Temple Of Pawns: The Story Of Temple Of Jawnz & The Morons On StyleForum Who Were Ripped Off

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6/4/15 at 5:20am
  • TOJWatch
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    Originally Posted by nicelynice


    Yeah - when people started leaving negative reviews on their restaurant en masse. I think their response has been fair. Not vetting business partners is a bad idea, but I don't think it makes them responsible for this.

    Anyways, I have no stakes in this and I'm probably a Drew apologist. What some of the newcomers might not understand is that Drew earned the trust and goodwill of these forums for 5+ years. He delivered awesome leather jackets at an incredibly fair price point, offered them entirely MtM and fairly quickly. I had a sizing issue at one point, off by an inch, and he replaced it for me and bought me a beer. I loved reading the updates with ToJ and even the parts of his own life he shared on the forums - it always felt like he was doing a service for the community while hopefully earning a nice profit for himself. There were so many highlights in the ToJ saga: the Brad Pitt varsity, Willy's cool gallery, the Uncontrol rider, and the continuous release of new models. It was amazing watching ToJ grow because it sprung from the forums.

    It's quite hard to reconcile that with the current state of affairs. Don't get me wrong, if I had $800 tied up in this, let alone FIVE THOUSAND US DOLLARS, I'd be quite a bit more miffed. As it is, I'm just kind of watching from the sidelines going "what went wrong?" with a gaping jaw. I know it's been simmering for awhile, but I imagine the present situation took a lot of longtime fans, maybe Charly and Dan, maybe his Libertine partners, by surprise - nobody wants to believe that a fixture of the community and cool dude like Drew could do wrong. I like to believe it wasn't malicious, I've made mistakes and had trouble owning up to them. It's hard. Luckily for me, they didn't involve a quarter million dollars in unfilled orders. More than anything it's a shame, really, and I hope old timers are still able to enjoy their jackets and unfulfilled orders get some sort of compensation. Godspeed ToJ thread

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    Aeglus, now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. That clown got himself arrested on drug charges, sold off his jackets to pay for legal fees, stole a thousand dollars from his best friends, gained about 20 KGs, grew a moustache and fled the country. It's beginning to look like there's a link between sociopathy and Jawnz.

    Beware SF community:
    Nothing gold can stay
 
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6/4/15 at 6:41am
  • TOJWatch
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gruff



    Mostly dependent on which country he's in. Visa rules change from nation to nation. However, it's theoretically possible to be gone for a long time if you can manage to game the system.



    Also, this is unconfirmed, but he allegedly has U.S./SK dual citizenship. If that's the case, he can stay in SK as long as he wants - he's a citizen there.
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    Let's establish a timeline for Mr. Keith residence in Korea:






    1) So far we know he's lived here for at least 12 years.



    C    hecked his Facebook on the dates of the 2012 South Korea Presidential election and the Legislative elections, and the 2014 Legislative elections.

    Seeing as how he used to be an EFL teacher, it looks like he may be on an F2 (resident) visa.



    Also, looks like his "retirement" plan is in full effect.





    You just can't make these things up.
 
Holy shit

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6/4/15 at 8:00am
  • cellardoors
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    I think maybe the lack of sympathy / treating this like a spectacle derives from the fact that the aggrieved party are a bunch of guys on SF who have paid hundreds or even thousands of dollars on mtm leather fashion jackets. It's not like Drew scammed a ton of elderly people out of their retirement funds. I think if that were the case, people would view this situation as much more grave than they are. And, before I get shit all over, I AM NOT saying that you all do not deserve to be seriously pissed the fuck off at this asshat for what he did. Just trying to offer perspective as to why this has become like a reality TV show to some people. Let's be honest no one here is going to be out on the street because of Drew.

    That being said I really feel for you guys. Hope at least some resolution can be had, whether it's money, your jackets (although not likely) or at the very least an apology from Drew and that he pay for what he did.
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    I'd accept an apology, and a firm (signed + notarized?) commitment to ramp up production again!
 
I like this Hokuto guy. He's a good egg. Someone PM him and tell him to join up.

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6/4/15 at 6:03pm
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    Originally Posted by brad-t

    Maybe I'm totally staking my reputation on the wrong thing here and might regret posting this, but please consider laying off the vitriol and hearing what will be said. I don't even know exactly what it will be and I cannot blame anyone for ignoring me for saying this, but I would feel too bad to not even try.

    I think you should continue exploring whatever options you think are appropriate, but I don't think this situation needs to get shittier than it is already.
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    Are you mad? Drew is entirely responsibly for how shitty things are. Instead of telling other people to lay off, how about you give some advice to Drew to 1) Apologize 2) Tell the truth 3) Have a plan to make amends.

