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BECAUSE MY WIFE IS FUCKING DOCTOR AT A LARGE HOSPITAL IN THE NORTHWEST OF ENGLAND.

AND....

SECONDLY THERE ARE REAMS AND REAMS OF DATA TO FUCKING BACK IT UP....

ARE YOU CLEAR NOW, OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO....

SHOUT A LITTLE FUCKING LOUDER!!!
yeah but you're not a doctor and there are absolutely not reams of data on bipolar patients and so-called illegal drug usage. i know this for a fact because, you know, they're illegal. so keep shouting. its not going to make you pulling these harebrained ideas of yours out of your ass any less silly.
 

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How can you even discuss/debate with someone who not only supports this madness but cant even articulate reasonable arguments in its favor other than saying you are not a doctor. Honestly it makes me question your mental health.
im happy to argue whatever point you like. is your wife a doctor as well and thus via intercourse you've obtained her wealth of knowledge on this particular subject?
 

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yeah but you're not a doctor and there are absolutely not reams of data on bipolar patients and so-called illegal drug usage. i know this for a fact because, you know, they're illegal. so keep shouting. its not going to make you pulling these harebrained ideas of yours out of your ass any less silly.
There's reams of medical experience in dealing with it.

You don't need to be a medical doctor to know that some people are ill suited to take drugs and some drugs shouldn't be taken by anyone at all i.e. heroin and meta-amphetamine.

Your own anecdotal evidence is enough to know that some people can't take alcohol without turning angry and paranoid, those who smoke cannabis have problems getting to work and they'll likely admit it's hard to come off, LSD for some people makes have to go into therapy and then there's those who take cocaine and turn into this:


I knew someone who was bipolar and took copious amounts of coke. After an extremely manic outing which involved getting several loans, 2 Smart cars, hundred of iPods for a pyramid scheme, a trampoline and blowing all his loan money at the local brothel was committed to the local insane asylum in The Hague. It took him several months to come down and he was told if he continued taking cocaine he would end up in a state where he will never be able to make back into society.

Like Abbott's son, a very well connected young man and because of that he was able to walk back into a cushy number through his father. Didn't help though, he was back at it and was last heard of was going manic in London and was committed never to be seen again in polite society.
 

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After an extremely manic outing which involved getting several loans, 2 Smart cars, hundred of iPods for a pyramid scheme, a trampoline and blowing all his loan money at the local brothel was committed to the local insane asylum in The Hague. It took him several months to come down and he was told if he continued taking cocaine he would end up in a state where he will never be able to make back into society.
they are allowing you to continue posting on dw?
 

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im happy to argue whatever point you like. is your wife a doctor as well and thus via intercourse you've obtained her wealth of knowledge on this particular subject?
Whilst, this isn't intended for me, I'll answer it. I've no need to absorb my wife's medical knowledge through intercourse, I merely need to turn to her and ask her, her opinion.
 

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Olo, indeed, we are all moving on up in this world, son. Except for you middle england brexit lot
That's good, because very soon you're going to be made to pick-up the tab for Italy, Spain, France and the German banks.

Hope your bespoke pockets run deep...you'll need them!
 

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yeah but you're not a doctor and there are absolutely not reams of data on bipolar patients and so-called illegal drug usage. i know this for a fact because, you know, they're illegal. so keep shouting. its not going to make you pulling these harebrained ideas of yours out of your ass any less silly.
Harebrained ideas?

You're the one advocating decriminalisation of drugs, self-medication with crystal-meth and various other stupidities. I just think that people with mental health problems should be cared for by mental health professionals. I'm odd like that.

You seem politically extremist, your obvious disgust for Trumpism has made you swing to the opposite extreme. You should be trying to bring the pendulum back to the centre.
 

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How can you even discuss/debate with someone who not only supports this madness but cant even articulate reasonable arguments in its favor other than saying you are not a doctor. Honestly it makes me question your mental health.
You are probably right, but I lost my temper in the Coronavirus thread with another poster for a similar reason. It would do some people a lot of good to go on the frontline with medics and see the shit they have to put up with, it would change a lot of perspectives.

