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I agree that Trump must have some level of intellectual and social skills to have gotten him to where he is in life but we have to assume this to be true because his run through the primaries has been devoid of those good qualities. But appearing unintelligent, subliterate and unworldly may be a brilliant gambit. Though it think its effectiveness may be waning

Not particularly. I'd say quite the opposite, he has really underperformed as a businessman, in basically all respects possible. He started with such a big sum that if he just put it in the stock market and did nothing for the past 40 years he'd have around 4 times as much money. He's actaully lost money by being in business. And in his supposed business, development, he has massively under performed to the point of being outright bad at it. Something to the tune of 20 times below expectation. This also happens to be my business so I am fairly aware of what results he should be seeing. Trump does nothing but brand things these days, he has no actual business.


You took the blue pill, huh? Does the stupor feel good?

Seems to me you are the one having much difficulty at life, while I am the one who seems to just easily succeed in all these areas that trouble you, so you might want to reconsider who is the sharp one here.
 
Not particularly. I'd say quite the opposite, he has really underperformed as a businessman, in basically all respects possible. He started with such a big sum that if he just put it in the stock market and did nothing for the past 40 years he'd have around 4 times as much money. He's actaully lost money by being in business. And in his supposed business, development, he has massively under performed to the point of being outright bad at it. Something to the tune of 20 times below expectation. This also happens to be my business so I am fairly aware of what results he should be seeing. Trump does nothing but brand things these days, he has no actual business.




Seems to me you are the one having much difficulty at life, while I am the one who seems to just easily succeed in all these areas that trouble you, so you might want to reconsider who is the sharp one here.

I am just taking Trump and COG at their word. Trump says he is great, his business is great, his steaks are great, America will be great again. Cog says all Trumps "greats" are great.

So it must be all great, no?
 
I am just taking Trump and COG at their word. Trump says he is great, his business is great, his steaks are great, America will be great again. Cog says all Trumps "greats" are great.

So it must be all great, no?

The greatest great. So much great. The best great.
 
He started with such a big sum that if he just put it in the stock market and did nothing for the past 40 years he'd have around 4 times as much money.
Oh please, great one, tell us where you get these numbers!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Business_career
Fred and Donald Trump became involved in the project and, with a $500,000 investment, turned the 1,200-unit complex's occupancy rate from 34% to 100%. Trump has said that when he graduated from college in 1968, he was worth about US$200,000 (equivalent to $1,021,000 in 2015).[33] In 1972, The Trump Organization sold Swifton Village for $6.75 million.[34][35]...The late 1990s saw a resurgence in Trump's financial situation. The will of Trump's father, who died in 1999, divided an estate estimated at $250–300 million[16] equally among his four surviving children.
How does this get to 4.5 to 9 billion? Did these siblings take your investment advice and get four times richer than Donald? Nope.

And the taco bowls are great, so presumably the steaks are too.
 
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This is one of the more accurate things I've come across they really lays out how ignorant people have gotten about how our system is supposed to work, meant to post it last weekend but got sidetracked.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/how-american-politics-went-insane/485570/
This was the biggest pile of dogshit you've linked to in a LONG time. I'll let Taibbi take it from here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...p-another-dangerous-movement-appears-20160630

In Response to Trump, Another Dangerous Movement Appears
Fears of demagoguery are provoking a frightening swing in the other direction

BY MATT TAIBBI June 30, 2016

The "too much democracy" train rolls on.

Last week's Brexit vote prompted pundits and social media mavens to wonder aloud if allowing dumb people to vote is a good thing.

Now, the cover story in The Atlanticmagazine features the most aggressive offering yet in an alarming series of intellectual-class jeremiads against the dangers of democracy.

In "How American Politics Went Insane," Brookings Institute Fellow Jonathan Rauch spends many thousands of words arguing for the reinvigoration of political machines, as a means of keeping the ape-citizen further from power.

He portrays the public as a gang of nihilistic loonies determined to play mailbox baseball with the gears of state.

"Neurotic hatred of the political class is the country's last universally acceptable form of bigotry," he writes, before concluding:

"Our most pressing political problem today is that the country abandoned the establishment, not the other way around."

Rauch's audacious piece, much like Andrew Sullivan's clarion call for a less-democratic future in New York magazine ("Democracies end when they are too democratic"), is not merely a warning about the threat posed to civilization by demagogues like Donald Trump.