    Is being nice to Drew going to get people their jackets? If you want to wait another 10 years sure

    Is pursuing every legal avenue to get your money back and punish Drew going to get you anything? Some people will get their money and some satisfaction that he didn't get away with this.

    I can't speak for others but the 2nd choice seems a lot more realistic and appealing to me.

    Frankly the only thing Drew could possibly say that would satisfy me is if he refunds everyone until their jacket is ready to ship. Does that sound crazy for Drew? Sure, but not nearly as crazy as him holding on to more than a 100 grand for 1 year +
6/4/15 at 6:20pm
  • hokuto
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    I didn't tell anyone off, and I'm not asking anyone to "be nice." I don't think anyone can be faulted for being extremely angry at Drew.

    I think you should aggressively pursue whatever means necessary to get your money back if that's what you want to do.

    But none of that relates to what I'm saying. It has to do with the same reason dieworkwear left the thread. Because he's actually interested in a resolution and most of what's being said here doesn't contribute anything. We have some guy posting innocuous screenshots from Drew's Facebook as if it was hot news.

    I've been on this site for seven years. I basically grew up here. And I've vocally expressed my disappointment in Drew many times here before. So believe me when I say I wouldn't have made this request unless I felt there was an extremely good reason to do so.
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    You told people to lay off, which is what I said.

    You're one of the people that Drew chose to talk to if Drew was my friend the conversation would go something like this.

    Hey Drew, there's an angry mob at styleforum out for your blood, what's the deal with the money and the jackets? You better come clean about the whole thing if you don't want people trying to ruin you for the rest of your life.

    Which is what I imagine what most people in this situation would do.

    You say we should be interested in a resolution, Drew is the only one that can resolve this, if you're really his friend you should tell him to do the right thing.

6/4/15 at 7:45pm
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    Originally Posted by Spaghettimatt

    Agree with Brad. Baying for blood isn't going to solve anything, but hearing Drew out (and maybe having just a little compassion), in conjunction with the threat of legal action and/or mass paypal fraud claims, might.

    At the end of the day, the goal is to get the jackets or the money back, not to send the dude to jail or kill him.
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    What could he possibly say that makes any of this excusable?

    The majority of the orders will be out by the end of the month? Tried that earlier this year.

    I lost all the money? Well you should go to jail

    A picture of EMS boxes?

    Korean Holidays?

    Seriously, what would you want to hear from Drew to not want your money back and/or for him to face legal consequences.
 
I can't even

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6/5/15 at 10:43am
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    I was contacted yesterday by a some longtime friends who caught wind of the SF thread and they contacted me immediately asking what was going on. Everyone urged me to make a post and clarify everything and be entirely truthful. It’s been a long time and probably needs even more backstory so that goes here, I will go back pretty far so it leads to the current and explain it all:

