To Vaccinate or Not To Vaccinate?

Rambo said:
This is obviously someone who's been vaccinated fully
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White people send me a letter in the mail saying that if I didn't have all my vaccines I could not be a resident, I had to do it.
 
Thruth said:
A colleague of mine was gay. Moved to NYC so he could wantonly fuck and be fucked by men in gay clubs. Got the AIDS. Slowly wasted away. Took no meds because he accepted his fate. Not killed by AIDS drugs.

People in the developing world died from AIDS. They did not have access to AIDS drugs to kill them.
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There many toxins in people's environments that can kill them. AIDS can be environmentally caused and/or medically exacerbated.
 
I read an article once where the medical industry in the late 70's early 80's targeted the gay population in manhattan with a hepatitis B vaccine which probably initiated the AIDS epidemic. Fucking monkey virus cocktails.
 
LelandJ said:
There many toxins in people's environments that can kill them. AIDS can be environmentally caused and/or medically exacerbated.
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It is a virus not a toxin. It is a blood bourne infectious disease. Swap blood or body fluids regularly with infected people and you get it. That fact is unassailable.
 
Thruth said:
It is a virus not a toxin. It is a blood bourne infectious disease. Swap blood or body fluids regularly with infected people and you get it. That fact is unassailable.
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Well I've read HIV's been around for many generations and isn't the cause of anything, except providing a positive test to diagnose as a disease that needs poisons to cure.
 
First documented case was traced to 1959 in Congo but did not make a big jump to humans until the AIDS outbreak. Epidemiology traces it to US maybe as early as 1969 but certainly around 1976. number of cases was too low to cause alarm or cause public health to look at it as a singular disease. 1980's huge upswing in cases and focus on it as an epidemic.

Patient Zero was an Air Canada gay steward. He infected many homosexuals. The genetics of his infection was linked to cases in LA and NYC. He did not bring AIDS to the US but was an example of how random promiscuous unprotected homosexual sex was the vector of infection
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/11/does-the-vaccine-matter/307723/
Nonetheless, in 2004, Jackson and three colleagues set out to determine whether the mortality difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated might be caused by a phenomenon known as the “healthy user effect.” They hypothesized that on average, people who get vaccinated are simply healthier than those who don’t, and thus less liable to die over the short term. People who don’t get vaccinated may be bedridden or otherwise too sick to go get a shot. They may also be more likely to succumb to flu or any other illness, because they are generally older and sicker. To test their thesis, Jackson and her colleagues combed through eight years of medical data on more than 72,000 people 65 and older. They looked at who got flu shots and who didn’t. Then they examined which group’s members were more likely to die of any cause when it was not flu season.

Jackson’s findings showed that outside of flu season, the baseline risk of death among people who did not get vaccinated was approximately 60 percent higher than among those who did, lending support to the hypothesis that on average, healthy people chose to get the vaccine, while the “frail elderly” didn’t or couldn’t. In fact, the healthy-user effect explained the entire benefit that other researchers were attributing to flu vaccine, suggesting that the vaccine itself might not reduce mortality at all. Jackson’s papers “are beautiful,” says Lone Simonsen, who is a professor of global health at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C., and an internationally recognized expert in influenza and vaccine epidemiology. “They are classic studies in epidemiology, they are so carefully done.”

The results were also so unexpected that many experts simply refused to believe them. Jackson’s papers were turned down for publication in the top-ranked medical journals. One flu expert who reviewed her studies for the Journal of the American Medical Association wrote, “To accept these results would be to say that the earth is flat!” When the papers were finally published in 2006, in the less prominent International Journal of Epidemiology, they were largely ignored by doctors and public-health officials. “The answer I got,” says Jackson, “was not the right answer.”
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tl;dr- mobile affluent healthy people get vaccinated, incapacitated poor don't. Perfect scientific proves this more than accounts for so-called efficacy of flu vaccine. Medical community doesn't want to hear these facts.
 
The Salk polio vaccine with SV-40 (Simian Virus, ring a bell?) caused a major spike in cancer rates.
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Allen Smithee said:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/11/does-the-vaccine-matter/307723/

tl;dr- mobile affluent healthy people get vaccinated, incapacitated poor don't. Perfect scientific proves this more than accounts for so-called efficacy of flu vaccine. Medical community doesn't want to hear these facts.
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Population-wide flu vaccinations are not the way to go except for immunocompromized as pointed out in the article

Flu vaccine is safe and not a cause of autism.