It's a sweeping argument against a whole host of democratic initiatives, from increased transparency to reducing money in politics to the phasing out of bagmen and ward-heelers at the local level. These things have all destabilized America, Rauch insists.

It's a piece that praises Boss Tweed's Tammany Hall (it was good for the Irish!), the smoke-filled room (good for "brokering complex compromises"), and pork (it helps "glue Congress together" by giving members "a kind of currency to trade").

Rauch even chokes multiple times on the word "corruption," seeming reluctant to even mention the concept without shrouding it in flurries of caveats. When he talks about the "ever-present potential for corruption" that political middlemen pose, he's quick to note the converse also applies (emphasis mine):

"Overreacting to the threat of corruption… is just as harmful. Political contributions, for example, look unseemly, but they play a vital role aspolitical bonding agents."

The basic thrust is that shadowy back-room mechanisms, which Rauch absurdly describes as being relics of a lost era, have a positive role and must be brought back.

He argues back-room relationships and payoffs at least committed the actors involved to action. Meanwhile, all the transparency and sunshine and access the public is always begging for leads mainly to gridlock and frustration.

In one passage, Rauch blames gridlock on the gerrymandering that renders most congressional elections meaningless. In a scandal that should get more media play, Democrats and Republicans have divvied up territory to make most House districts "safe" for one party or another. Only about 10 to 20 percent of races are really contested in any given year (one estimate in 2014 described an incredible 408 of the 435 races as "noncompetitive").

As Rauch notes, meaningless general elections make primaries the main battlegrounds. This puts pressure on party candidates to drift to extremes:

"Walled safely inside their gerrymandered districts, incumbents are insulated from general-election challenges that might pull them toward the political center, but they are perpetually vulnerable to primary challenges from extremists who pull them toward the fringes.

"Everyone worries about being the next Eric Cantor, the Republican House majority leader who, in a shocking upset, lost to an unknown Tea Partier in his 2014 primary."

Most people would look at a problem like this and conclude that the solution, if one is needed (is the defeat of a supercilious reptile like Eric Cantor really a bad thing?), would be to end crooked gerrymandering.

Not Rauch. He leans more toward blaming the decision to allow direct-voting primary processes in the first place. His piece longs for a time when party insiders were free to pick candidates without interference.

He gushes, for instance, over a passage in a biography of George H.W. Bush that describes how his daddy, Prescott Bush, got into politics:

"Samuel F. Pryor, a top Pan Am executive and a mover in Connecticut politics, called Prescott to ask whether Bush might like to run for Congress. 'If you would,' Pryor said, 'I think we can assure you that you'll be the nominee.'"

Commenting on this, Rauch writes, with undisguised sadness:

"Today, party insiders can still jawbone a little bit, but, as the 2016 presidential race has made all too clear, there is startlingly little they can do to influence the nominating process."

You see, we would never have to risk these Trump/Bernie Sanders episodes at all, if only there was no voting and we turned over the process to insiders sipping highballs in a Pan Am executive's basement!

Rauch views Sanders as the flip side of the Trumpian coin. Both men, he says, "have demonstrated that the major political parties no longer have intelligible boundaries or enforceable norms."

So what does Rauch propose to do about these usurpers who come out of nowhere, and, without so much as the permission of a Pan Am executive, run for public office?

One of Rauch's solutions is to force candidates to get permission slips to go on the electoral field trip:

"There are all kinds of ways the parties could move insiders back to the center of the nomination process. If they wanted to, they could require would-be candidates to get petition signatures from elected officials and county party chairs…"

Rauch compares "outsiders" and "amateurs" to viruses that get into the body, and describes the institutions that failed to prevent the likes of Trump from being nominated as being like the national immune system. Revolt against party insiders is therefore comparable to "abusing and attacking your own immune system."

This lurid metaphor is going to be compelling to a lot of people when Donald Trump is still moving in the direction of the nuclear football. But these "too much democracy" critics all leave out a key part of the story: It's all bull.

Voters in America not only aren't over-empowered, they've for decades now been almost totally disenfranchised, subjects of one of the more brilliant change-suppressing systems ever invented.

We have periodic elections, which leave citizens with the feeling of self-rule. But in reality people are only allowed to choose between candidates carefully screened by wealthy donors. Nobody without a billion dollars and the approval of a half-dozen giant media companies has any chance at high office.