    The timeline is this: the cutoff run was precipitated by quite a number of factors, some were deeper historically and some were more pressing. Several times I had wanted to quit making clothes, mostly that was due to boredom or a desire to do something else, but I didn’t want to give up on Dan like that, as he had quit his career back in 2009 to come help at TOJ for me, and Charly had come on and wanted to stay with it. I remember trying to sell TOJ years back and a couple guys even took interest to the point that one of them, complete with a wife and kids, wanted to come out to Seoul from Texas and was only worried he wouldn’t be able to pick up the system on it. I think in the end, it was much bigger move than he was able to make anyway. I didn’t even really know what to value TOJ at back then because it was just a system of designs, patterns, sales base, and a lot of intellectual properties. The annual revenue value might’ve been 800k at the time and I think selling out was gonna be a small fraction of that.
    In summer of 2011 I lost the better part of my hearing overnight. I still don’t know why and nobody else does either, but that was a setback that contributed to me wanting to quit my current life, work, etc, and try something else as well, fearing that I wouldn’t be able to do things the same way anymore. It definitely did change my perspective on a lot of things, probably made me more than a little depressed. Just a loss I couldn’t do anything about.
    After that, I made the move to Tokyo, and there began a much deeper journey that really took my interest in clothes away. I had really wanted to live in Tokyo for the better part of a decade. It’s an awesome city and then in the end after I finally got there, it really took me for a spin as well. What happened there was only personal - I had been going out with my gf for the better part of 3 years at that point, we had the dog together, she was Japanese and had wanted to move back ‘home’ - and with me not being a local Korean, I also had no real roots to uplift, so I moved there with her once our apartment in Seoul had ended. Immediately upon getting there, she told me that she thought the best way to get a visa would be for me to get married to her. Things with her had been ok (despite some fights that were escalating over time) and I gave it a shot. I’d felt like I should settle down. It turned out that getting married in Japan was extremely simple and only a matter of signing on a dotted line at the town office, this in a country where there are longer forms and fees just to dispose of a television. Ate Chinese food for dinner the same day and came home. Got food poisoning. Visa and gaijin card came in extremely quickly, I remember getting my picture taken at some photo booth across from Donki in Roppongi and then going down to Shinagawa immigration office and getting into some expedited line away from all the people who were trying to get visas on their lonesome. Anyway, all of this happened at a breakneck pace and I was married. What I didn’t know at that time, or for some time, was that it was her way of basically entrapping me, as a foreigner with unequal rights. It was probably planned well beforehand or just naturally programmed into her regardless of whether it was me or somebody else. Her demands and entitlement grew over time quite quickly and she began acting strangely. I think that she had some sort of clinical disorder that required her to usurp so much from me using charm, a lot of bad behavior, and a lot of fighting and so on, and so on, and that settled in on me several months in. My thoughts at the time were just a lot of sadness about the bad hand I dealt myself as well as my health problems, but it was also so soon in that I couldn’t even explain it to anyone because it was all really ridiculous.
    By this time in Japan, TOJ was on auto-pilot. I think this was the era when not many new designs were made and the production was handled only by Dan, admin by Charly, wait time was 3-6 months back then and rolling over. I would go to Seoul once in awhile but I wasn’t ‘allowed’ to go after some sort of strange jealousy issue erupted in my house. I think it took months for me to get back to Seoul at that point.
    Needless to say, I was pretty miserable in Japan and had gotten myself way up the wrong path there. To make matters worse, Tokyo is a great place to visit with a lot of wonders so looking out the window you want to feel happy about it, and then it was simultaneously a horrible place to live for me. I wasn’t used to all the earthquakes. Japanese was extremely hard to learn using the small basis that I knew and then my new deafness really put a stop on things. Japan has a lot of strange low tech ways and excessive rules, Japanese people tend to walk around looking quite glum, there was a disproportionate amount of extremely high priced prostitutes walking to work everyday past my balcony making me question a lot of things, and I was in my horrible household being manipulated as well. All of it mounted and was really soul crushing to the point that I often thought about suicide back then. I simply couldn't see how the future could work in my favor. Had I had the tools to do so back then, I would’ve probably killed myself as far back as that point, summer of 2012 or so.
    After having too much of this, I had to keep pressing forward for the sake of the other guys and had to rip myself out of Japan and try to get back to Korea away from all of it. My visits got more frequent, we made new designs, things picked back up again. I eventually just left Japan and never went back, and restarted in Seoul again, on my own. I was meeting a lot of interesting people in Seoul back then, and had come off that bad streak so I was feeling a little better. This was late 2012, early 2013. I was resettling and TOJ was still pretty much auto-pilot. I met up with Dan maybe once a week or once every two weeks just to ship, Charly was in America. It was like stepping back into something I hadn’t done for some time, it was awkward and I had less facility with things. I knew then that I just didn’t want to do TOJ anymore, especially not the way it was back then. It was alive and kicking, but also I saw us getting older and I was 31 by then, not the 27 year old I was at the beginning, not the guy who was interested in clothes and clothes making and internet socializing, etc. TOJ had shipped thousands and thousands of pieces out into the wide world and honestly I think nobody could believe that dudes were really gonna need 18 leather jackets in their wardrobe, plus more. Given that I had gone through a wringer, I was kinda banged up and lacked desire to do a lot of things, and was trying to simplify to get back to a starting point, I guess. In addition I wasn’t wanting to hold anything property or asset wise due to wanting to get a divorce. So all of these individual happenings really just cemented it for me, that I needed to end TOJ as best as I could, so that decision to finish it was made.

