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What to Expect After the Nov. 13 Paris Attacks
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November 13, 2015 | 22:16 GMT
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French security forces evacuate Paris’ 10th arrondissement following a string of Nov. 13 attacks. (KENZO TRIBOUILLARD/AFP/Getty Images)
Analysis
Update (6:00 CST): According to French media reports, French security forces have stormed and secured the Bataclan theater. The attackers apparently used grenades inside the main concert hall, Aujourd'hui Paris reported Nov. 13. Details are still emerging.

As many as 60 people died Nov. 13 in multiple terrorist attacks throughout Paris. At least five gunmen – likely jihadists judging from witness's accounts – conducted the attacks.

Timeline of the Attack
The attacks, which were clearly coordinated, took place in multiple locations and involved different methods. In the first wave, two suicide bombers detonated their explosives at locations near the Stade de France, where a soccer match between France and Germany was taking place. (French President Francois Hollande himself was at the stadium at the time of the attack. He was escorted from the scene and met with French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve in a closed meeting shortly thereafter.) It is unclear whether grenades or other explosives were used, and it is possible a suicide bomber may have been involved.

Meanwhile, gunmen also opened fire, reportedly with Kalashnikov rifles, on a tightly packed Cambodian restaurant in a drive-by shooting. Shots were also fired at the Bataclan concert hall, where a hostage situation in now underway.

Roughly 25 minutes later, gunmen also opened fire on Rue de Charonne. And about an hour after the initial attacks, attacks by other terrorist cells took place at the Louvre and Les Halles.

Special police units, including RAID, a police intervention unit, have been rapidly mobilized and are currently securing the areas around the stadium, the bars and restaurants in the area of the 10th and 11th arrondissement, a part of Paris popular with young people and tourists, and the Bataclan concert hall, where at least some of the gunmen, allegedly armed with explosives, are reportedly located and holding up to 100 hostages.

Events in Paris could evolve rapidly – the standoff with the gunmen at the Bataclan concert hall could end at any moment if the French special police units believe that the gunmen are going to harm the hostages.

Though shocking, the attacks are not completely surprising. Multiple individuals from France and other European countries have traveled to Syria to join extremist groups there. As the Charlie Hebdo attacks have also demonstrated, there is a persistent risk of terrorist attacks within Europe. An important question going forward is whether the attacks were entirely grassroots in nature or whether the assailants received instruction or assistance from abroad from groups such as the Islamic State or al Qaeda. Furthermore, the recent influx of refugees into Europe from places such as Syria highlights the risk that jihadist groups could have placed some of their members among the large refugee flow in order to conduct attacks in Europe.

In an address to the nation, French President Francois Hollande said that the country will close off its borders. The French government will prioritize immediately locking down the city, protecting civilians and capturing the attackers. The next piece of that will be to close down transportation and the borders to prevent any perpetrators from escaping. Finally they will begin to investigate to uproot the parties responsible for the attacks. Notably, Hollande has officialy declared a state of emergency.

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Political Fallout
The attacks will surely have political consequences. They come five days before France's only aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is due to set sail for the Persian Gulf for actions against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. France has been carrying out airstrikes in Syria since late September. Should the attacks be traced back to the Islamic State's core area of operation, France will probably deepen its involvement in anti-Islamic State operations in Syria and Iraq at a time when the Syrian battlefield in particular is becoming crowded and complicated.

From a political perspective, the attacks are a reminder of France's longstanding ethnic frictions following several months in which the focus has been on neighboring Germany. High numbers of migrants have been entering Germany from the east and south, with very few carrying on to France. As a result, France has kept a relatively low profile in the attempts to stem the flow of migrants, though it has been present at the numerous summits on the issue and has supported Germany's push for a relocation of asylum seekers across Europe. Nevertheless, this event can be expected to strengthen the argument of those groups that have been calling for a halt in the flow of immigrants and the closing of borders in countries such as Germany, Sweden and much of Central and Eastern Europe

In the wake of these attacks, Marine Le Pen and her far-right National Front party could see their popularity rise. Le Pen kept a low profile after the Charlie Hebdo shooting in January and still saw an increase in her party's popularity because of its longstanding anti-immigration message. Hollande also saw a brief uptick in popularity after the Charlie Hebdo attack because of his reaction to the events, but a repeat of this trend is not expected because people will now question whether the anti-terrorism measures that were approved this year actually worked. The leader of the center-right Republicans Party, Nicolas Sarkozy, also has a history of taking a strong stance on security issues; he was campaigning on the subject only last week. He is expected to battle the milder Alain Juppe for his party's nomination in the 2017 elections, and voters may swing to his side in the wake of the attacks.
 
