Israel's Offensive

Hey, Kerry did bumble us out of that Iran Syria standoff about a year ago. Perhaps similar comic mishaps will happen again?
 
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Russell Street said:
Hey, Kerry did bumble us out of that Iran standoff about a year ago. Perhaps similar comic mishaps will happen again?
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He "bumbled us out"? I recall it being more like,

"Hey, sorry for interrupting, guys, but you mind not building nukes? The bossman's a little concerned about that. And those Jew bastards keep whining about it."
"Fuck off Rickety Cricket."
"Come on guys, we're all friends here. Remember us fucking up Iraq? That was pretty cool, huh? Look, do me a big favor here....can you at least tell the bossman you're gonna stop? Doesn't have to be a big production or anything, but just throw me a bone here. I'll lift a few sanctions."
"If we do that, will you shut up and go away so we can get back to building these nukes? Would really like to get this done by the end of the week. I signed up to stone a homosexual this weekend and my arm's a little rusty."
"Yeah, I promise."
"Deal."
 
Russell Street said:
Oops, I was thinking Syria. My bad.
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1700 People died last week in Syria from the ongoing violence there. Kerry did a good job of letting us diplomatically say "this is Muslim v. Muslim violence, who gives a shit?" and turn our back on the whole thing (the parallels to black v. black crime in America are pretty sad).
 
It's possibly he was brilliantly bluffing and offering an out, but it sure looked like embarrassing serendipity.
BTW, I oppose the US being an international buttinsky, which is why I'm not so fond of our involvement with Israel.
 
John Lee Pettimore III said:
1700 People died last week in Syria from the ongoing violence there. Kerry did a good job of letting us diplomatically say "this is Muslim v. Muslim violence, who gives a shit?" and turn our back on the whole thing (the parallels to black v. black crime in America are pretty sad).
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At the risk of being an insensitive prick, let them kill each other. Obviously innocents get in the crossfire, which is sad, but I'm not sure I care if a bunch of militant lunatics kill each other off. Fewer social liabilities long term.
 
Russell Street said:
It's possibly he was brilliantly bluffing and offering an out, but it sure looked like embarrassing serendipity.
BTW, I oppose the US being an international buttinsky, which is why I'm not so fond of our involvement with Israel.
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Oh yeah, I realize I didn't make my post as sarcastic as I intended. I give Kerry absolutely no credit.

I think Israel, Jordan, Turkey, and Egypt are about the only countries we should get involved with in the ME.
 
I forgot how much I love the Naturei Karta.
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OfficePants said:
The media bias one is interesting because it triggers all these groups to go up in arms about antisemitism, so there's that. We don't fund their military exactly, we create social welfare for ourselves because the 'aid' must be spent on American military equipment, so there's that too.

I'm with the media bias camp... it gets so much attention because of the Jewish influence working/running the media today. These people have been at each others throats for 50 years... that story would get boring with a typical news cycle.

See the documentary The Gatekeepers. It's an interview with 6 former heads of Shin Bet, the Israeli CIA. All 6 say this is over the top and needs to come to an end. A close Jewish friend says its the ultra-conservative elements of the population that won't let the issue get settled, and she feels that Jews, after what happened to them, are oppressing the Palestinians and should be the last people on Earth to do it. I happen to agree with the heads of Shin Bet and her. I don't really care about human shields or whose right anymore, just give those people some land and put this tiresome bullshit to an end.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2309788/
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The Gatekeepers was an excellent, thought-provoking documentary. One of those men subsequently wrote an op-ed piece that appeared in the L.A. Times that struck me as about the fairest, most humane, balanced and reasonable solution to the whole Israeli-Palestinian impasse.

I see Israel as a fundamentally schizoid country. One the one hand, many, perhaps most, Israelis are fundamentally decent people committed to humanitarian and democratic ideals. On the other hand, the country is founded on a basis of ethnarchy and theocracy, which are incompatible with such ideals. And, there are no few Israelis who prefer the ideal of the Folkish State (beloved of the Jews' most vicious oppressors) over humanitarian and democratic ideals.

I have sometimes thought that the wisest thing the Israelis might have done after their victory in the Six-Day War would have been to return the Gaza Strip to Egypt (to help keep Israel more Jewish) and simply to have annexed the West Bank in its entirety, BUT with full civil equality and citizen rights for its Arab and other residents.
 
Jan Libourel said:
I have sometimes thought that the wisest thing the Israelis might have done after their victory in the Six-Day War would have been to return the Gaza Strip to Egypt (to help keep Israel more Jewish) and simply to have annexed the West Bank in its entirety, BUT with full civil equality and citizen rights for its Arab and other residents.
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They would never have accepted it, nor would there ever be real equality. You're asking arabs to accept becoming part of a Jewish state.

They need to be given a contiguous state, which they govern as a nation state, and then are scrutinized as such by the world.
 
I say to evacuate Israel to Haiti, but that nation sublets with the Dominican Republic and I'd hate to interfere with the shoes being made there.
 
http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/
Over 300 Survivors and Descendants of Survivors of Victims of the Nazi Genocide Condemn Israel’s Assault on Gaza
313 Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide have signed this letter written in response to Elie Wiesel’s manipulation of the Nazi Genocide to attempt to justify the attacks on Gaza.
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Oh jeez, we're on the old trope of Israel has a uniforms and a wealthy army, valid state! The Palestinians operate among the people and use guerilla tactics and are therefore evil terrorists.
Which means that you'd have opposed the founding of the United States of America. Bunch on rabble-rousing rag-tag guttersnipes not bowing to the Crown! Taking potshots at the Royal Army like cowards!
 
I question the logic of putting it there to begin with. It should have been located in a part of Germany, IMO. I know some would light their hair on fire over this idea, but hey, it makes the most sense. Do you really think they are better off where they are or as a part of Europe?
 
Safe to say that it would be fewer than this endless protracted battle with the death to America crowd. Somehow I think Germans, Italians and French would be a bit less, well, suicide-bomby.
 
gufasd said:
Yeah, but would they not find some other reason to call jihad and spread across the world? It's not like the west would've stayed out of the oil lands.
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That's a separate topic, though. Until the west decides to stop buying their oil, they'll always be death to America. If they were left alone, they'd start fighting among themselves. It's in the culture. Better to let them fight themselves, IMO.
 
gufasd said:
Palestinians are not terrorists because of where they operate or their tactics - more so because they indiscriminately bomb civilian and military targets alike, kidnap isrealli citizens...
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First, as much as I despise Israel, I spell it properly.
Next, um, Israel has been fighting rock-throwing kids with airstikes and tank shells and you really don't want to open the topic of Mossad kidnappings.
 
JimmyRustler said:
No, they'd be killed by corrupt brutal regimes like Saddam had in Iraq. Taking him out was a disaster of a mistake. He could have stayed there killing extremists for another twenty or thirty years and was never a threat to us.
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While in principle I agree, he was mostly killing people that weren't from his tribe.
 
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