    My real movement away from styleforum started around the time of the cutoff run, and it was mostly innocuous at the time. I had just extricated myself from Japan and that situation and gotten myself back to Seoul and was trying to restart my life, and get TOJ finished. The chance to go into Scout came up, I did that on the side, Sally and Dan were in there with me and things were getting done as the place was a night bar and fairly simple. Throughout the years, guys had emailed us and wanted to meet up and just hang out, I guess as far back as 2009. From that position it was fine, although plenty awkward many of times.
    By the time it had gotten to the Scout era, people would come in, I’d look at the floor, see some white Margiela army trainers then some torn up jeans walk in, a white v neck tee, and a black leather jacket. For a split second I’d see something out of place, I’d flashback to SF, I’d look at their faces and see a sort of shy empty gaze staring at me. They’d either come alone or with other dudes. They’d sit down for awhile and then suddenly somebody like a server would lead them by the arm up to me and introduce them to me as ‘a TOJ guy’ or ‘styleforum guy’ and some sort of awkward non-conversation would take place or drag out as I am deaf and a little shy in the aftermath of it. This happened more times than I can remember, and then later happened at the other restaurant a great number of times. It’s not so much that I didn’t want to meet people at all, but the sudden IRL encounters kinda rattled me back then, and given that SF was really no longer what it had been by that point, I had my personal distractions, and I moved away from the forums and kept working on the stuff without posting much. I had a couple strange stalker/death threat type things for no real reasons besides being an internet person some years before any of this happened and yeah, I honestly was kinda bothered being ambushed by guys IRL who breathed heavily and were wearing some sort of replica of my own outfit from 8 years ago and were seeking me out… I guess to find their kindred? My mental state was probably beginning to crack again around this time, I was realizing how far things had gotten from the beginning. It was just making a few jackets at the very beginning, and then took on so many things later.
    Once time had gotten on, I was well and truly away from styleforum and probably didn’t realize how much time and space had intervened. I was beginning to get worried about the load of orders and the IRL work, and then the thread took a tone change once non-customers started posting as if they were, and the negativity just started snowballing. I saw some of it at the beginning and from there I just couldn’t do much but to stand back and watch, or not watch. Willy cheesesteak would screengrab posts and send them to me to look at with a ‘lol’ attached and for awhile, I was able to log in and respond, but over time this was happening more and more, eating at me and breaking me down, and meanwhile there were the posters actively trying to ruin the thread, ruin everything out of internet extreme forumming. Getting a message from willy I would see the notification and have to brace myself knowing I’d read something bad on the forums again. He also showed me where the various copies of my designs were coming out and making progress elsewhere, which was defeating. After awhile the anxiety and dread took over and it really consumed me to where I couldn’t log in to SF out of anxiety reflex, amongst a lot of other things. This is where the two way communication really ended and I began to do things wrong.
    I was and am apologetic about the people who kept waiting, I was simultaneously angry with the people who were taking over the thread and creating messes specifically for me to clean up. That imbalance grew, the confusion grew, I had 5 solid years of happy people on here and around me and suddenly things were dropping away and yet I was here trying to continue the work aspect of it, getting jackets made and delivered. The process of jacket making was always fairly simple when there wasn’t the extraneous problems, and then some of the natural frustration got lit with a match and has come to this.

    The cutoff run was intended to be much smaller than it actually tuned out to be. I don’t think I need to say that at this point. I think it was supposed to be a week but turned into months with people coming in late and begging to be in, Charly saw it as a way to continue receiving accounts, and I made the mistake of saying that was okay. I was so far removed from the production as well as order taking side at that point that I had an approximation of what was to be made, but it was far too optimistic. The bulk of people ordered all on the same days, at the beginning of the cutoff run in May. It was a tremendous amount. Another mistake was letting people customize from the catalog as before - this added a great deal of lead time to the entire group of orders, and obviously escalated to this point.
    The basic idea regarding finishing the order log and ending TOJ was that I was to be off, and once the orders had been taken and set, Charly would be off, and then Dan would finish up the log and turn out the lights. Due to the internal and external factors that wasn’t able to happen ultimately. I had to fire Sally long before the cutoff run because she couldn’t show up, she overslept a few times and didn’t come out, made some mistakes. I didn’t know at the time that she had some family issues that were probably consuming her, and she never really mentioned it. I never did tell Charly this so it’s probably wrong to say here but I felt having him on way after only encouraged people to keep up needless dialogue and moving/changing order things around like a hobby, and meanwhile he was simply responding with ‘yep’ ‘ok’ and giving out a generic lead time in order to extricate himself from those conversations with people, as the quality of the conversations were clearly leading him to a lot of duress and the lead time was always moving around. To let him continue that was a mistake on my part. Dan’s father passed away and we had just started the restaurant, there were tons of distractions, things grew quite murky there and derailed the production during that time, I sent a lot during that time but it did kill the pace and momentum from what it had been, and I had to take over more than I had done before, and was basically in somebody else’s office not knowing what i was doing in order to keep it going.
    For all six years, the actual production team has been the same - they are all old freelancers doing things on their time. For the entire being of TOJ it was always on their time and pace, which was steady at times, and not, and the time would roll over, catching up with itself at times. Even without the large order load, the lead times would vary between 1 week and 9 months or more. I often thought about moving the production to HK or some other place where turnover could’ve been faster but I knew the quality and materials wouldn’t be the same or up to spec.