People have no other source of influence. Unions have been crushed. Nobody has any job security. Main Street institutions that once allowed people to walk down the road to sort things out with other human beings have been phased out. In their place now rest distant, unfeeling global bureaucracies.

Has a health insurance company wrongly denied your sick child coverage? Good luck even getting someone on the phone to talk it over, much less get it sorted out. Your neighborhood bank, once a relatively autonomous mechanism for stimulating the local economy, is now a glorified ATM machine with limited ability to respond to a community's most basic financial concerns.

One of the underpublicized revelations of the financial crisis, for instance, was that millions of Americans found themselves unable to get answers to a simple questions like, "Who holds the note to my house?"

People want more power over their own lives. They want to feel some connection to society. Most particularly, they don't want to be dictated to by distant bureaucrats who don't seem to care what they're going through, and think they know what's best for everyone.

These are legitimate concerns. Unfortunately, they came out in this past year in the campaign of Donald Trump, who'd exposed a tiny flaw in the system.

People are still free to vote, and some peculiarities in the structure of the commercial media, combined with mountains of public anger, conspired to put one of the two parties in the hands of a coverage-devouring billionaire running on a "Purge the Scum" platform.

But choosing a dangerous race-baiting lunatic as the vehicle for the first successful revolt in ages against one of the two major parties will have many profound negative consequences for voters. The most serious will surely be this burgeoning movement to describe voting and democracy as inherently dangerous.

Donald Trump is dangerous because as president, he'd likely have little respect for law. But a gang of people whose metaphor for society is "We are the white cells, voters are the disease" is comparably scary in its own banal, less click-generating way.

These self-congratulating congoscenti could have looked at the events of the last year and wondered why people were so angry with them, and what they could do to make government work better for the population.

Instead, their first instinct is to dismiss voter concerns as baseless, neurotic bigotry and to assume that the solution is to give Washington bureaucrats even more leeway to blow off the public. In the absurdist comedy that is American political life, this is the ultimate anti-solution to the unrest of the last year, the mathematically perfect wrong ending.

Trump is going to lose this election, then live on as the reason for an emboldened, even less-responsive oligarchy. And you thought this election season couldn't get any worse.
 
Boris Johnson isn't running to be the Tory leader. What pray tell was he doing pandering and upstaging Cameron during the whole Brexit fiasco? Honestly - he just wanted more papers and television cameras on him? What a wank.
 
This was the biggest pile of dogshit you've linked to in a LONG time. I'll let Taibbi take it from here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...p-another-dangerous-movement-appears-20160630

In Response to Trump, Another Dangerous Movement Appears
Fears of demagoguery are provoking a frightening swing in the other direction

BY MATT TAIBBI June 30, 2016

The "too much democracy" train rolls on.

Last week's Brexit vote prompted pundits and social media mavens to wonder aloud if allowing dumb people to vote is a good thing.

Now, the cover story in The Atlanticmagazine features the most aggressive offering yet in an alarming series of intellectual-class jeremiads against the dangers of democracy.

In "How American Politics Went Insane," Brookings Institute Fellow Jonathan Rauch spends many thousands of words arguing for the reinvigoration of political machines, as a means of keeping the ape-citizen further from power.

He portrays the public as a gang of nihilistic loonies determined to play mailbox baseball with the gears of state.

"Neurotic hatred of the political class is the country's last universally acceptable form of bigotry," he writes, before concluding:

"Our most pressing political problem today is that the country abandoned the establishment, not the other way around."

Rauch's audacious piece, much like Andrew Sullivan's clarion call for a less-democratic future in New York magazine ("Democracies end when they are too democratic"), is not merely a warning about the threat posed to civilization by demagogues like Donald Trump.

It's a sweeping argument against a whole host of democratic initiatives, from increased transparency to reducing money in politics to the phasing out of bagmen and ward-heelers at the local level. These things have all destabilized America, Rauch insists.

It's a piece that praises Boss Tweed's Tammany Hall (it was good for the Irish!), the smoke-filled room (good for "brokering complex compromises"), and pork (it helps "glue Congress together" by giving members "a kind of currency to trade").

Rauch even chokes multiple times on the word "corruption," seeming reluctant to even mention the concept without shrouding it in flurries of caveats. When he talks about the "ever-present potential for corruption" that political middlemen pose, he's quick to note the converse also applies (emphasis mine):

"Overreacting to the threat of corruption… is just as harmful. Political contributions, for example, look unseemly, but they play a vital role aspolitical bonding agents."

