The European Migrant Crisis...

Scherensammler said:
The Russian forces seam to be much more effective compared to the US, French and Turkish bombings. Still, the (Syrian) refugees won't go back voluntarily. If you can have a worry free life with everything paid by the German taxpayers, why would you go back to a shithole of a country/ region?
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One you emigrate, you don't want to come back most of the time.
 
Leitmotif said:
Once you emigrate, you don't want to come back most of the time.
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But they are refugees, not immigrants. They are fleeing a temporary situation in their home country. Once that situation is solved I would assume they want to go back and help build a better future for their people.
With all the doctors, architects and various craftsmen (all highly trained and skilled) going to Europe, I'm sure the Middle East would welcome them back with open arms.

With millions of people moving into Europe, statistically chances are high that quite a few of them are fleeing from prosecution in their home countries and/ or have very little hesitation to turn criminal in the European Union.
 
Scherensammler said:
The Russian forces seam to be much more effective compared to the US, French and Turkish bombings. Still, the (Syrian) refugees won't go back voluntarily. If you can have a worry free life with everything paid by the German taxpayers, why would you go back to a shithole of a country/ region?
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yes
task for merkel and her government
 
Merkel is facing some heavy opposition in her own party now.
Seems like Germany might (finally) reintroduce border controls again. Some are also considering/ suggesting to revoke the refugee's possibility to claim asylum in Germany. They will be let in, but they can't bring in relatives afterwards.
 
Scherensammler said:
But they are refugees, not immigrants. They are fleeing a temporary situation in their home country. Once that situation is solved I would assume they want to go back and help build a better future for their people.
With all the doctors, architects and various craftsmen (all highly trained and skilled) going to Europe, I'm sure the Middle East would welcome them back with open arms.

With millions of people moving into Europe, statistically chances are high that quite a few of them are fleeing from prosecution in their home countries and/ or have very little hesitation to turn criminal in the European Union.
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At the end of the day it makes no difference, more than half of that is gonna stay there regardless of the situation. Look at Colombia, Cuba, Venezuela nowadays, and so forth, it does not matter whether the situation improves or not, people will like the easy money and better style of life.
 
Scherensammler said:
I know. I was being sarcastic... Of course they won't go back. Once some of them have opened their fruit and veg or Kebap/ Döner shops in Europe/ Germany there will be no reason to complain about the bad food they are getting for free at the moment.
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Yep. Every Haitian with a work ethic and average IQ is living in Broward County and will never go back.
 
Leitmotif said:
I have above average IQ and I have work ethic, unless they are antipodeans.
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What is considered "above average IQ" (or average IQ in general) these days in the US?

For some reason the "Migrant crisis" hasn't been as much in the news lately. Angela Merkel does everything else to get her disassociated from the mess she caused when she opened the border. Like paying a visit to a school that lost 16 students and teachers in a plane crash about 6 months ago. Normaly it would be the anniversary of an event like that, so this is clearly meant to be a distraction or to show that her cockup was due to her empathy with suffering people.
In line with that some online media start to spread the word that the "immigrants" won't have a negative impact on the economy.
Instead they keep praising Germany's strong economy and other bullshit. Germany is an export dependant country and with China's economy struggeling, Germany's economy will struggle as well. The VW scandal didn't help as well.
The estimated yearly costs for the migrants in Germany are around 30 billion Euro. Problem is: That money is not available. Germany's population/ economy doesn't generate enough tax revenue to pay for the extra costs, it hardly makes enough to pay for the already cut back public sectors (health care, police, education, traffic infrastructure) and the public debts paybacks.
Germany cut back social housing projects (which is why low income families with more than 1 kid can't find appropriate appartments/ houses), school buildings are not well maintained, the number of school lessons (along with the staff) have been reduced, there are no kindergarten places for small kids, the roads are in disastrous conditions in some places. The police forces have been reduced as well.
So how is Germany going to cope with additional millions of people without jobs (actually, asylum seekers are not allowed to work for a certain amount of time and even after that they won't get the job if there are other applicants), with the need for houses and education if it could'nt provide this sufficiently for it's population in the past decades?
Angela Merkel has already ruled out tax raises, but that doesn't mean that her finance minister will do the same.
Short term solution will be to increase public debt and install a social housing program. Which is great news for the non-German workforce employed by those building the new houses.
Question is: Who will get the new houses? The migrants/ refugees or low income German families?
And who will pay for further education, training or the welfare payments?
All these questions haven't been asked yet. The benefit of that is that nobody has to provide answers.
 