My wife has been physically assaulted countless times over the course of her career by people she is merely trying to help. I wouldn't do her job for a gold pig.
 

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There's reams of medical experience in dealing with it.
no there isn't. but by all means, as a man who just loves to make his argument online, please present all the peer-reviewed studies on the effects of methamphetamine usage when dealing with bi-polar disorder. i prefer your research be broken down into bi-polar 1 and bi-polar 2 please, for ease of reading.

Your own anecdotal evidence is enough to know that some people can't take alcohol without turning angry and paranoid, those who smoke cannabis have problems getting to work and they'll likely admit it's hard to come off, LSD for some people makes have to go into therapy and then there's those who take cocaine and turn into this:
my own anecdotal evidence? i'll have you know sir that I am currently medicated by several of those substances and am somehow able to rebut all of your ridiculous dogshit arguments quite easily. i do consider it a form of emotional labor though so i suppose you could say that I'm going to "work" here.

I knew someone who was bipolar and took copious amounts of coke. After an extremely manic outing which involved getting several loans, 2 Smart cars, hundred of iPods for a pyramid scheme, a trampoline and blowing all his loan money at the local brothel was committed to the local insane asylum in The Hague. It took him several months to come down and he was told if he continued taking cocaine he would end up in a state where he will never be able to make back into society.
and yet you never thought to wonder why someone with bi-polar disease might want to feel the need to take cocaine in the first place?

Like Abbott's son, a very well connected young man and because of that he was able to walk back into a cushy number through his father. Didn't help though, he was back at it and was last heard of was going manic in London and was committed never to be seen again in polite society.
ah yes, the moral of the story here. drug users deserve to go away forever, especially if they come from money.
 

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Whilst, this isn't intended for me, I'll answer it. I've no need to absorb my wife's medical knowledge through intercourse, I merely need to turn to her and ask her, her opinion.
and she specializes in this field?

Harebrained ideas?

You're the one advocating decriminalisation of drugs, self-medication with crystal-meth and various other stupidities. I just think that people with mental health problems should be cared for by mental health professionals. I'm odd like that.

You seem politically extremist, your obvious disgust for Trumpism has made you swing to the opposite extreme. You should be trying to bring the pendulum back to the centre.
no i wasn't advocating self-medicating through crystal-meth. i was simply trying to get you to come down off your high horse and even attempt to consider WHY someone with a mental disorder would want to do that as opposed to just lumping them in with the pile of degenerates that you consider all drug users to be.

and yes, i do very strongly advocate for decriminalization of drugs. you know, like your former euro-zone buddies Portugal. or several other countries in europe do with some of their drugs.

You are probably right, but I lost my temper in the Coronavirus thread with another poster for a similar reason. It would do some people a lot of good to go on the frontline with medics and see the shit they have to put up with, it would change a lot of perspectives.
yes, it absolutely would. it would also behoove you to have to deal with it from the patients side and see how they get consistently mistreated and abused by the system that is supposed to be set up to protect them. the world isn't quite as black and white as you make it out to be.
 

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no there isn't. but by all means, as a man who just loves to make his argument online, please present all the peer-reviewed studies on the effects of methamphetamine usage when dealing with bi-polar disorder. i prefer your research be broken down into bi-polar 1 and bi-polar 2 please, for ease of reading.

my own anecdotal evidence? i'll have you know sir that I am currently medicated by several of those substances and am somehow able to rebut all of your ridiculous dogshit arguments quite easily. i do consider it a form of emotional labor though so i suppose you could say that I'm going to "work" here.

and yet you never thought to wonder why someone with bi-polar disease might want to feel the need to take cocaine in the first place?

ah yes, the moral of the story here. drug users deserve to go away forever, especially if they come from money.
Well I do hope you're not self-medicating on all of those substances and if prescribed, you might want to get yourself a new physician. I do take CBD myself on occasion.

There's a difference between a scientific study and the work that doctors do. A PhD student trained in the scientific method conducting mathematical models is probably in a better position to give a detailed study on the matter. A normal doctor is at the anecdotal level, based on experience of their patients. You don't need to be a medical doctor to have an opinion on this.