The basic thrust is that shadowy back-room mechanisms, which Rauch absurdly describes as being relics of a lost era, have a positive role and must be brought back.

He argues back-room relationships and payoffs at least committed the actors involved to action. Meanwhile, all the transparency and sunshine and access the public is always begging for leads mainly to gridlock and frustration.

In one passage, Rauch blames gridlock on the gerrymandering that renders most congressional elections meaningless. In a scandal that should get more media play, Democrats and Republicans have divvied up territory to make most House districts "safe" for one party or another. Only about 10 to 20 percent of races are really contested in any given year (one estimate in 2014 described an incredible 408 of the 435 races as "noncompetitive").

As Rauch notes, meaningless general elections make primaries the main battlegrounds. This puts pressure on party candidates to drift to extremes:

"Walled safely inside their gerrymandered districts, incumbents are insulated from general-election challenges that might pull them toward the political center, but they are perpetually vulnerable to primary challenges from extremists who pull them toward the fringes.

"Everyone worries about being the next Eric Cantor, the Republican House majority leader who, in a shocking upset, lost to an unknown Tea Partier in his 2014 primary."

Most people would look at a problem like this and conclude that the solution, if one is needed (is the defeat of a supercilious reptile like Eric Cantor really a bad thing?), would be to end crooked gerrymandering.

Not Rauch. He leans more toward blaming the decision to allow direct-voting primary processes in the first place. His piece longs for a time when party insiders were free to pick candidates without interference.

He gushes, for instance, over a passage in a biography of George H.W. Bush that describes how his daddy, Prescott Bush, got into politics:

"Samuel F. Pryor, a top Pan Am executive and a mover in Connecticut politics, called Prescott to ask whether Bush might like to run for Congress. 'If you would,' Pryor said, 'I think we can assure you that you'll be the nominee.'"

Commenting on this, Rauch writes, with undisguised sadness:

"Today, party insiders can still jawbone a little bit, but, as the 2016 presidential race has made all too clear, there is startlingly little they can do to influence the nominating process."

You see, we would never have to risk these Trump/Bernie Sanders episodes at all, if only there was no voting and we turned over the process to insiders sipping highballs in a Pan Am executive's basement!

Rauch views Sanders as the flip side of the Trumpian coin. Both men, he says, "have demonstrated that the major political parties no longer have intelligible boundaries or enforceable norms."

So what does Rauch propose to do about these usurpers who come out of nowhere, and, without so much as the permission of a Pan Am executive, run for public office?

One of Rauch's solutions is to force candidates to get permission slips to go on the electoral field trip:

"There are all kinds of ways the parties could move insiders back to the center of the nomination process. If they wanted to, they could require would-be candidates to get petition signatures from elected officials and county party chairs…"

Rauch compares "outsiders" and "amateurs" to viruses that get into the body, and describes the institutions that failed to prevent the likes of Trump from being nominated as being like the national immune system. Revolt against party insiders is therefore comparable to "abusing and attacking your own immune system."

This lurid metaphor is going to be compelling to a lot of people when Donald Trump is still moving in the direction of the nuclear football. But these "too much democracy" critics all leave out a key part of the story: It's all bull.

Voters in America not only aren't over-empowered, they've for decades now been almost totally disenfranchised, subjects of one of the more brilliant change-suppressing systems ever invented.

We have periodic elections, which leave citizens with the feeling of self-rule. But in reality people are only allowed to choose between candidates carefully screened by wealthy donors. Nobody without a billion dollars and the approval of a half-dozen giant media companies has any chance at high office.

People have no other source of influence. Unions have been crushed. Nobody has any job security. Main Street institutions that once allowed people to walk down the road to sort things out with other human beings have been phased out. In their place now rest distant, unfeeling global bureaucracies.

Has a health insurance company wrongly denied your sick child coverage? Good luck even getting someone on the phone to talk it over, much less get it sorted out. Your neighborhood bank, once a relatively autonomous mechanism for stimulating the local economy, is now a glorified ATM machine with limited ability to respond to a community's most basic financial concerns.

One of the underpublicized revelations of the financial crisis, for instance, was that millions of Americans found themselves unable to get answers to a simple questions like, "Who holds the note to my house?"