All we want to do is illegally enter your country and suck your resources away and overwhelm your culture. Why do you try to hinder us?

Border control ftw!
 
Attacking the migrants doesn't help at all. It just makes them victims, which creates a sort of "legitimation" for their intrusion.
This CBS video is a bit like those wild life documentaries, where the camera crew is just waiting for something to happen.
"Oh look, there is a baby gnu, lets see which predator will kill it, the lion or the leopard!"
Austria is now complaining that Germany doesn't let in all the migrants that show up at the Austrian border.
Germany should just close it's border with Austria, nothing good has ever come from there.
All German security agencies are now warning about future problems regarding extremism and cultural clashes and that integrating hundreds of thousands of people from a different ethnic, religious and cultural background won't be possible.
 
The Refugee Crisis Will Be the Demise of Europe
An anonymous correspondent of ClubOrlov blogspot Alex claims that the current influx of refugees and migrants into Germany and other north European countries looks like a well organized endevour. Neither politicians, nor society are prepared to cope with the crisis that may eventually lead to the disintegration of Europe as we had known it for millennia.

Do you remember the last time you saw a man with wild eyes, strange clothes and a giant sign around his neck saying “The End Is Nigh”? “How ridiculous and pathetic!” you might have thought. Now, imagine the reality of your country changing within weeks to a point where you come to the same conclusion as him, suddenly feeling that his approach might be ever so reasonable. When a large part of your fellow-humans catch a strange sort of illness, one which leads to complete insanity faster than in the worst zombie outbreak, you might find yourself out of more viable strategies.

This exactly is happening to me, as well as most people I know, right now, right here in our export-champion, model-democracy Germany. Sane people are finding themselves isolated and helpless amid insane politicians, an antagonistic press, paralysed communities and a large inert populace unable to even fathom what’s happening. I am of course talking about the so-called “refugee crisis,” but because even this name is working against us, I will call it what it really is—a war against Europe by means of invasion. It is now vitally important to call things by their right name, because this distinguishes friend from foe.

But it is even more important is to understand why this is a war rather than a crisis caused by refugees. Everything about this development bears the hallmarks of a military/intelligence operation.

First of all, look at the timing and the scale. It really took off around September, and within less then two month it is already threatening the stability of Europe as a whole, to a point where even the European “Leaders” are talking about the end of the European Union. Credible numbers are not available, but the German government estimates the number of “refugees” that have already arrived somewhere between one and two million, so the real number is probably much larger. Almost all the camps are crammed with far more people than is claimed. Some towns are being forced to cope with more “refugees” than they have citizens, some double as many. The estimates for next year amout to something between two and five million more “refugees.”

Ask yourself, why would millions of men (the overwhelming majority are young men) suddenly and collectively decide to leave their families behind, leave their country, travel thousands of miles and head for either Germany, Austria or Sweden, ignoring all the other safe countries on the way? Who told them that this would be worth it? Where did they all get the money to pay for it? Why was there absolutely no effort at any border to stop them? Why did this not start earlier? After all, the middle east has been a war zone for years—ever since the USA exploited 9/11 to start “spreading democracy.” How could this happen within days, weeks at most. Did the first hundred thousand send a message to the rest that it was OK for them to come too? If so, how?

