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doghouse said:
Trump Presidency Is a Global Threat, Economist Intelligence Unit Warns
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Well, they are British, so they know shit about how the economy will behave. And the UK economy can't get a lot worse.
Besides, since when are politicians alone responsible for economic crashes? Last time I checked it was bankers and Wall Street folk.
And the only reason why there will be a trade war with China (Trump or not) is the US' attempts to isolate them. See TTIP, TISA and TPP. They all exclude China, Russia, India and Brazil.
 
Scherensammler said:
And the UK economy can't get a lot worse.
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LOL. We are back into this silliness again I see. Ask Somalia their thoughts on the UK economy.

Scherensammler said:
Besides, since when are politicians alone responsible for economic crashes? Last time I checked it was bankers and Wall Street folk.
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<facepalm>

Scherensammler said:
And the only reason why there will be a trade war with China (Trump or not) is the US' attempts to isolate them. See TTIP, TISA and TPP. They all exclude China, Russia, India and Brazil.
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There is no trade war with China brewing. China needs us to buy their shit, and will for many, many years to come. We are a third of their exports just by ourselves. TPP is a rule setting device anyway, it isn't going to up any trade. China will most likely be in it soon regardless.

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Rain Man said:
("The military will do what I say." Really, asshole? Wanna bet?)
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What happened to that Commander-In-Chief hoohah that Mericans spouted for Bush? Seriously, the military is subservient to civilian control. Ask MacArthur.
Arnathor said:
Who has the will to boot out congress though?
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The Trump revolution is a purer, broader Tea Party movement. Expect several incumbent cuckservatives to be replaced in the midterm primaries.
Rambo said:
Trump is going to WRECK Hillary in the general.
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This is true.
Donald Trump Is Shocking, Vulgar and Right
Republicans will say almost anything about Hillary, but almost none challenge her basic competence. She may be evil, but she’s tough and accomplished... Trump doesn’t think Hillary is impressive and strong. He sees her as brittle and afraid...Trump said Hillary had been “schlonged” by Obama in the 2008 race. In response, the Clinton campaign called Trump a sexist. It’s a charge Hillary has leveled against virtually every opponent she’s faced, but Trump responded differently. Instead of scrambling to donate to breast cancer research, he pointed out that Hillary spent years attacking the alleged victims of her husband’s sexual assaults. That ended the conversation almost immediately.
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The joke, here, is that the civilian leadership doesn't see this happening. Most of the leaders on the Right yelling the loudest for WAR! NOW! never served, nor do any of them even have kids who served. Plenty of Democrat vets, though, funny enough. And they're hesitant to send us to war. Across the board, it seems. They want to see more information before deciding these things. Figure that one out.

The war-lovers and podium-thumpers on the Right (who keep voting down veterans' benefits, naturally) don't -- can't -- understand the shift in mentality of the U.S. military. They don't see it; they're working off old data. And they're in for a shock if they think the next war will go the way of the last one. Yes, we'll do our jobs as required by law, but that "legal" part is the big catch.

And you can expect the intelligence community to call bullshit when they see it. Civilian leadership hasn't come to terms with that, yet, either.
 
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doghouse said:
Wat?
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My bad; I checked this and it was wrong.

It does seem to hold for the loudest historical pro-war shouters.

Democrats:
  • Rick Noriega, Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from Texas -- joined the U.S. Army in 1979; currently Lt. Colonel in Texas Army National Guard, served in Afghanistan. (1)
  • Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) -- rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts. (1)
  • Representative Tim Walz, D-MN - Twenty-four years of service in the Army National Guard, retiring in 2005.
  • Representative Joe Sestak, D-PA - 31 years of service in the Navy, rising to the rank of Vice Admiral.
  • Representative Chris Carney, D-PA - Lieutenant Commander in the United States Naval Reserve, Carney served multiple tours overseas and was activated for Operation Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle, and Southern Watch.
  • Representative Patrick Murphy, D-PA - extensive career in the U.S. Army from 1993-2004; earned Bronze Star and Presidential Unit Citation.
  • Representative Phil Hare, D-IL - Served in the United States Army Reserve for six years.
  • Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. (1)
  • Former House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
  • Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
  • Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
  • Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
  • Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
  • Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
  • Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
  • Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
  • Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)
  • Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) - U.S. Army Reserve, 1968-1975.
  • Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
  • Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
  • Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
  • Former Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)
  • Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
  • Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
  • Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
  • Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
  • Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
  • Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
  • Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - 38-year career of public service in the Army, culminating as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.
Republicans:
  • Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC - did not serve. Saw fit to endanger American troops' lives after a visit to Iraq by violating operational security and helping militias target their mortar attacks on the Green Zone.
  • Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
  • Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.
  • Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
  • Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.
  • National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.
  • House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
  • House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.
  • House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.
  • House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.
  • National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.
  • Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.
  • Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
  • Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.
  • Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
    Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
  • Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
  • Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
  • Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
  • Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve.
  • Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
  • George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)
  • Former Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
  • GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
  • VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
  • Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State
  • Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)
    Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1),
  • Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
  • Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
  • "B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
  • Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
  • Congressman Ron Paul - active duty flight surgeon from 1963-65; Air National Guard from 1965-68. (link)
  • Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
  • Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
  • Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc.
  • Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
  • Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
  • Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.
 
