total infowar that is going all over the world. IS not only Brazil that is getting attacked, South Africa is getting a lot of shit lately too, China, Russia, and so forth. THey want to destroy the BRICS, CIS, and so forth.
ok, but lets focus on brazil for the moment. what is getting distorted with the news coverage so far?
 

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None of these links have anything to do with the actual situation on the ground in Brazil or any of the topics mentioned in the article and video i posted.
I know that, but if you see throgh it you will see that the two main political parties are waging an info war against brazil, its up to you to connect the dots.
 

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I know that, but if you see throgh it you will see that the two main political parties are waging an info war against brazil, its up to you to connect the dots.
no that has nothing to do with the state of the country for the olympics that i just posted about where you said it was all propaganda. focus. what, in specific, is wrong with the news i posted about the current state of the country? not who caused it, mind you. the actual facts.
 

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Most of the world is in a shambles, but some places are more tolerable than others. Just make sure you lock the gates before turning into your ivory tower and palatial estates to keep the rabble out.

Saw on network news last night superbacteria were found in that bay for water sports. The interview with that researcher about potential impacts was useless though. She basically said there isn't enough clinical studies to know the effect. Yacht athletes - ingest your superbacteria with reckless abandon.
 

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I've a few stories of my adventures in Brazil: being caught in machine gun cross fire, investing heavily in the volatile whore market and such like. But one gets tired of regaling strangers in upmarket hotel bars with these stories.

Keeping with the kidnapping theme, one of our drivers was effectively known as the glue brand Evostick, being called Evo. His English was not the best and one morning he picked me up to take to work in a highly stressed out state. In the evening, one of our other drivers pick me up had this to say: the night before Evo was driving the Brazilian president of a large international computer company (I won't say which one) back from The Hard Rock Café in Barra Tijuca to his hotel (he lived in Sao Paolo and was visiting Rio). The script was that president with his female entourage was in the car with Evo and his security were in the car behind. On the way back on the coastal road by the Roncinha favela a kidnapping was attempted with another car trying to get Evo to pull over with machine guns hanging out the window. Evo took evasive action and then the security car brought out their own fire power and there was a high speed shootout. The result was that the kidnappers car careered off the road and crashed. The computer company president security people finished off the kidnappers by stopping their car and shooting them all dead.
 
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I was there when Lulu came to power, at his inauguration the Rolls Royce that was ferrying him to his acceptance speech broke down. It was raining too in Brasilia on that day.

My batman had a father who had worked for the local government in Rio. He told me the municipal offices were completely empty by Friday afternoon as everyone finished early, he said that it was full of good looking ladies who were sleeping through all the top management, all very stunning and all available if you were on the right salary. Anyway, his father had recently retired and as part of his pension, he and another retiree had been given the budget of a town fire brigade to look after. What they didn't spend on fire engines, fireman and hoses was theirs to keep and fund their retirement to the style they had become accustomed to.
 

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I was there when Lulu came to power, at his inauguration the Rolls Royce that was ferrying him to his acceptance speech broke down. It was raining too in Brasilia on that day.

My batman had a father who had worked for the local government in Rio. He told me the municipal offices were completely empty by Friday afternoon as everyone finished early, he said that it was full of good looking ladies who were sleeping through all the top management, all very stunning and all available if you were on the right salary. Anyway, his father had recently retired and as part of his pension, he and another retiree had been given the budget of a town fire brigade to look after. What they didn't spend on fire engines, fireman and hoses was theirs to keep and fund their retirement to the style they had become accustomed to.
Brazil is a country of the future...

...And always will be.
 

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Olo. Latin America is the only place where being white is a privilege.
 

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Brazil is a country of the future...

...And always will be.
But in there, lies it's strange charm and bewildering optimism in face of vast crookedness and violence. It's in a constant state of the good times are just about to arrive and so they dance on in the sand and dirt under a 40 Watt lightbulb in the hope that next year the disco lights will arrive.

In a really ugly dystopian future you may be correct, that country is so fucked up.
It is indeed a dystopia, but you can have a glorious fantasy of non-stop sex for the first 18 months before the dark reality weighs in all around you. The country itself is filled to the brim of natural beauty though, it's a dystopia of some lovely eye candy. And that too seems to be the essence of Brazil, scratch away at the surface and the beauty gives way to despair with gnarled twisted deals, double crosses and layers upon layers of intrigue with each one more indiscernible than the other.