Secondly, look at the character of the average “refugee.” Why are they all well-fed, well-clothed, self-confident young men showing no signs of stress or hardship? Why are they leaving their families behind? Do they know their wives and children can follow them later? If so, how? Why do these men not want to stay behind and try to rescue their countries? Why do they all own high-quality mobile phones charged with seemingly endless minutes? It is clear that the “refugees” have been briefed on exactly what kinds of social benefits they can demand, and how to go about doing it, and so they are audacious and become violent if met with resistance. They even demand expensive medical treatments, which are granted and taken for granted. Why? There are no background checks for any of these people—naturally, because there is no time to do ten thousand-plus background checks every day. For all we know, these people could be criminals, mercenaries and terrorists. An unknown number have serious diseases, such as hepatitis, TB and even the plague. No one keeps track of that, no one registered them, no one limits their freedom of movement. Those who register do so mostly with forged Syrian passports, which Turkey hands out like candy, even to black Africans who look nothing like the Syrians. Tens of thousands of “refugees” have “disappeared” from their camps, some even stopped the special trains midway to their destinations by pulling the emergency brake and ran off into the wilderness. Where to and why—no one knows. No one asks questions, but what is clear is that we have completely lost control over European territory.

Thirdly, there is the little matter of collaboration and treason. Even if this is a genuine refugee crisis, why is that none of the policies of the German/European government make any sense? And why is the press acting continuously and uniformly in favour of their policies, and is downright hostile toward the European populace? If millions of people have to flee immediate peril, there are a lot of different ways to care for them without endangering the integrity of Europe and ruining several national budgets. But instead of discussing what to do, how to do it and how to pay for it, the plan seemed to be predetermined, decided and fixed long ago.

The political “solution” is to soak every city and town in Germany, Austria and Sweden with people of unknown origin and intention. Flanked by a press hailing the process, underestimating their numbers and suppressing reports of crimes committed by the “refugees,” damning and demonizing every form of opposition. Every branch of government, all authorities and parties, in concert with the press, stand shoulder to shoulder in pushing this agenda against the overwhelming indignation of their citizens and closing their eyes to the fact that this is against the law. Censorship, propaganda, hate speech, defamation and open rejection of basic democratic rights against any opposition, are simply exploding right now. A prime example of this is Germany's vice chancellor Sigmar Gabriel, who called an undefined but large part of the German populace who dare to oppose this insanity “Pack” (vermin).

Everyone who takes a stand in Germany now, opposing any refugee-related policy by the government, is subjected to insults is labelled as a right-wing extremist, a hateful criminal and a danger to society. Some get singled out and persecuted in public using extensive defamation campaigns. The author Akif Pirinçci became the latest victim after giving a speech at the PEGIDA demo, the accusation against him based on a shameless misrepresentation of the facts.

Even the most peaceful protest is immediately threatened with a ban (but most are still granted permission anyway). Every speech or publication mentioning treason or comparable accusations is instantly subject to investigations under the charge of demagoguery or threat of violence. Current examples can be found daily in the major mainstream outlets such as Der Spiegel, Die Welt, Bild and the like. If this situation came about by chance, such a spontaneous consensus would have been extremely unlikely. But from day one this has been an obvious propaganda/defamation campaign against the truth and against the interests of the European populace.

The German press even earned itself a new name that sticks: “Lügenpresse” (the lying press) is a word that can be heard on every corner. In private, the politicians are being called traitors all the time.

The national railroad company is ordered to offer special trains free of charge for the “refugees,” bringing them into every corner of Germany the fastest way possible while delaying regular trains.
Vacant houses and apartments are confiscated by force and given over to the “refugees” free of charge. Every “refugee” given rental housing is paid for by the communities, as much as 500 Euros per person per month. This is a big opportunity for some scumbags to make money really fast, by making, ill and elderly Germans homeless.