    I am still liquid to finish all of the orders and ship. Those orders were and are being made always at several places in perpetuity, like they have been for years. The wallet guy had some disagreements with me for no real reason besides being strange (I think he was trying to get out of his business) and was extremely hard to work with, but I can contact him again finally. I sold my car awhile back as well out of the indication on the internet that it was slowing jackets down somehow.
    The liquid to continue is there, however I am honestly afraid of what becomes if things don’t pan out as they should - this is regarding refunds and chargebacks. The problem with issuing refunds was initially the Paypal issue. I am not sure who tipped the PP into negative balance but it was enough to create an issue where Paypal sent a collection agency in person. I haven’t lived in America in over 7 years, so they found my father and badgered him about it. The problem with that is the third party collection agency that Paypal used charged some sort of ridiculous interest amount that compounded quite quickly, it was like a 90% rate and ultimately my dad didn’t know anything about any of this but the fact that this bill was adding up tremendously in multiples of the original amount and they were harassing him, he just paid it off. I found out about it even later, not long ago. I dread to know how many people have attempted chargebacks. No money had really been exchanged for a year or so, except when I began issuing refunds last fall and then got cut off. After learning of the collection agency situation and given the situation on the forums, I knew that if the dam were to break on refunds or automated chargebacks, it would jeopardize the entire production run without letting it be made for anybody, as well as any crossover where refunds occurred but item was shipped, etc. With the depth and complexity of the records I worried there would be doubling over or worse, which would jeopardize the things being made for other people. The real problem looming over my head on this is that if the chargebacks were to consume the remaining production budget and incur the collection agency's interest at a rapid rate, it would go multiples over what is left on the table and go beyond any resources I have as well. Given the amount there, it’s a completely reasonable conclusion that I would have to kill myself in order to escape the collection agency’s added debt as well as any other problems that would arise from it. That might sound ridiculous, or not, I don’t know, but from a functional standpoint that is the end result and am sorry that people would be left behind on it. The amount of stress and unhappiness have brought me here and lately I’ve just been waiting for the day when something goes to unfixable status, to where it would be impossible to live. I have the desire to finish all the orders and find some sort of better day.

    Where I am at with the restaurant and everything else - I’m now ‘kicked out’ of the restaurant by the other owners request. The vandalism on the Facebook page annoyed them, the messages annoyed them and people inside were just sending junk replies to get you to stop, somebody had to report the phone situation to the police, and then the final straw was Lee Tae Hoon coming in looking for me and trying to get a story out of it for his blog. I am not sure he will be able to print anything regarding the business or myself due to libel laws in South Korea but that is also a looming factor. The place will ultimately sell as it’s a developed property basis and the group will break up, a lot of what was promised by everybody in the beginning didn’t occur once business was underway anyway. It is a shame as the restaurant was truly made by the group of staff who continue there and the business of it goes well. I didn’t know that someone from the restaurant had posted in the thread. I didn’t move or change my number (I don’t even have a number now and I live in a private building) but now I realize they probably said that in order to keep Lee Tae Hoon away from me.

    I also apologize for speaking through Brad the past couple posts. I just logged on the other night, found out I couldn’t post and saw him post and also online so I spoke with him a bit, and then we spoke again last night about the above things as well. Brad is not involved in any of this obviously and would like to see a resolution just as many.


    edit: will speak to interim posts later.
 
What the fuck is DieWorkwear doing? What is this shit?


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6/5/15 at 11:10am
  • dieworkwear
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    Hi Drew,

    Sorry to hear about the rough few years. Although people here are mad about the situation, I realize that there's also a very human element in this, and sometimes things happen in ways that you don't intend. Sometimes it's because of the stress you might have in other areas of life.

    In any case, the poster above me (@cutemelon) put up some questions everyone is going to want answered. I want to add on to that, however, that I think we need some kind of system in place from now on.

    I realize there's a catch 22 here, cause you're trying to make jackets, but also face chargebacks.

    I'd like to work with you to figure out how to issue refunds. I don't think there's a way around this issue at this point -- some people just want their refunds, and they want it now. In order to not get a massive flood of chargebacks, I think you will need to issue some refunds to show that you're moving forward in good faith. If you're not able to do this through Paypal, I'd like to work with you to find a solution. Maybe you can write a check to Fok and Fok can issue the refunds. I can be an intermediary, but I think everyone trusts Fok more since this is his forum.

    After that, I'd like to have some system in place where I -- or someone else from this thread -- can monitor your progress with jacket production. That includes being in touch with your factories and maybe working with you to find a fulfillment center, so that you don't have to do all the shipping.

    Nicelynice offered to go to Korea to help you sort things out, which might be useful for figuring out order logs and whatnot. If he can't go, I can work with you to find someone who can help with this. I am also willing to pitch in for some of this cost (if others can join, that would be nice, but obviously not required).