Why would a manic bi-polar person take cocaine in first place? Why wouldn't they?

As you may know, bi-polars have to discipline themselves and live by the rules set-for-them and the medication.
 

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and she specializes in this field?

No, she is not a specialist in that field, her specialism is intensive/critical care medicine. but obviously, she has to deal with patients who have mental health problems before the specialists attend.

no i wasn't advocating self-medicating through crystal-meth. i was simply trying to get you to come down off your high horse and even attempt to consider WHY someone with a mental disorder would want to do that as opposed to just lumping them in with the pile of degenerates that you consider all drug users to be.

I don't lump all these people together, I thought I made that clear. I don't have much sympathy for people who have become addicted to recreational drugs though.

and yes, i do very strongly advocate for decriminalization of drugs. you know, like your former euro-zone buddies Portugal. or several other countries in europe do with some of their drugs.

Then, I'm afraid you are a fool.

yes, it absolutely would. it would also behoove you to have to deal with it from the patients side and see how they get consistently mistreated and abused by the system that is supposed to be set up to protect them. the world isn't quite as black and white as you make it out to be.

As I said, this is an argument for proper medical care, and a properly funded service.

As an aside, doesn't the US have an opioid crisis?
 
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Well I do hope you're not self-medicating on all of those substances and if prescribed, you might want to get yourself a new physician. I do take CBD myself on occasion.

There's a difference between a scientific study and the work that doctors do. A PhD student trained in the scientific method conducting mathematical models is probably in a better position to give a detailed study on the matter. A normal doctor is at the anecdotal level, based on experience of their patients. You don't need to be a medical doctor to have an opinion on this.

Why would a manic bi-polar person take cocaine in first place? Why wouldn't they?

As you may know, bi-polars have to discipline themselves and live by the rules set-for-them and the medication.
Lets not cast aspersions...
 

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Well I do hope you're not self-medicating on all of those substances and if prescribed, you might want to get yourself a new physician. I do take CBD myself on occasion.
which is still illegal in many countries. so clearly you're just as big of a degenerate piece of shit as the rest of us drug users.

There's a difference between a scientific study and the work that doctors do. A PhD student trained in the scientific method conducting mathematical models is probably in a better position to give a detailed study on the matter. A normal doctor is at the anecdotal level, based on experience of their patients. You don't need to be a medical doctor to have an opinion on this.
so now "reams of medical experience" has turned into anecdotal experience? got it. words lack meaning now.

Why would a manic bi-polar person take cocaine in first place? Why wouldn't they?
yes these are precisely the questions you and formby profess an insight into!

As you may know, bi-polars have to discipline themselves and live by the rules set-for-them and the medication.
yes, thank you dr. kildare.

I don't lump all these people together, I thought I made that clear. I don't have much sympathy for people who have become addicted to recreational drugs though.
well what a fantastic person you are to have such an enlightened view of people and their lives.

Then, I'm afraid you are a fool.
just a quick google search found this little bitty from a brit rag you might enjoy:


for pimple since i know he doesnt do anything other than read headlines:

Portugal decriminalised drugs 14 years ago – and now hardly anyone dies from overdosing

The country has 3 overdose deaths per million citizens, compared to the EU average of 17.3


As I said, this is an argument for proper medical care, and a properly funded service.

As an aside, doesn't the US have an opioid crisis?
yes and a deadly one at that. are you claiming that legalization would make a difference there? because the opioids are already legal. life is very different from the other side of your rose colored glass.

Moi? Never!

Let him without sin cast the first stone except when it's against Austrian carpet munchers.
i admittedly have no idea what this is in reference to.
 