The police and the press have been ordered to suppress reports of any crimes the “refugees” commit, and so you will not find any in the press, nor even in police reports. But if you ask around, you will hear plenty of stories about rampant assaults and rapes in every city and many towns in Germany. Some “refugee” camps burned down, but most were burned down by their inhabitants, mostly in protest or because of minor disagreements. Police sirens are heard in every city every hour now.

When the “refugees” started shoplifting, then raiding supermarkets, the government told the retailers to keep quiet about this, and has been paying for everything that was damaged or stolen ever since. The only exceptions are alcohol and cigarettes—all other retail goods are free, no questions asked.

The small business sector has declared the “refugees” unemployable, due to zero qualifications, unwillingness to work and lack of language skills. However, the experts in the press somehow see a “big opportunity” to grow the economy. There is no critical discussion and no plan for the future. The only advice Chancellor Merkel gave to Germany was “Wir schaffen das” (We will do it), not elaborating exactly what we will do, nor how. But anyone brave enough to think for themselves can easily guess.

To keep it short, any political common sense and human instinct would prohibit such reckless, potentially irreversible, not to mention illegal behaviour. Its end result is clearly visible: it is either the ruin of Europe—mainly the countries targeted by the “refugees,” which are Germany, Austria and Sweden—or war. Since I don’t believe that either coincidences or stupidity of this magnitude is possible, this is either treason or high treason. At least two charges have been filed against the current government, one for organized immigration crimes, and just recently for high treason. About 400 people became party to this action afterward. They are unlikely to succeed, because the judiciary is complicit. But if it isn’t obviously high treason now, it will become so within weeks—called out by everyone, because there is no end in sight.

The rest of organized society is equally treasonous. The press has openly declared itself an enemy of democracy and the general public, and at best a collaborators. The church, even while immediately threatened by violent Islam, prays for more immigrants, damning people who dare to utter doubts. The intelligentsia is either silent or applauds our altruism. The treason is complete. Police and the military are completely overwhelmed. The military was reduced in size long ago to the point of utter ineffectiveness and has been stressed out by international missions. The police is simply not equipped to handle millions of potential enemies fanned out all over Europe, awaiting the order to attack.

For foreign observers, this may sound far fetched and exaggerated. But consider this: in some areas of Germany, when you call the police now, no one will answer the phone. When they do, they are unable to do anything. A friend of mine called the police hotline (not the regular local emergency number) and was advised to form some sort of militia to solve the problem. A town of 600 has a dozen policemen at most, but often around a thousand “refugees” to handle. No one will come to their help if these “refugees” decide to take what they seem to believe is theirs already—because someone told them so, I guess. We are adrift in a sea of enemies, and the front-line in this war will run along the welcome mats at our front doors.

I find myself in a nightmare unable to wake up. Most people feel helpless and unwilling to accept the sad truth: we have been betrayed by everyone (except perhaps the police and the military) we entrusted with our safety and our hopes for the future. Even though the end of the global economy in its current form seemed a given to me, this kind of treason and ill intent to bring it all down took me by surprise. Among the twenty or so people I talked to about this in confidence, absolutely everyone is convinced that this is heading toward civil war—and fast! The only question remaining is whether the Germans start it, or the “refugees,” or some other party. We are one mayor terror attack away from sheer chaos. I have heard from several people connected to European security circles that the illegal weapons market is completely sold out, with many dealers holding on to their weapons for their own personal use. This is a rumour, but since we have been forced to depend on hearsay for any real information right now, I tend to believe it.