People want more power over their own lives. They want to feel some connection to society. Most particularly, they don't want to be dictated to by distant bureaucrats who don't seem to care what they're going through, and think they know what's best for everyone.

These are legitimate concerns. Unfortunately, they came out in this past year in the campaign of Donald Trump, who'd exposed a tiny flaw in the system.

People are still free to vote, and some peculiarities in the structure of the commercial media, combined with mountains of public anger, conspired to put one of the two parties in the hands of a coverage-devouring billionaire running on a "Purge the Scum" platform.

But choosing a dangerous race-baiting lunatic as the vehicle for the first successful revolt in ages against one of the two major parties will have many profound negative consequences for voters. The most serious will surely be this burgeoning movement to describe voting and democracy as inherently dangerous.

Donald Trump is dangerous because as president, he'd likely have little respect for law. But a gang of people whose metaphor for society is "We are the white cells, voters are the disease" is comparably scary in its own banal, less click-generating way.

These self-congratulating congoscenti could have looked at the events of the last year and wondered why people were so angry with them, and what they could do to make government work better for the population.

Instead, their first instinct is to dismiss voter concerns as baseless, neurotic bigotry and to assume that the solution is to give Washington bureaucrats even more leeway to blow off the public. In the absurdist comedy that is American political life, this is the ultimate anti-solution to the unrest of the last year, the mathematically perfect wrong ending.

Trump is going to lose this election, then live on as the reason for an emboldened, even less-responsive oligarchy. And you thought this election season couldn't get any worse.

Lol, I'm so glad you picked that article.

You seriously keep posting shit that is proving what I am telling you in both of these threads. People are trying to educate people on what exactly our democracy is, which is representative, not direct. And it is a very good thing as direct democracy is a hilariously bad system of governance. The entire framework set up by our founders was specifically aimed to toe the line between liberty and functionality, and a representative democracy with robust checks is what we have. Referendums and direct primaries are idiotic ways of doing business. The entire system is predicated on having professional governance by people who are skilled at the business of governance, because, no the average person isn't informed enough to make these sorts of decisions.

Just like people invent narratives like rigged systems to sooth themselves over their own failures, they invented stories about our political system to cover the fact the have elected complete shit heads to lead them. We don't need anymore participation in primaries or ballot referendums, we need to elect people that don't suck.

If you could read one OpEd writer on the entire internet, it should be Dan Drezner, who has top insight and, god forbid, understands nuance, and who just happend to single out how fucking retarded the article you just posted was. I'm sure you have some wack ball blog that says he is the devil for being to knowledgable or some shit though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/28/regarding-brexit-democracy-and-elitism/

So consider this an anti-anti-anti-democratic argument, because Taibbi mangles his argument so badly that I wonder if it was intended to be some Swiftian satire gone very, very wrong.
 
The Athenians tried true democracy and then found out it was a full time job for every voting male to attend the demos and be intelligent in voting. Of course these male citizens also had a cotterie of slaves and helots so perhaps they had the time to do democracy.
 
Taibbi is dead on, except in thinking that Trump will not be the next president. Trump is way ahead in swing states, and the poll-rigging can only help suppress the truth for so long.

No surprises that this other guy is echoing and wrongheaded. Like supported the Iraq War and literally wrote an apologist book entitled "The System Worked: How the World Stopped Another Great Depression" about how everything is fine, hey it coulda been worse! Hooray for everything, but Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_W._Drezner
 
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I do hope that the Chelsea's husband thing gains traction. Nobody cares about e-mails, but everybody hates a hedge fund manager.
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The famous Oz Democracy Sausage

http://democracysausage.org/

Its Federal/National election day in Australia.
We should know by 10 pm ................or not.

Anyone from here will recognise these scenes


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OMG!!! TRUMP BOUGHT A HELMET WITH FOUNDATION MONEY! OH TEH HORROR!!!!1
 
We have compulsory voting here and always on a Saturday from 8am till 6pm. You can pre vote by mail or some booths soon after election is announced - early. But early votes are counted later.

In the city there is an effort to have polling booths within walking distance of most people - hence they are in Primary Schools and Church halls often. Local schools etc have traditionally used the occasion to have a sausage sizzle - cake stall etc and raise a bit of money for themselves. Plus its a real social occasion.