    What I'm trying to say is: I'd like to work with you on this, but it requires a bit more in place. We can't just have questions answered at this point, we need a system to make sure things are going forward. We also need you to be in much more frequent contact -- we're talking daily emails with those involved, and weekly updates on this thread.

    At the moment, I'm looking into lawyers we can hire in Japan, Korea, and the United States. This involves not only the outstanding orders you owe people, but also possible tax evasion and the mishandling of money. I am also planning to talk to a few media outlets. I would like to work with you, and frankly am sympathetic to how you must feel in this situation (from your description, it sounds scary), but these efforts are still going to go forward as fast as I can get them done until we reach some kind of real agreement. To be clear: until we have a system in place, I will continue to work on these fronts as fast as I can. The longer you wait to put that new system in place, the more difficult it will be for me to reverse these issues (especially on the media side, as I can't control what people publish once I talk to them).

    I think answering the questions @cutemelon posted above is a good start. We need direct answers -- not background stories. However, in addition to that, we also need a new system in place. Again, I would like to work with you on this, but it requires your cooperation.

    I sent an email to you yesterday about this. You should have it in your templeofjawnz gmail account. The email essentially states the above, however. If you need to find my email, my address is dieworkwear at gmail. The subject line is "Hi Drew."

    I look forward to your reply.
 
Again? Why is he "working with" anyone? Did Fok assign him as the forum's representative???

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6/5/15 at 11:21am
  • dieworkwear
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    So fucked up. The psychological factors it takes to write something like this are mind boggling.

    Yes, Drew it sounds ridiculous. You got problems bro… srsly.

    "Hey SF please don't force me to be responsible or I will have to kill myself." I don't know when exactly this thread jumped the shark, but we are light years into the Sharknado Nebula now.
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    aka "I have the money to complete the orders, but if you chargeback that will deplete the funds and I will have to kill myself"

    aka attempting to buy more time, yet again
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    I realize we're all very upset at Drew, and I know Drew wasn't actually threatening suicide, but suicide and depression are very real things. Maybe we can lay off this point?

    Drew, if you really are depressed, it's going to be hard to get work done. I can work with you to find people who can take on some that load, so things can move forward without you having to do all of it. It does require your cooperation, however.
 
Just how stupid are these people?


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6/5/15 at 11:54am
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    Drew, take this from a guy who has been nothing but happy with your products - 5 of them, and who does not have a bone in this particular fight.

    You need to give specific answers to the specific questions that have been put to you in this page and the last two pages. See dieworkwear's and cutemelon's posts.

    I guarantee you that whatever genuine personal or professional problems you may have, it is critical you do not compound them by ignoring what people are asking.

    This is simply the most important thing you will do in the next few hours and it will have an impact on how you go next day, next week, next month, next year, probably the next decade.

    Nothing else will cut it.

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    6/5/15 at 11:54am
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      Drew has been through quite a lot. That is apparent.


      I think we all need to take a breather and let Drew work things out.



      If the jackets are not delivered by the end of 2015, then we can take action.



      We've waited this long. What's a few months more?
 
My blood was boiling while reading this shit. Led me to think they don't really give fuck about their money. Proven by this.moran

[quote name="n4turalst" url="/t/217855/the-new-official-toj-thread-updates-complaints-etc/51810#post_7926408"]I've been lurking this thread for over 2 years since I ordered back in Oct 2013.
Haven't checked back in awhile and now I see this BS. Shame.
This is probably my first post and I'm only posting to contribute to finding a resolution.

I agree that there needs to be some sort of leadership and organization to get this moving.
Possibly get a new thread for the sole purpose to discuss these matters.
I believe dieworkwear should start a new thread since he seems the most capable of leading this group.
There are people such as myself that would love to contribute whatever we can to help find a resolution.

I'm a korean out here in LA; I do visit SK annually to meet up with some homies.
Unfortunately most of my contacts out in Seoul are gangbangers that run away from LA to SK to avoid legal consequences from US jurisdiction. I have thought about hitting them up to f with Drew because I'm really getting sick of this ish.
But a crime of this caliber is better off dealt with legal ramifications and claiming his assets.

I don't care I'm out a grand I honestly just want justice and none of this BS I've been patient for over 2 years this is unacceptable.
If we can't find a way to come up with a resolution....man, I don't know.
2 years of silence and I'm sure there are others just lurking seeing what they can do cuz you don't play people like this.
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This was gold:

The new official TOJ thread - updates, complaints, etc... - Page 3454

6/5/15 at 3:33pm
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    What I expect to hear from Drew next update:



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by secndclasslogin

    I was kidnapped a year ago and have only been able to communicate via smoke signals to Brad on the rare opportunity I've convinced my captors to let me have a pee break. Yes, it's true. ISIS has found me.