There is a small protest movement making headlines in Germany and even internationally. The PEGIDA movement has been gathering every Monday in Dresden to protest European immigration policy for a whole year now. They have had plenty of support since bad immigration policy has given rise to this manufactured “Völkerwanderung” (mass migration). On the October 19—the one-year anniversary gathering—around 35-40 thousand people came to protest peacefully, only to be attacked by several thousand violent “protesters” from the Antifa movement. An allegedly anti-fascist group, so violent and fascist in their behaviour they would make for excellent recruiting material for the actual fascists of the SA or the NSDAP. One of the PEGIDA followers was beaten and severely wounded with a metal pole even before the gathering started. Several hundred policemen had to fight for their lives for hours. The Antifa, which is known to many as the second executive of the government, is nothing but an effective mobile force to quell resistance, exactly like the SA, only without the nice uniforms. Wherever demonstrations are announced, the Antifa members will travel there to express their opinion with “hard-hitting” arguments.

Unsurprisingly, PEGIDA is a prime target for hatred and defamation right now. As small as it is, the establishment seems to consider it as real danger, since their complete press gag order against it during the last year did not choke it off. But as important as they might be locally, the outcome seems to be irreversible. The invasion has succeeded already. With each passing day the numbers turn more and more against us. By now the best outcome is a civil war within months, reversing this development. The worst outcome is complete disintegration of European nations within the next few years, rendering large parts of the continent ungovernable. The divorce between the government and the people is almost complete by now. No sane person believes the press or the politicians. The ones who do retreat into fantasies of hate and self hatred. Never before was it more visible to me that this society is completely broken, with every key element, acting against both individual and collective interests, seemingly following orders while digging their own graves.

Once again, unquestioning obedience has taken over German society, but this time without the consent by the masses, because this time the final solution concerns them. The chaos that will follow will by no means be an accident: it is engineered and ordered.

Once again, yet another generation will have to answer to their grandchildren: How could you let this happen?
 
Couldn't agree more.
The events have been played down by all media lately. And yes, the opposition to the events in Germany has been demonized, any opposition has been called right-wing or outright Nazi actions.
There are now more "reports" about how the government is trying to deal with the mess. Which, ironically, was caused by the very same people who are now trying to solve it.
Angela Merkel started the invasion when she let the refugees enter from Hungary. Sigmar Gabriel was boasting a few weeks back that Germany can take in 500.000 "refugees" per year easily.

In both cases the question should be: Why would you?
Why would you willingly let millions of people enter your country under the disguise of being "refugees"? Apparently, Merkel had been warned about the consequences of her actions, but I guess her ratings were down back then, and she probably hoped to get them up again by selling her "let the poor refugees in" decision as humanitarian aid. Hence the selfies with the refugees.
Now with the rising numbers of migrants invading Germany, her ratings, along with that of her party, the CDU, are falling rapidly.
Germany is not the economic powerhouse it claims to be. Yes, it's economy is stronger than that of the other EU countries, but given that those are close to, or already in a recession makes that comparison meaningless. And with the Chinese economy struggling, Germany will find itself in a much worse economical position in the upcoming months, maybe even years to come.
Why is it, that illegal immigrants can be sent back, while people claiming to be refugees can not?
If I tried to illegally cross the border into any country (perhaps not even outside the EU if I didn't have proper documents) I could easily be sent back to my home country or even be jailed. Only because I don't come from a shit hole of a country. Oh wait, maybe now I can do that. Because Germany will be a shit hole soon, if it isn't one already.

Turkey (and this kind of explains the "why now? and how so many migrants have access to Syrian passports") is using the vast numbers of migrants still living there as leverage. For once to get money from the EU, and secondly to finally get access to the EU itself. Which would be like replacing one evil with another. Which is why nobody wants them in the EU.

Apart from having very good pre-paid contracts, how do these people manage to keep their phones running? Especially with the Facebook, Twitter and other apps constantly running. I doubt there are power outlets available along the way, so they must come with pre-charged batteries.
 
again I ask, what is the UN doing? They are silent except when they pop up and yammer for nations to help the SmartphoneRefugees™
 
I have the feeling that I get a really bad deal from my pre-paid service provider.
I should get a phone contract in the ME. Apparently no roaming charges!