Conflating the current migrant crisis with the existing Islamic factions already long well established in France.
They have previously attacked france in the past, like the algerians in the 90s that had rpgs and manages to destroy a police car, fortunately without anyone inside the car,
 
120 now, this is just insane.

I bet Hollande and so forth are thinking about Putin and what he said in UN, do you realize what you have done?

150+ according to the Guardian, with 200 injured. 80 of whom on serious condition... :(
 
European kingdoms expelled the Jews and other minorities periodically in the Middle Ages and during the Renaissance - I think it's only a matter of time now before France and other countries will try and expel all the Muslims, good and bad.

Either way, the EU as a concept is fucked. It'll be every dog eat dog for himself pretty soon - if it isn't already.
 
Registering gunowners is not the same as reading everyone's emails. No one is advocating a free for all but clearly intelligence efforts should be focused on stopping the spread of illegal weapons rather than trying to know what every one of your citizens is thinking at any time.
 
Registering gunowners is not the same as reading everyone's emails. No one is advocating a free for all but clearly intelligence efforts should be focused on stopping the spread of illegal weapons rather than trying to know what every one of your citizens is thinking at any time.
How would you stop guns? In this country alone there are more than 1 gun per person. I can't imagine how many guns there are worldwide.
 
How would you stop guns? In this country alone there are more than 1 gun per person. I can't imagine how many guns there are worldwide.
First, I didn't say 'stop guns'. I said stop illegal weapons. Ok, maybe in parts of the States like Texas that's really only.. um, an A-bomb because EVERYTHING IS LEGAL THERE - but in civilised countries like Europe etc. it's stopping the sale and importation of automatic weapons, grenades and other devices of mass death and destruction favoured by terrorists for maximum impact. I mean, the guys in Paris didn't make their own fricken pipe bombs they used fucking military grenades. Presumably there aren't a lot of places those could come from - searching all the refugees properly before letting them into your community would be a good start. Tapping the known arms dealers would also be another way to go.

If a couple of lunatics attack the odd person with a machete because that's all they could get their hands on, well that's bad but it's better than same said lunatics shooting hundreds of people in a matter of minutes at a crowded theatre.

Recording everyone's browser history otoh, though titillating to be sure, doesn't yield much and actually drowns intelligence agencies in an ocean of useless data.
 
Oh no don't bring up fucking guns on any forum that has an Americans on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The matter of guns is much more complex and complicated than it appears from outside the USA. There is also much that it is politically and socially almost impossible to say about the matter of gun violence, and this must be very frustrating for many Americans.

Depending upon how one looks at the data, America really does not have much of a problem when it comes to gun violence.
 
Oh no don't bring up fucking guns on any forum that has an Americans on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I honestly don't give a fuck if Americans want to exercise their constitutional right to shoot themselves. That's their problem and their prerogative. Nor do I plan on spending my holidays in Aurora, Colorado or Sandy Hook, New Jersey or some other place where all-American nutbags decide to kill their neighbors and other passers by.

What I do care about is not being blown up on my daily commute in my own country, shot at while shopping for colourful thirsts on the via condotti or unshirts on the Champs Élysées, or wounded by shrapnel at a U2 concert in Moscow. Though I suppose if the terrorists execute Bono I'd be ok with taking one in the shoulder for the greater good of humanity.
 
There have been reports from when the waves of migrants came in that a relatively large number of them (apparently equipped with a lot of cash) had just vanished after they made it into Europe, and especially into Germany.
The German interior minister got heavily criticized when he mentioned this behaviour. After that said reports were muted or suppressed in the media to avoid "scaring the public"!
Apart from the few militant supporters of radical Islamic groups there will also be passive supporters who donate large sums of money to "good cause"!

Recording everyone's browser history otoh, though titillating to be sure, doesn't yield much and actually drowns intelligence agencies in an ocean of useless data.

They had an episode about that on BBC Radio 2. There were people calling in who seriously said that it's ok that the government reads your data because "good people have nothing to hide"! Problem is that those who don't like their governments snooping around in their private e-mails or their porn site history will automatically become "bad people"!
Although I guess really bad people don't use e-mail or your standard phone service provider. Plus, how do you decide whether the rather innocent sounding "See you at the concert tonight" on social media sites is just that, people meeting at a concert or code for a terrorist attack.