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which is still illegal in many countries. so clearly you're just as big of a degenerate piece of shit as the rest of us drug users.


so now "reams of medical experience" has turned into anecdotal experience? got it. words lack meaning now.


yes these are precisely the questions you and formby profess an insight into!


yes, thank you dr. kildare.


well what a fantastic person you are to have such an enlightened view of people and their lives.


just a quick google search found this little bitty from a brit rag you might enjoy:


for pimple since i know he doesnt do anything other than read headlines:

Portugal decriminalised drugs 14 years ago – and now hardly anyone dies from overdosing

The country has 3 overdose deaths per million citizens, compared to the EU average of 17.3



yes and a deadly one at that. are you claiming that legalization would make a difference there? because the opioids are already legal. life is very different from the other side of your rose colored glass.


i admittedly have no idea what this is in reference to.
There are ''reams of medical experience'' as front line medical staff and doctors deal with this kind of thing all the time. That's different to research.

As is quoted in the The Independent piece, there is more going on regarding the low overdose rates than decriminalization. Likely low numbers of abusers and tight knitted families where there is pressure to conform and not take drugs. Here in the Netherlands for example, we have the coffee shops were you can go in buy whatever cannabis type you want. But contrary to popular myth, it is socially unacceptable to smoke a joint here in polite society. You will never go to anyone's house or party and be offered a joint. You'd get a line of coke before that. So there's strong social norms not to smoke joints.

I am all for supporting addicts with appropriate treatment. But decriminalization of heroin and metamphetamine I don't agree with. If you going to do it, you need to make it legal and controlled product e.g. alcohol and cigarettes. Moot point as these drugs will never get approval as they're too dangerous.
 

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As is quoted in the The Independent piece, there is more going on regarding the low overdose rates than decriminalization. Likely low numbers of abusers and tight knitted families where there is pressure to conform and not take drugs. Here in the Netherlands for example, we have the coffee shops were you can go in buy whatever cannabis type you want. But contrary to popular myth, it is socially unacceptable to smoke a joint here in polite society. You will never go to anyone's house or party and be offered a joint. You'd get a line of coke before that. So there's strong social norms not to smoke joints.
but its legal. this attitude is allowed to flourish because people are able to freely consume and imbibe where they choose. stop trying to muddy the issue with this social norm bullshit. tighter knitted families? what the fuck does that even mean? if you had legal drugs in the UK it wouldn't work because you don't have that and the portuguese do???

I am all for supporting addicts with appropriate treatment. But decriminalization of heroin and metamphetamine I don't agree with. If you going to do it, you need to make it legal and controlled product e.g. alcohol and cigarettes. Moot point as these drugs will never get approval as they're too dangerous.
and you're of course welcome to your opinion. yet somehow im not here telling you that you're leading to the downfall of society because of them.
 

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Let him without sin cast the first stone except when it's against Austrian carpet munchers.
i admittedly have no idea what this is in reference to.
Somewhat curiously, I think that it's a roundabout way of making a Hitler reference.

Hitler was born in Braunau-am-Inn in Austria and was sometimes referred to disparagingly as "teppichfresser", which means "carpet eater" or "carpet chewer" in German, in reference to the wild, irrational rages that he would sometimes fly into.
 

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[Y]es and a deadly one at that. are you claiming that legalization would make a difference there? because the opioids are already legal. life is very different from the other side of your rose colored glass.
What are the factors causing the crisis?
 

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Somewhat curiously, I think that it's a roundabout way of making a Hitler reference.

Hitler was born in Braunau-am-Inn in Austria and was sometimes referred to disparagingly as "teppichfresser", which means "carpet eater" or "carpet chewer" in German, in reference to the wild, irrational rages that he would sometimes fly into.
It was very blunt, it was a clear reference to our Austrian chum who projects Nazi symbolism onto English youth. That's obnoxious considering the sacrifice the Brits and the Commonwealth made to defeat Nazism and the Austrian carpet chewer. We fought longer than anyone else and those who project their own country's sordid Nazi past onto the Brits are contemptible and deserve our scorn. I know the moderators deleted that offensive post.

It wasn't the grandfathers and great fathers of the Brits who set the world ablaze considering themselves the Master Race.
 