The UN has been and still is pretty useless. Why send in "troops" into a conflict zone and then not let them take action against aggressors, instead have them sit in their vehicles and watch. Like they did and do almost every time. Ex- Yugoslavia is one of the prime examples.
 
The accommodations are very nice but the new generation of migrant is very demanding. They are hunger striking because of the length of their detention. They don't know why and don't like the fact that they may be repatriated home.

Migrants go on hunger strike at Czech detention centre

Dozens of migrants went on hunger strike in a Czech detention centre to protest against the length of their stay and the threat of repatriation, the Interior Ministry and volunteer workers said
 
Thruth said:
The accommodations are very nice but the new generation of migrant is very demanding. They are hunger striking because of the length of their detention. They don't know why and don't like the fact that they may be repatriated home.

Migrants go on hunger strike at Czech detention centre

Dozens of migrants went on hunger strike in a Czech detention centre to protest against the length of their stay and the threat of repatriation, the Interior Ministry and volunteer workers said
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Sounds like a problem that will eventually solve itself, if the Czechs have the will.
 
John Lee Pettimore III said:
Sounds like a problem that will eventually solve itself, if the Czechs have the will.
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Absolutely. What is interesting is the sense of entitlement which will be an issue going forward in whatever country (non-Islamic) they end up in.

I think of my relatives emigrating to Canada and being happy to pick shitloads of rocks before they could even plant crops on the shitty, remote isolated farmlands they were allowed to homestead by the government. No hunger strikes, just hunger and making due. No welfare. No human rights tribunals to protest to institutionalize their culture - they kept it themselves, integrated and did not create cultural ghettos other than the network of illiterate bohunk farmers who helped each other out to survive, thrive and become contributing members of society. Didn't even complain when they were put in detention camps during the Great War. Didn't demand $$ for their troubles. But that was another time.
 
Sweden has closed it's borders (well, as much as they can), since it couldn't take in more migrants.

Germany is now trying to establish some sort of order, but the damage is done. Big style.
The latest attempt includes limiting the stay permits to 1 year only and not allowing them to bring over their relatives once the ones that made it into Germany are granted asylum. The number of family members likely to follow is estimated between 3 (minimum) and 8 per migrant. Trouble is that every fucker claims to be a Syrian refugee and it's hard to prove otherwise.
A lot of those who don't want to be registered have simply walked out of the provided facilities.
I honestly don't know what these people have been told or promised. Must have been something along the lines of:
"Got no qualification, no money to sustain yourself or the people with you? Don't worry, just go to Europe (Germany, that is) and you'll have a good life."
For fucks sake, the majority of them are at least smart enough to use the Twitter and Facebook app, so I would imagine they can look up things like unemployment figures and other things like housing situation and living standard.
Those migrants had it far too easy to make it into the EU. It was even easier and with less resistance than the Deutsche Wehrmacht entering France in WW II. :drevil: Next time you want to conquer a country just send them millions of migrants refugees.
It's really annoying to see what they can get away with just because of their claimed status. If I, as a proper European, would have shown up in the UK without any papers I would have have been in trouble because, sadly, I don't look Middle Eastern at all... (no enhanced tan and hair growth).

One of the major problems is that the EU (probably with US involvement) pissed off Russia when they established sanctions over the Ukraine/ Crimea situation. NATO expansion most likely plays a role as well. They wouldn't even dare to impose sanctions if China was involved. Well, maybe a boycott at the next Olympics. If at all. So far they are now targeting Russian athletes over doping allegations. I'm sure the US athletes are just talented, same with the Chinese just focussing their Qi.