Olo. Latin America is the only place where being white is a privilege.
And Brazil has the best marketed apartheid in the world. Even the victims of it, don't see it.
 

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I'm planning to go back to Brazil next year, it's a great country in many ways. It's cheap to be rich there - but also dangerous.

To be honest I think Argentina is more backward than Brazil, at least in the major cities. It might be a different story in Bahia or Matto Grosso, but there's no doubt that Rio is a lot safer and progressive than it was even 10 years ago, whereas not much has changed in Buenos Aires for 30 years...

Also, if there's a positive to come out of lava jato it's that Brazilians are finally taking corruption seriously and things that were previously accepted are now the subject of immense public anger.
 

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is BA dangerous? i've always heard good things about that city.
I wouldn't say dangerous, unless you turn up to La Bombonera dressed in River Plate gear... but it looks like nothing has been invested in the city for at least 20 years.

Brazil spent a shitload of money on Rio prior to 2014 and basically sent death squads into the favelas, and São Paulo is relatively safe because all the criminals are in Rio trying to scam Americanos.

I'm only talking about progress over the last couple of decades, never mind the fact Rio might have been starting from a lower base in many respects.
 

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is BA dangerous? i've always heard good things about that city.
As prince nez says, just don't get caught in a Boca Juniors - River Plate brawl and you should be ok.

It was basically off limits during the depression of the late 90's, and there is still an undercurrent there. The criminal ass Kirchners didn't help either. There is great architecture and food though.

I'd recommend the Argentine countryside more than Buenos Aires anyway, it's spectacular.
 

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Liveleak disagrees wholeheartedly with the sentiment here about "improvements" in Brazil. I could post 50 disturbing videos here a week just from that one site. Just last week there were 4 or 5 vids of thieves getting their hands shot, a sign of a very disturbed society.

Are you telling me that all the criminal gangs were just swept under the rug and never got back out? The amount of poverty is immense, as well as the levels of criminality. They might have tamped it down for a few weeks but anyone that thinks there is some long term trend of improvement is fooling themselves.

They are a population that cannot govern themselves, and would have been better if the Portuguese had stayed to run the show, not that they are perfect stewards.
 

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Liveleak disagrees wholeheartedly with the sentiment here about "improvements" in the USA. I could post 50 disturbing videos here a week just from that one site. Just last week there were 4 or 5 vids of black people getting shot, a sign of a very disturbed society.

Are you telling me that all the criminal gangs were just swept under the rug and never got back out? The amount of poverty is immense, as well as the levels of criminality. They might have tamped it down for a few weeks but anyone that thinks there is some long term trend of improvement is fooling themselves.

They are a population that cannot govern themselves, and would have been better if the British had stayed to run the show, not that they are perfect stewards.
FTFY.
 

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Something that use to really bug and annoy me at first, is that Brazilians don't say "Thank You" in their normal day to day interactions.

There was also another cultural attitude that from a western European and American perspective was quite perplexing and demonstrates that when it comes to cultural differences, which in my experience are underestimated, there is a need to be vigilant: in Brazilian society it is taken as a given that the person earning the most in the family will look after everyone else. So what you get is the top of the pyramid paying for everyone and the pyramid just keeps growing with ever expanding needs.

And not only this, those getting a share of the wealth don't necessarily feel obligated to find work/look after their own needs. So what you find is expats who have married locals buying houses for her parents, uncles and aunties and the next thing they know they are keeping half of Bahia. You also find idiot sons of the wealthy calling themselves professional photographers or even poets who just live off the monthly allowance and don't work, just wander around Rio in search of a life. Also escort girls who keep their family and brothers back in Amazonas state who have no intention of finding their own work and have no problem with living off the work ethic of their sister.

Of course, they don't have a generous welfare state like ours and the reality is, aunties and uncles may starve to death if nobody pays for them. But the attitude to largesse was basically, if it's enough to live on, then why worry about finding work.
 

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Something that use to really bug and annoy me at first, is that Brazilians don't say "Thank You" in their normal day to day interactions.
Considering how a lot of people in the US respond to it with "uh huh," "you got it," and "yup," I might soon drop it altogether like the Brazilians as well.
 

