im not denying that they exist i'm just saying that they don't exist, outside of the ivy league and educational institutions.
It was really the department store look by the 60s. It went mainstream pretty damn quick and Tucker Carlson sports it today.
The only people wearing ivy in the 50s and 60s were in education? You're way off.
Everybody was wearing it. But in 1963, Miles Davis ditched it for Italian suits.
Its all a bit fuddy duddy really isn't it? And if I'm thinking that at my age it must be.
It's sharp when done right, but many elements are dated now. The Go to Hell Look, it's embarrassingly old hat and indeed, fuddy duddy, the American equivalent of a moldy fig type. Not that there's anything wrong with trad jazz.
Actually I'm suprised anyone knew of Hoffman on here, I'm not sure Hoffman is a "anti-Semite" he's more of an anti zionist and an American isolationist, as was Buckley to a certain extent. But Buckley was ex- CIA so he can't really be taken too seriously. A roman catholic playing the character of a WASP..
Buckley was great, camp as the Go to Hell look and should be a queer icon, along with the chap he threatened here:
The WASP:
As for Hoffman and his mucca: total tossers...how can anybody take such twisted deviants seriously? They're figures to be laughed at. And as for posting them as examples of some sartorial style...FFS, they haven't got any.
There is a certain Bourgeoisie mindset connected to the look that can not be denied, but that really depends on how it's contrived. Ivy really has very little to do with the Mods, and the 'Jazz Ivy Style' really came about because middle class Jazz musicians were playing at colledge campuses and were being dressed by the Campus outfitters nearby, J. Press, Andover Shop, Chip, Brooks.
Ivy Style will always be cemented as part of the establishment due to the history of Americans high quality RTW business model that has been around since the mid 1850s...
Ivy style is basically the department store look of the USA mid-20th century modern. I dig that egalitarian sharing of what was an elite collegiate style.
The Mods are/were an eclectic bunch, they always mixed it up:
This is true, and I can dig them up if you really need me to...
Most of my photos were in the Ivy League cannon, not plain old Ivy Style. There is a difference. Ivy League Style is the Upper establishment take, whilst Ivy Style is more middle class.
You should read Richard Presses book Threading the Needle if you want to know more about the minutia of the different styles
No it isn't, it's an American mainstream style that lives on today in the preppy trad of RL, Kamukura, J.Press, Orvis and that cheaper brand who's name escapes me now. Nothing upper establishment there, in the here and now.
That's no justification for posting shots of Holocaust deniers. Unsurprisingly really, as it's inexcusable.
Strange, I didn't quite get the connection he was trying to make either. Ivy as the style choice of anti-Semites?
Regrettable but predictable, given the personalities of the contributors, to read the disparaging comments about Talk Ivy on this forum. I for one can say that, never having had the benefit of a further education, I have not only learned a modicum about clothes but being in touch with T.I. members has encouraged me to learn more about subjects like modern architecture, jazz and American social history, things I probably wouldn't have bothered with otherwise. T.I. members have gone on to start successful blogs, co-authored books on the subject and at least four have designed, produced and sold items of clothing. This is more than can be said for any other forum I'm aware of,certainly more than Dressed Well where the only significant output appears to be negativity and sneering.
Indeed, some great folk over in Talk Ivy, along with some weirdo freaks.
Yes I agree, Chensvold was a bit too obsessed with his WASPy aspiration, but if not for his obsessions we wouldn't have any of the content at all. It takes a certain eccentric personality to live their lives like an open wound on the web, so I'm really not too picky about the spokespersons for Menswear provided they actually do their job and produce quality content with some consistency.
Chens did mention that black jazz elements of Ivy somewhat regularly on his blog..
I'm not too crazy about the British Ivy Look. It always seemed to me more like a derivative variant of the American Soft Shouldered Look, and I always viewed it as a bad counterfeit. The problem with British Ivy is that they don't put the clothes together in a way that's appealing to anyone asides from a Brit. It's a less developed look that lacks that certain finesse that the Americans had due to their home grown knowledge of the genre.
I like the British Trad Look like the Sloan Ranger Style etc. But I prefer the American Ivy/Trad/WASPy Look instead.
I never read Talk Ivy, so I can't comment.
Chensvold was a dandy, as his interior decorating tastes to attest to, who jumped on the Ivy wagon when he spotted the train leaving the station.