Thruth said:
Absolutely. What is interesting is the sense of entitlement which will be an issue going forward in whatever country (non-Islamic) they end up in.
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Hopefully the EU will wake up soon and find a solution. Right now the majority of countries doesn't care because the migrants are mostly a German problem right now, but I'm sure they will spread into other countries as well. Especially when facing being sent back.
Also, if Germany has to spend billions on keeping those folks happy, who's going to pay for the EU to stay alive? The EU (statistically it's Poland) gets a good 20 billion net payment per year from Germany. France and the UK are the next big payers, but not even close.
That entitlement is really funny, in the sense that folk think that because a certain law exists they have a right to have their lives sustained by the state.
Here in the UK I'd be actually better off claiming benefits than going to work. That's a fucked up system if there ever was one.
Strangely, the politicians here focus only on migrants and leave out a large number of seriously dumb and lazy locals.

Latest news on the BBC radio today was the problem with African "refugees"! In the olden days the wars and genocides in Africa could be blamed on European/ Colonial powers, but the Africans quite successfully manage to fuck up their continent by themselves. I'm just worried that whatever the EU is paying to help African countries will just end up in the pockets of the people in power.
 
Scherensammler said:
Germany should just close it's border with Austria, nothing good has ever come from there.
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Sweden has re-introduced border controls and is sending back those without proper documents back to Germany. Turns out that around 70% of the migrants have no passport. So how did they manage to get that far in the first place?
Thank you, Angela! You single handedly ruined Europe for the Europeans.
But it seems that The German government is coming to it's senses and will reinstall law and order. Which they should have done in the first place.
And screw those Western Human Rights activists. How come they are only protesting in countries where it's safe to do so?
What about the human rights of the people in Europe affected by this immigration wave? Low income families, who can't get a flat, because the landlords/ housing companies can let their properties at higher prices to immigrants, because the state is paying for those? What about the drainage of the social systems like health care, education and pensions?

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Scherensammler said:
Sweden has re-introduced border controls and is sending back those without proper documents back to Germany. Turns out that around 70% of the migrants have no passport. So how did they manage to get that far in the first place?
Thank you, Angela! You single handedly ruined Europe for the Europeans.
But it seems that The German government is coming to it's senses and will reinstall law and order. Which they should have done in the first place.
And screw those Western Human Rights activists. How come they are only protesting in countries where it's safe to do so?
What about the human rights of the people in Europe affected by this immigration wave? Low income families, who can't get a flat, because the landlords/ housing companies can let their properties at higher prices to immigrants, because the state is paying for those? What about the drainage of the social systems like health care, education and pensions?

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I'm debating this issue with a guy on Styleforum. He's advocating that Sweden should take them all in. I asked him if he had offered to host any of the refugees or given anything to an aid organization. He responded with, I shit you not, his military service in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's right, his paid participation in the military invasion of Iraq was apparently a "charitable" act that helped out these refugees.
 
John Lee Pettimore III said:
I'm debating this issue with a guy on Styleforum. He's advocating that Sweden should take them all in. I asked him if he had offered to host any of the refugees or given anything to an aid organization. He responded with, I shit you not, his military service in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's right, his paid participation in the military invasion of Iraq was apparently a "charitable" act that helped out these refugees.
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We all do our little bit for the world don't we?
 
John Lee Pettimore III said:
I'm debating this issue with a guy on Styleforum. He's advocating that Sweden should take them all in. I asked him if he had offered to host any of the refugees or given anything to an aid organization. He responded with, I shit you not, his military service in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's right, his paid participation in the military invasion of Iraq was apparently a "charitable" act that helped out these refugees.
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Note: not into menswear.
 
So it has begun;
Police: At least 35 dead in Paris attacks; hostages taken
PARIS — At least 35 people were killed Friday in shootings and explosions around Paris, many of them in a popular concert hall where patrons were taken hostage, police and medical officials said.

A police official said 11 people were killed in a Paris restaurant in the 10th arrondissement, and others said at least twice that number died elsewhere, primarily in the Bataclan concert hall, where the hostages were taken. It was unclear how many people were in the hall; one official said there were around 100 while another said there were far fewer.

Ful history here;
Police: At least 26 dead in violence around Paris
 
I think both threads should be turn into one, this is just the beginning.
 
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