Rain Man said:
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I mean dude, John McCain ran for president and is about the most famous vet in the country. My current congressman was Marine Reserve and his son is active duty USMC.

That list is gibberish like the code pink morons.
 
Rain Man said:
Fair enough.
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I'm not playing into the stereotype all the Dem's are sissies or anything, don't get me wrong. There very well could be more of them that are vets.

Honestly, the entire government is way less hawkish than 10 years ago after a tiring pointless war. You couldn't muster any sort of votes for that shit today if you tried, regardless of a few of the chicken hawks protestations.
 
doghouse said:
I'm not playing into the stereotype all the Dem's are sissies or anything, don't get me wrong. There very well could be more of them that are vets.

Honestly, the entire government is way less hawkish than 10 years ago after a tiring pointless war. You couldn't muster any sort of votes for that shit today if you tried, regardless of a few of the chicken hawks protestations.
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Let's hope so. I'm sure we'll see.
 
Luckily, Germany stays out of international conflicts, at least when it comes to actual fighting/ bombing.
And for a reason. The Bundeswehr was designed to defend Germany and not to operate in foreign countries.
And we're lucky that nobody attacked us. Based on my infantry training (mostly indoors, cleaning guns that had hardly been used again and again), I would not have survived for long. The shots I've fired at standing targets are probably a lot less than 500, and that includes the fake plastic ammo we used. And I did more shooting than the regular BW soldier.
Due to budget cuts the Bundeswehr is now hardly operational. The latest embarrassment was the participation of the Luftwaffe in Syria. Only a few Tornado air planes were actually operational, and only during the day.
Some German soldiers are still stationed in Afghanistan, many come back with mental problems. They have not been prepared for the gruesome attacks, it was supposed to be a peace keeping mission. Apparently, nobody told the Taliban.

So if Trump gets elected and does get along with Putin, maybe all this warmongering can come to an end.
His problem will be to find decent ministers and advisers. From what I can see so far, right now many of them are just too much lobbyists to do any good for the public.

I don't think that China will be included in any of the new, upcoming trade treaties. They are mostly drafted to cater to the needs of US corporations, with the ability to actually sue a country should it dare to oppose the shitty US standards and threaten profits.
Chinese corporations are still mostly state owned, and if they get threatened by a foreign corporation it's quite easy to figure out what's going to happen. Good luck trying to take the Chinese government to court.
 
Scherensammler said:
They are mostly drafted to cater to the needs of US corporations, with the ability to actually sue a country should it dare to oppose the shitty US standards and threaten profits.
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They actually hurt US corporations in several ways. The best they can be seen as is a wash. The biggest beneficiary is foreign workers who are getting a pay raise. The upside for the average joe in the US is they have slightly less guilt buying their Vietnamese made clothing.The thing the bleaters miss is we are already trading with these people wide open. That ship has sailed. Passing the TPP or not isn't going to change that.

China will want the same efficiency gains these partnerships bring, I would say in the next decade the two Asian trade blocs will effectively merge. It was all about who was writing the rules. If the US hadn't been so stubborn to start, the TPP never would have even happened.
 
I'm sitting here with a bottle of bourbon, a day off, and Donald Trump's cell phone number.

What to do today . . . what to do . . ..
 
prince nez said:
Lol for a minute there I thought this was one of Trump's own campaign ads...

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They forgot to mention that both have written a very successful book and are very good at bragging.
I just wished that back in the 1930's someone in the US or the British Empire had taken the time to read "Mein Kampf", which pretty much described the Nazi mindset in general. They could have stopped Adolf very early in the process.
 
LION GUARD IS BORN

I could take these retards more seriously if their site didn't read like an Orwellian Dr. Bronner's soap label.

Please, God. Please please please let me catch some asshammer in uniform with one of these patches on his gear. Just one.

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I'm sensing a grave disturbance in The Force. As if thousands of Disney attorneys cried out in terror and suddenly started working overtime.
 
Mike Murphy with a phenomenal quote.

Being a student of political history, he pines for the days when there were no primaries. "You'd just pack a quart of liquor, a revolver, and go to the convention."
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The narrative colllapses as African American Trump supporter attacks racially inciteful white protester.
Trump supporters charged with assault for rally attacks
Amateur video from earlier in the rally appears to show Sanders accompanying a woman who was wearing a hood in the style of the Ku Klux Klan, as she makes what appears to be a Nazi-style salute. It appears the sign Sanders was carrying was a picture of Trump with the Confederate flag superimposed on top.
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Note that Sanders is the honky protestor, who'd been at a Bernie event the night before.
 
prince nez said:
How ironic Trump speaking at AIPAC - who's their next guest speaker? Goebbles? Zhirik??
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Trump's daughter, Ivanka, converted to Judaism some years ago, before marrying her husband. I remember reading that Ivanka's husband (also a real estate developer) has donated quite a bit to the US Democratic Party in the past, so I don't know what family dinners are like in the Trump household.
 
I haven't ever witnessed primaries dragging on so much they make New York significant.

I can see it's Hillary's "home state" since she was Senator there and seemed to continue residing there after that. Can't see it as Sanders' home. Where are all these ethnic minorities in New York?

Trump needs to campaign in his home state? You mean people in New York don't know who Trump is and his "New York values"?!
 
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