    Luckily, just this past week I was able to escape under the pretense that I needed to source more Albanian goatskin for their Mosque of Jawnz private label, of which I've been forced to produce. True to my nature, I was able to delay production by offering up excuse after excuse. And one night, disguised as a woman, I made my way across Syria sucking the dicks of tribal leaders I met along the way in exchange for safe passage. I found myself in Istanbul before too long, at the Grand Bazaar. It was there I was able to run for freedom across the rooftops in my very own action montage reminiscent of Liam Neeson's daughter in Taken 2.

    And now I am free. But I did swipe a photo off the ISIS commander's desk as evidence of my past whereabouts.

    So, business as usual. Expect your jacket production to pick up where it left off, which is about another year or two. Or not. Whatever. I might kill myself, so don't bug me.

 
^Pretty sure that Distorbiant's being sarcastic there.

It's good that Drew (if that's who it was, and I assume that it was) finally posted some real, decent information about things. That was the biggest issue that most people had - I'm sure that if Drew had been honest, open and up-front about things, instead of simply disappearing from SF, then people would have been prepared to wait. Heck, people are *still* prepared to wait even though their jackets are still two years overdue!

Drew's self-absorption and lack and of any proper self-realisation is still quite astonishing:

I was and am apologetic about the people who kept waiting, I was simultaneously angry with the people who were taking over the thread and creating messes specifically for me to clean up. That imbalance grew, the confusion grew, I had 5 solid years of happy people on here and around me and suddenly things were dropping away and yet I was here trying to continue the work aspect of it, getting jackets made and delivered. The process of jacket making was always fairly simple when there wasn’t the extraneous problems, and then some of the natural frustration got lit with a match and has come to this.
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Drew blames people "taking over the thread and creating messes specifically for me to clean up". Hmmm... why would people come into a thread and "create messes"? Perhaps it's because they'd been waiting for a year or more without *any* real communication?

He then has the gall to blame Charly for letting people place orders and for letting people change details. If Drew didn't want that to happen, then perhaps he should have said, "No", and clearly informed Charly of that?

Remarkable.
 
If anyone has seen Drew's instagram pictures from past few years, there should be no sympathy at all. I am so confused, do fanboiz really still believe that jackets are going to be delivered.

They should go after the restaurant or anything Drew has a stake in to get the money back. Why the fuck would you feel bad for someone who stole your money.
 
Latest including another $3200 hit

168 Childplease ($380)
169 virid ($1600)
170 cold war painter ($820)
171 chinkachu ($380)
172 McLarenF1 ($380)
173 Trisk ($830)
174 dhjxe ($835)
175 Peternorth ($3200)
176 Distorbiant ($820)
 
Missed this nugget first time: Got food poisoning.

I wish he'd written his dog ate the shipping forms.
 
Thruth said:
cellardoors along with Spaghettimatt are complete tools
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Pauly Chase said:
This fuckface probably sucked Drew off last night to write this type of bullshit
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You guys are too fucking cute with your gossiping and shit talking over in this corner of the Internet.

I did indeed fly to Korea, track fugitive Drew down, and suck him off last night. Tasted like curry.
 
Spaghettimatt said:
You guys are too fucking cute with your gossiping and shit talking over in this corner of the Internet.

I did indeed fly to Korea, track fugitive Drew down, and suck him off last night. Tasted like curry.
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Welcome Spaghettimatt

Gossiping? No, discussing the TOJ clusterfuck and the sorry thought processes of desperate people. This is a public thread, open for anyone to read.

At least you did something constructive by flying to Korea to fellate Drew as opposed to handwringing and praying for refunds or jacket deliveries.

Stick around and discuss the matter if you want.
 
DWW just PMed me on on SF. Fucking narcissistic prick. I will throw down with his useless sorry ass anytime he wants to.

Spaghettimatt, you have completely ignored any sincere advice anyone has offered. Let me spell it out to you, his sister and his family still live in OP, if you want want your money or any part of it. Get after his family.
 
This is rapidly becoming the biggest case of sociopathy on the web, and that is saying something.
 
I was wondering if it's Pauly s first time being told.
 
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Because I talked about him here.
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Then we must talk more about DWW's naivety and thin skin. Oh yes, he would not have time to refularly check this thread as well as the SF one being so busy and all mediating the clusterfuck and doing whatever else he does to pass the day.
 