Anyhow, I'm sure that those heads of state who denied migrants entry to their country are mildly celebrating right now over taking the right approach.
Also, what are the chances that other European countries are going to take in migrants now? Do they want to take the risk of importing terrorism or at least radical Islam? I don't think so.
 
I'm not sure I'd take a flesh wound to see Bono rubbed out but I'd be happy to pull the trigger.

And yeah - if the Americans want to have more fucking guns per person than mobiles and shoot each other its ok as long as I'm not there. But the trouble is they want to export the same mentality to the rest of the world.

And all the macho posing I see on facebook etc from idiots who want to "teach them a lesson" - ffs - shooting a committed suicide bomber is hardly a solution or even a punishment. Far better to force them to wear new ill fitting leather shoes - gemmed- without socks.
 
Just get a woman to shoot them - that way they don't get the blessings or go to paradise.
 
The problem is, that you can't predict whether or not the friendly Syrian and his 5 sons next door, on whom your government spent hundreds of thousands of Euro for their welfare and education, will not eventually turn into some fanatic lunatics when they realize that a Konzernprodukt® car and a house of their own is forever out of their reach, because they don't have the necessary skills to get a decently paid job. This has happened in the past and will happen even more so in the future.
The host nation has no control over the success of integration, as it's up to the respective migrants whether to accept it or not.
Chances are that the new arrivals will end up in some sort of ghetto in the outskirts of major cities, just like the migrants before them.
Poland, as the first European country, will not take in Syrian refugees. I'm sure others will follow.
Great, more 'fugees for Germany!
 
That's a bit silly from Poland seeing as half their young male population is either in the UK or Germany already. They should be the ones looking to import more Syrians to address their severe manpower shortages.

Sure they may have to join the Caliphate but they're used to being overrun throughout their history, and you can't argue with demographics.
 
That's a bit silly from Poland seeing as half their young male population is either in the UK or Germany already. They should be the ones looking to import more Syrians to address their severe manpower shortages.

Sure they may have to join the Caliphate but they're used to being overrun throughout their history, and you can't argue with demographics.

Given the latest tendencies in Germany and the UK, the young Poles might just as well return home.
In Germany the #newmigrants will sooner or later compete with them over jobs.
The UK government is apparently determined to blame migrants who claim benefits (even for kids in their home countries).
They even target those migrant who actually work and pay taxes.
The don't target the local suckers who are either (and/ or) too fat, too dumb, too lazy to work. Not to mention the vast number of single mums who manage to incorporate all of the aforementioned properties and cash in quite significant amounts of money.
I have an inkling why they are single mums, but why any man would actually shag those monstrosities in the first place is beyond me. I guess an overly large amount of alcohol consumption plays a major role.

Interestingly, a large number of migrants already living in Germany (and enjoying it's liberties) now feel threatened as well by the vast numbers of more, lets say, backwards thinking Muslims moving in. A lot of younger Muslim women do not cover their heads, faces or whole bodies, but might be forced to do so in fear of being attacked.
 
I think truth be told this is really a cultural, religious, and ethnic matter. The economic side, although doubtless important, has always been a bit a bit of a smokescreen on both sides. It has allowed both sides to frame their arguments in ways that are politically acceptable and of immediate concern.

I greatly fear that the problems we have seen in many European countries, often shockingly under-reported as it is, are going to increase markedly.

Indeed, this seems so obvious to me that the actions of the elites in bringing about this state of affairs are more plausibly explained by malice and uncaring ideology than they are by simple incompetence. A great many people, both natives and migrants, are pawns in what will I think turn out to be a very nasty game.
 
Russia's minister of defense is a Tuvan/Russian, a very Mogolian/Asian looking guy. Not the guy in the picture...
 
Given the latest tendencies in Germany and the UK, the young Poles might just as well return home.
In Germany the #newmigrants will sooner or later compete with them over jobs.
Looks like Poland has really rolled out the welcome mat for the refugees...

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Looks like Poland has really rolled out the welcome mat for the refugees...

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Ironically, getting migrants into work is seen by many "experts" as the best (and only way) to integrate them into the Western society.
It is strange, though, that the still existing flow of thousands of migrants per day is hardly reported about any more.
 

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