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Tudo bem, tudo bom! And not necessarily in that order.

Here's another carioca tale for ya':

The one thing that the Brazilain's don't tolerate and that's any kind of pedo sex tourists or underage sex. One day I get the call from a friend who was a contract engineer with our client. He told me I wouldn't belive what had just gone down and so we arranged to meet up in the evening of several Chopp's and the sordid tale was revealed....the police had questioned a young pubescent rent boy who happened to have a several wraps of cocaine and lots of money on him. Where did he get this? From his English boyfriend of course. So the police arrested the Englishman who was in his late 40s and worked as a procurement manager at the client of ours. On being arrested he telephone's his employer to get the company lawyer to come and get him out. On no, they say, you're on your own chump!

Then he dropped the bomb shell: you will come and get me out, because I will tell you about the scam I and a couple more of your contract engineers have been running that will take you for $2.5 million over the life of the project....he was out within the hour and he spilled the beans on the ingenious scam they had been running.

As happens with these cases, the guilty get off with resigning and getting on the next plane home. All the publicity is bad for share prices and makes for a hostile reaction at shareholder meetings.
 

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For awhile I was infatuated with this beautiful lady from Porto Alegre. But despite all the warnings signs that this was one real messed up young lady, I felt that she was the one for me. Looking back, it seems clear she had a coke problem, although I didn't see it: rushing to the toilets after a film, turning up in the middle of the night all horned up, seemingly hyper-friendly one minute and then not. Her photographs told a tale, she had married young and the fat chap who was in lots of the photographs was the man that her husband eventually left her for. The child was currently with her mum. Her father was one of these "crenche" pastors and she bore scars on her bottom where he had beaten her. She told me her grandmother was black, although you would never had known from her, and said that down in the Rio Grande Do Sol this was not a good thing as it was really racist down there. On the photos with her husband there was the tell-tale red brick of the favelas. Later I found out her nick-name with the waitresses in Lord Jim's pub was the vampire and some guy told me she was a drug mule and not working for a telephone company at all.

In the end she was more interested in the owner of Lord Jim's pub then me. It hurt for some months. Then she got in touch with me again, by then I was back to normal. She came to me with some cock and bull story about taking a masters degree in some African country, Angola or some other shit hole and she asked me would I kindly lend her US$14,000.00 for 3 months.....

Before that whilst I was still morose with love sickness, we got chatting to these ladies in a bar and one of them was from Fortelza in real estate and was visiting her friend a dentist. So I arranged to go up to Fortelza and it was great to get out of Rio for awhile. I was impressed with the design of Fortelza, modern, but spacious and there was no favelas. Had a great few days and then we decided that she would come and visit me. She was a bit short of cash, so I transferred equivalent of GBP 200 into her account so she could come and see me. Then the excuses came, her parents were ill, etc.....

This is how it works there, you might think they're nice girls, but you're just another gringo who stands out from the crowd and is there to be exploited. Of course the lack of a viable and sustained middle class, means these ladies are desperate and need to be this sneaky to survive. Perhaps.

It can work both ways though. One of my colleagues from the UK had a contact in Rio state who was some kind of Quaker missionary. His mother knew this chap from the distance past. My colleague through the Quaker missionary was introduced to this lady who worked in a shoe shop and he started dating with her and this lasted for the full 4-5 years he was there. The catch was, as so often, he was already married. It was interesting to watch as the couple of days before their wives came out the married guys would get a little nervous, be wary of being seen out in the dens of inequity and when their wives arrived they would be very carefully chaperoned and exposed to only select restaurants in Ipanema and Leblon.

So when my colleague finally left to go back to the UK, I was given his company mobile and told that when I was asked to say he had been sent to the Gobi desert in China in a hardship location with no telephone communication. And sure enough, the Quaker chap rang and told me that the poor girl was heart broken for him and could I help? So I told the lie and that was that.

By that time my colleague and I had enough experience of Rio and Brazil to understand that it was only a temporary buzz, behind the veneer of latin warmth it was squalid and rotten. The expats who had been there for nigh on ten or twenty plus years were oddities, disaffected sorts who had been thoroughly ripped-off, demoralized or whose children had been killed in cross fire shoot outs.

As my colleague said before he left "It was just a brilliant fantasy" and it was time to leave before reality caught up.
 
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