Yey, Drew made an effort and has found a friend for life


#51878 of 518798 minutes ago
friyaz

Quote:
Originally Posted by XVOS


First of all this fraud and is a crime, and second Drew can probably prove that he mailed you a jacket if he is remotely competent.
The jacket I got 2 weeks ago had tracking, and Drew sent me an email with the tracking and I watched it come day by day from Korea, to Chicago, then to my home



I should point out that this was AFTER Charly left, meaning after shit hit the fan, so it APPEARS that Drew still made an effort...
 
DWW:

Hi,

Someone said you had a lot of comments for me. Next time, if you have something to say to me, maybe message me instead of posting things on other forums?

Also, nobody cares where Drew went to school or what state he used to live in. That does nothing for a legal case. That's just gossipy bullshit that drags this thread down.

Go fuck yourself.

Derek
 
Pauly Chase said:
DWW:

Hi,

Someone said you had a lot of comments for me. Next time, if you have something to say to me, maybe message me instead of posting things on other forums?

Also, nobody cares where Drew went to school or what state he used to live in. That does nothing for a legal case. That's just gossipy bullshit that drags this thread down.

Go fuck yourself.

Derek
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Well, I always thought he was a piece of crap. Apparently I was correct.
 
The sad part is many failed to see the purpose of my post on SF. Drew went to Mizzou might be irrelevant, but it is not hard to find personal information using that tip. Instead my post got picked apart and nothing was done.
 
Well he has demonstrated his is a little punk by virtue of what he PM'd
 
Endless arguments about Paypal/Products delivery dates/empty promises in that thread buried a few useful posts that actually exist. No one wants to take legitimate action and everyone is expecting someone else to do the leg work. Maybe I am old fashioned, but apparently people don't care about their hard earned money anymore.
 
Pauly Chase said:
The sad part is many failed to see the purpose of my post on SF. Drew went to Mizzou might be irrelevant, but it is not hard to find personal information using that tip. Instead my post got picked apart and nothing was done.
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Clearly you have to dumb things down to a grade 6 reading level - which one should - when communicating with the masses and explain exactly what you mean otherwise it gets lost in the wind.

Too bad that DWW can't come up with the same kind of evidence that was dug up during the Passaggio scandal. But maybe he is playing everything close to his chest so he can deliver a solid piece of investigative journalism something rarely accomplished by #menswear bloggers. Maybe he can suppress his blogger-don't-piss-anyone-off-and-don't-write-anything-too-deep mentality.

We know he can find it within himself to bitch out Prada_Ferragamo via PM
 
He's also displaying imenswear schizophrenia by organizing Paone bespoke in San Francisco and ordering a TOJ (before ponzi selling his spot to another schmuck.) He probably considers himself 'worldly' to be the only idiot in the world who'd do such polar cosplaying because we sure as well know he shouldn't be wearing anything remotely close to a biker jacket.
 
Thruth said:
Clearly you have to dumb things down to a grade 6 reading level - which one should - when communicating with the masses and explain exactly what you mean otherwise it gets lost in the wind.

Too bad that DWW can't come up with the same kind of evidence that was dug up during the Passaggio scandal. But maybe he is playing everything close to his chest so he can deliver a solid piece of investigative journalism someone rarely accomplished by #menswear bloggers. Maybe he can suppress his blogger-don't-piss-anyone-off-and-don't-write-anything-too-deep mentality.

We know he can find it within himself to bitch out Prada_Ferragamo via PM
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Sadly no one is going to get anything back in this case, no money, no jackets, and no response.

I am short of suggesting that they should go after everything Drew has a stake in, including the restaurant. That type of pressure, and only that type of heat would produce anything tangible.

Again no point because I know nothing and I have no menswear nor TOJ credibility.
 
LelandJ said:
He's also displaying imenswear schizophrenia by organizing Paone bespoke in San Francisco and ordering a TOJ (before ponzi selling his spot to another schmuck.) He probably considers himself 'worldly' to be the only idiot in the world who'd do such polar cosplaying because we sure as well know he shouldn't be wearing anything remotely close to a biker jacket.
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I would suggest it is IS being seen as the resident MC & SWD expert that is making his balls suck up into his body cavity with envy.

He wants to be Sally Fields.

"You like me, you really like me"
 
Pauly Chase said:
Sadly no one is going to get anything back in this case, no money, no jackets, and no response.

I am short of suggesting that they should go after everything Drew has a stake in, including the restaurant. That type of pressure, and only that type of heat would produce anything tangible.

Again no point because I know nothing and I have no menswear nor TOJ credibility.
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Heaven forbid that a good point of view and constructive thinking would trump crying like a baby and hoping for a jacket to materialize on their doorstep
 
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