All organisation etc is run by the Australian Electoral Commission an independent body that oversees elections and mechanisms and disputed returns and adjusts electoral boundaries, relatively frequently, as population changes to get close to making "one vote one value" - so electoral boundaries can - and do shift - from election to election - especially in high growth areas or areas of shrinking population.
 
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Compulsory? Is that backed up with a threat like jail time or a fine? That's what they do here with the census.

Electoral commissions can be influenced by an incumbent government stacking it with "favourable" appointees so I don't think re-zoning of ridings (districts?) is entirely based on population patterns. The worst example is in the States.

I don't think I've ever voted outside a rec centre, school or church.
 
Compulsory? Is that backed up with a threat like jail time or a fine? That's what they do here with the census.

Electoral commissions can be influenced by an incumbent government stacking it with "favourable" appointees so I don't think re-zoning of ridings (districts?) is entirely based on population patterns. The worst example is in the States.

I don't think I've ever voted outside a rec centre, school or church.

$20 fine. $50 for repeat offenders
 
Compulsory? Is that backed up with a threat like jail time or a fine? That's what they do here with the census.

Electoral commissions can be influenced by an incumbent government stacking it with "favourable" appointees so I don't think re-zoning of ridings (districts?) is entirely based on population patterns. The worst example is in the States.

I don't think I've ever voted outside a rec centre, school or church.
the penalty is only $20 = 5 x long machiato. So not much of a real deterent. But people see voting as a privelige and social obligation. In truth you don't have to vote. Only have to turn up, get name crossed off list, and stuff ballot paper in the box. You can put nothing on paper, write rude words on it or the traditional Australian protest draw a cock and balls on it. I've been a scrutineer a few times and it's amazing what people write on ballot papers.

The electoral commission can't be stacked as its and independent quango and people aren't "appointed" by politicians. The electoral boundaries are decided by a formula and process that is open and transparent.

Voting is also compulsory in state and local governments and is also overseen by the AEC. You can also contract with the AEC to run your organization's elections, or unions elections etc.
 
A few facts might be in order


Name changesEdit

The ALP adopted the formal name "Australian Labour Party" in 1908, but changed the spelling to "Labor" in 1912. While it is standard practice in Australian English both today and at the time to spell the word "labour" with a "u", the party was influenced by the United States labor movement, and a prominent figure in the early history of the party, the American-born King O'Malley, was successful in having the spelling "modernised".[15]The change also made it easier to distinguish references to the party from the labour movement in general.[16] (See also Spelling in Australian English.)

In South Australia the United Labor Party became the South Australian branch of the Australian Labor Party on 14 September 1917.[17]
 
For close elections, I'd rather go to bed early and get the 5am news. Usually one or two polling stations hold out until the bitter end because they made an error and need to recount or some car carrying the ballot boxes gets a flat tire or some other calamity.
 
Fwiffo it won't be known about lower house seats until Tuesday at least and then there might be a recount. If it's close by Tuesday it might even take longer to form government as no one of the two majors may have a majority. The conservatives (The Liberals) are already in a coalition. The centrist leftish party (Labor) is not in coalition. If both have same or near numbers then they will have to negotiate with small partys to be able to form government. The government has to supply the speaker so that puts them one vote down.
 
It's interesting how most aussie parties are still not concerned about stopping the selling off of our aussie farms overseas to China and other places. Do the bigger parties serve the globalisation agenda of the elites with the aim to abolish nationalism and patriotism by selling off Oz?,....sounds like it, and the average aussie bloke still supports the parties who do this. Aussie blokes vote for their enslavers who watch over `the system' for the `establishment'. Aussie blokes support parties who sell off Australia. The aussie parties use distractions like same sex marriage issues etc to avoid the real big issues and the aussie blokes fall for it and continue to support parties selling off Oz.
 
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Fwiffo it won't be known about lower house seats until Tuesday at least and then there might be a recount. If it's close by Tuesday it might even take longer to form government as no one of the two majors may have a majority. The conservatives (The Liberals) are already in a coalition. The centrist leftish party (Labor) is not in coalition. If both have same or near numbers then they will have to negotiate with small partys to be able to form government. The government has to supply the speaker so that puts them one vote down.

How's my mate going up in QLD?
 
Feel free to verify amongst yourselves

http://yournewswire.com/almost-one-million-bernie-sanders-ballots-illegally-shredded/
Almost One Million Bernie Sanders Ballots Illegally Shredded

Posted on July 4, 2016 by Baxter Dmitry in News, US // 15 Comments

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A San Diego County Registrar insider claims that hundreds of thousands of California Democratic primary provisional ballots have been illegally destroyed in a covert shredding operation.