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which is still illegal in many countries. so clearly you're just as big of a degenerate piece of shit as the rest of us drug users.


so now "reams of medical experience" has turned into anecdotal experience? got it. words lack meaning now.


yes these are precisely the questions you and formby profess an insight into!


yes, thank you dr. kildare.


well what a fantastic person you are to have such an enlightened view of people and their lives.


just a quick google search found this little bitty from a brit rag you might enjoy:


for pimple since i know he doesnt do anything other than read headlines:

Portugal decriminalised drugs 14 years ago – and now hardly anyone dies from overdosing

The country has 3 overdose deaths per million citizens, compared to the EU average of 17.3



yes and a deadly one at that. are you claiming that legalization would make a difference there? because the opioids are already legal. life is very different from the other side of your rose colored glass.


i admittedly have no idea what this is in reference to.
Decriminalization and support for addiction (supply, safe-injection sites) has been shown by research to work from a public health/harm reduction POV. It is a hard nut to crack for some people to support such efforts. Switzerland, Portugal and other countries have demonstrated this over the long term. Even Canada which has not decriminalized anything but weed, safe injection sites and needle exchange programs help the addicts and reduce OD's. Does it help people kick? Variable success rate. It is more like facilitation to being a functional addict. But even a steady, safe, supported supply does not eliminate crime and this is linked to socioeconomic status. My little shithole province gives out more needles than big boy provinces. Saskatoon gives out more needles than cities with 3x the population. A good and bad thing.

The impact of opioid prescription abuse by physicians and pharmaceutical companies in the US and Canada has driven people back to illicit drugs which are easier to procure and it comes with devastating results. It has not spread as readily to other nations. Not to mention fentanyl which was never readily available on the streets until the last decade or so, especially the shit coming out of China. I have not prescribed opioids for decades unless the pain actually warranted it. Others are too stupid and contributed to the epidemic. When I was a resident I got in trouble for trying to prescribe methadone to a chronic pain patient that nothing else worked for and found out there were only two guys in the hospital who could do it and I wasn't either of them.

Some with mental health issues self-medicate, others don't. There are a number of reasons but they are diverse. Availability of affordable mental health services, SES, health literacy, drug seeking behaviour. Much of it tied to social station in life and not always just the poors. Some with manic-depression only respond to ECT (and respond well) but a lot of providers won't go this route thinking it to be barbaric. It was the only thing that righted my mother when she went off her meds which was a regular occurrence. She did not self-medicate. I also worked in asylums and saw the outcome from a professional perspective. A hellish procedure to observe or participate in.
 

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Thruth Thruth - Thanks for the input and perspective.

A friend of my parents started to suffer from manic depression in her early 40s - perhaps it had always been there to some extent but suddenly worsened. She would behave absolutely irrationally - abruptly breaking into loud sobs and screaming and refusing contact with anyone at times; but then going out and running around in a park singing and dancing and taking off her clothes (for which she was arrested by police) at other times. She was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric institute for a period of time and I remember visiting her with my parents when I was about 10 or 12 - it was quite shocking.

Anyway, she ended up having a course of ECT and, thankfully, it seemed to work for her. She was still a changed person but was able to resume a "normal" life in society, resume relationships and so on.
 

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Sometimes I prefer just walking in a straight path to see when these people who are so infatuated with their mobile phones will run into me. There have been some very close calls and a few collisions.
 

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I'm surprised they haven't picked-up on the first Star Wars franchise yet: Darth Vader is clothed all in black and despite being white beneath it all, his voice was provided by a black actor. Then you have the first blatantly black character in The Empire Strikes Back: Lando Calrissian who initially betrays the alliance.

Then you have Luke Skywalker blond and blue eyed, reinforcing white privilege and microaggressions with his presence and having a unique genetic superiority with the Force.

Then you have Flash Gordon, with Ming the Merciless of Mongo: clearly an ugly Fu Manchu type stereotype of the Chinese.

I say, ban the showing of the films and relating products, licenses and game spin-offs with extreme prejudice and also cancel all those involved, including their offspring.
 

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I know what a Fascist is, I don't need an article to tell me. I however, suspect that you don't. I also suspect that you don't know what a Socialist is either.
Oooh sick burn. You really got me with that one
 
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