A consignment of boxes was delivered to the San Diego Registrar’s Office at 5600 Overland Ave in the morning and an “oversized shredding van” arrived minutes later and took the boxes away. The boxes were carried from the building to the vehicle by men she had never seen before wearing dark blue overalls.

“I asked my boss and a few other people what the boxes were about because as far as I knew we weren’t expecting a delivery and I got told that it was above top secret and I didn’t have clearance. Everyone was acting edgy then the truck drove off. Sad.”

“Everybody is talking about it.”

While there could be a innocent explanation for why a paper shredding truck was parked in front of the Registrar’s office after the Registrar received an “above top secret” consignment of boxes at a time when there are almost a million provisional ballots unaccounted for, the insider believes they were provisional ballots that have now been destroyed.



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The truck bearing the slogan: Because the Outcome has to be Certain!!!

Let’s look at the math. Alex Padilla California’s Secretary of State publicly said:


“6 million ballots had already been counted from the statewide primary. The uncounted tally would push total voter turn out to about 8.5 Million, or 47% of all registered voters.”

This comes directly from the horse’s mouth. Let’s break this down further, using figures from the official count:

June 7th: before any late mail in ballots or any provisional ballots were counted Hillary had 1,940,580 and Bernie had 1,502,043. That equals 3,442,623 votes in the official count.

So why did Alex Padilla say six million ballots had already been counted when the total was closer to 3.5 Million?

As of today (July 3rd) Hillary 2,713,259 and Bernie 2,326,030 according to the official count. That equals 5,039,289 Votes.

This is a total increase of 1,596,666.

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Even if you add in the remaining 287,782 ballots still to be counted, plus the REP votes of 2,188,201 plus IND of 41,508, plus the Green of 14,189 plus the LIB of 29,551 plus the P&F of 4,929 – you come up with 7,605,449. Where are the rest of the votes?

Greg Palast, an independent journalist who exposed purges of voter rolls in George W. Bush-era Florida, lent his voice to the argument in an article late last month titled “How Bernie won California.” His evidence was the number of provisional ballots – cast by people who did not appear on the rolls, with the promise that their vote would be counted later – and the difficulty that voters with “no party preference” had in casting the right ballots.

“I can tell you this: Senator Sanders won California,” Palast said. “Let me do the math for you. Most of those late mailed-in ballots were what are called NPP, No Party Preference. These independent ballots were the ones that came in late because people had to switch their ballots. It’s a complex process, in California, that’s all I can tell you. The late ballots are Sanders ballots.”
 
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/0...t-to-attorney-general-escapes-indictment.html

Clinton Offers New Contract To Attorney General - Escapes Indictment

Hillary Clinton is under federal investigation for using her private, insecure email server for classified State business. Anybody else handling classified official material on a private server would have at least lost their job and would likely be indicted. But Clinton is not anybody else. She has strings to pull. She has offers to make. And she is successfully doing such. Let's follow the trail.

Loretta Lynch held private talks with Bill Clinton aboard a plane in Phoenix while her department investigates Hillary

Attorney General Loretta Lynch, whose agency is investigating Hillary Clinton's email practices, spent about 30 minutes meeting with President Clinton while both of them were separately passing through Phoenix.
Clinton had landed ahead of the nation's top law enforcement officer, and waited for her arrival, a local affiliate ABC15 reported.

Lynch was in town for an event on community policing.

Clinton learned of her arrival, and decided to wait so they could meet, sources told the station.

'I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as he was leaving and spoke to myself and my husband on the plane,' Lynch said at a press conference when asked about the prolonged chat, which took place aboard a jet on the tarmac.

Clinton claimed he was in Phoenix for playing golf. It was some 106 degree Fahrenheit in Phoenix that day. Having been in and around Phoenix in such weather I am sure no one went for any longer walk during that day, or played golf.

After some media outrage Lynch tried to wiggle herself out of the calamity:

Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Friday that she will accept the decision of career prosecutors, investigators and FBI Director James Comey on whether to bring criminal charges in the ongoing investigation of Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State.
The unusual public announcement during an event in Aspen, Colo., comes as the attorney general faces a storm of criticism related to an awkward encounter with former president Bill Clinton after the two crossed paths earlier this week at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport.

Then, two days ago, the NYT had a piece on Clinton that mentions in passing a renewed job offer for Loretta Lynch should Clinton become president:

Democrats close to Mrs. Clinton say she may decide to retain Ms. Lynch, the nation’s first black woman to be attorney general, who took office in April 2015.
One and one is two. Lynch read that message and the director of the FBI, which is responsible to the Attorney General for its operations, received appropriate signals. The result:

F.B.I. Recommends No Charges Against Hillary Clinton for Use of Personal Email

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, on Tuesday said the F.B.I. is recommending no charges against Hillary Clinton for her use of a personal email server while secretary of state.
The statement by Mr. Comey concluded an investigation that began a year ago when the inspector general for the intelligence agencies told the Justice Department that he had found classified information among a small sampling of emails Mrs. Clinton had sent and received.

Comey also said this, which makes it clear that this is a very "special case" that would not pass the usually used criteria:

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.
Clinton broke the law, but the FBI finds "no intent" of her doing so. Willfully setting up a private email server for state business is against laws and regulations. Clinton did so for purely egoistic reasons. But that is not "intent" says Comey. Knowingly sending and receiving Top Secret information through it is not "intent" as the FBI defines it in this case. Other knowledgeable people differ. Destroying her State Department schedules must also have been without Clinton's "intent". Sure. As some Clinton once said, "it depends on what the meaning of the word is is."

The Clinton campaign is currently trying to smear Donald Trump as antisemitic because of some graphic his intern handling his Twitter account sent around. It depicted Clinton as bribable with money in the background and it included a red star. Now a red star is the insignia of the 6th Infantry Division, or just a red star from a clip art library, but the Clinton campaign and its followers alleged that the red star was signaling that Jews are bribing Clinton, which they do, after the yellow star used to mark Jews in the Nazi area. It is a typical smear campaign against Trump or anyone who does not prostate enough at relevant altar. But is that graphic really antisemitic and its misinterpretation Trump's fault?

Make no mistake about it, the Trump campaign has a serious antisemitism problem. But the question is, how much of it is Trump and how much of it is his supporters, and how much is torched off courtesy of Clinton, Trump’s myriad other political enemies, and a hostile media.
Is Trump the active impresario of an anti-Semitic movement?

The evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

Clinton's arrogant email handling and the string-pulling that saved her from indictment can not be attributed to some Trumpian antisemitism issue. Bringing that up was a diversion.

If the Trump campaign has some serious marketing players they will hammer home from now to November that Clinton's lax handling of message security is a danger to the nation and that her and her husband's seemingly crocked manipulations to escape indictment is disqualifying her for any higher job. Additionally a judge ruled today that Clinton's "private" emails will be open to FOIA requests. Some dirt will be found in them.

I find it quite possible that such a campaign would turn away enough voters from her to let her lose the general election.
 
I don't support Clinton or Trump because l think both are part of `the system' (Hillary is one of the elites and Trump panders to the elites IMO). I would think Trump is just a social experiment to see how the public react so the establishment can gather intelligence for future plans to control the public by strategizing. I couldn't imagine Trump being so successful financially if he didn't pander to the establishment and play their game. There is no way Trump could become president and make all the changes he wants to unless the establishment approves and allows it to happen. I do think everything Trump says is basically rubbish and that he has no intention of ever doing any such things. I did say a few months ago that l think Trump is an actor of the establishment and is one of `them' (establishment person and controlled), and l do think the elites chose Hillary to go to the white house years ago and the election will be fixed to allow her to do so.

Hey, l could be wrong, but l would be very surprised if l were.

I don't need conspiracy sites to tell me anything, it's my intuition that tells me think this way. It seems very obvious, and l am greatly surprised people actually thinks this Trump show is for real. Hillary will never be charged for anything imo, she is currently untouchable, she is one of the top elites imo and no-one is going to dare touch her. I don't support any of them because l don't think any of them are for the people....I think they both are puppets for `the system'.

What is the U.S election really about? Imo it is solely an intelligence gathering exercise to see how the public is thinking,ie, a poll of public opinion that the system can use to their advantage against the public with future strategy. If the system can know the publics views and weak spots they can come up with clever ways to hoodwink them. There is no way the elites would let the public have a say in who runs the show, and there is no way Trump could do what he says because the elites won't let him!!!
 
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