Anti-vaccine people conflate each point and apply it across all vaccines

I work in healthcare, do I get the flu vaccine? Nope.
 
Dr Maurice Hilleman: Well, that was at Merck. Yeah, I came to Merck. And uh, I was going to develop vaccines. And we had wild viruses in those days. You remember the wild monkey kidney viruses and so forth? And I finally after 6 months gave up and said that you cannot develop vaccines with these damn monkeys, we're finished and if I can't do something I'm going to quit, I'm not going to try it. So I went down to see Bill Mann at the zoo in Washington DC and I told Bill Mann, I said "look, I got a problem and I don't know what the hell to do." Bill Mann is a real bright guy. I said that these lousy monkeys are picking it up while being stored in the airports in transit, loading, off loading. He said, very simply, you go ahead and get your monkeys out of West Africa and get the African Green, bring them into Madrid unload them there, there is no other traffic there for animals, fly them into Philadelphia and pick them up. Or fly them into New York and pick them up, right off the airplane. So we brought African Greens in and I didn't know we were importing the AIDS virus at the time.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.html#ixzz3RajagL8c
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Trollin', Trollin', Trollin', keep them unfacts rolling.....
 
Medical shill not to be trusted. "We were confused and did it wrong before but trust us now." Then in ten years "We were confused and did it wrong ten years ago but we know more now!" Oops, coverup revealed and we did it wrong even when we knew better. Don't be paranoid, trust medical experts! We're experts!
 
^ So, when you're doing something the wrong way at work and you find out that you're doing it the wrong way and you correct it, do you think that people should trust you from then on?

Or should people remain suspicious of you and not trust you after you've made a mistake, even though you've learned from it and changed the way you do things?
 
life is easier when you always mistrust and think conspiracy. using reason and rationality takes too much energy
 
The vaccine shills knew full well what they were doing, no mistake. The increase in cancer is a big boost to business and GDP. You guys must also believe the politicians who say we're bringing democracy to the world. Larger scale of fraud less people want to believe. Bush Jr warned about the perils of listening to conspiracies at the UN council. You're only a war criminal if you lose. I miss watching his nervous cocaine snort during speeches.
 
thruth why are you bothering with these hippies?

A friend of mine has had HIV for around 20 years now. When he first started on the drugs he was taking around 26 tablets a day at precise time intervals etc. If he got it wrong things used to go haywire. I haven't spoken to him about it for a while but last I knew he was down to a few tablets a day without any real worry about timing. It may be even better now. Last I saw him he was healthy as a trout and looking good. Its amazing the advances since I first got involved in HIV/AIDS when being HIV+ was a death sentence..
 
I just want to say the fact that this thread made it more than a couple responses along the lines of "anti-vaxers are the dumbest people on the planet" makes it a monument to stupidity.
 
this just in:

1. AIDS was created by the Man
2. The measles vaccine will give you AIDS
3. AIDS will give you the measles
4. The tiny bit of mercury in old vaccines will make you retarded.
5. The Govt. buys its vaccines from Chinese eBay vendors because the mercury content is higher and comes from broken thermometers
6. It is the polonium in vaccines that will kill you
 
Your tooth fillings are killing you or transmitting you thoughts to the gubment... Or vice versa.
 
I'll get around later to how HIV and AIDS are not the same thing.
Voluntary vaccinations are fine, although compound ones are riskier for the sake of convenience.
Germ theory is all of a century old. Medical science was babbling about disease coming from poor moral character, inferior immigrant breeding, or "bad air" at the time. So I'm not entirely sure how much undue credit is being given to immunology.
Politically, the do-gooder totalitarians are the same ninnies that want smoking and soda banned, as well as peanuts, meat, alcohol, sex...They are rotten puritanical bastards that one should keep at arm's length.

Also, vaccines trade a remote risk of an acute problem for a more probable risk of a lesser problem. I hate that nonsense. I'll risk the long shot and avoid the more likely risk. Free-thinking independent people are allowed to do that.
The pro-vaxxers don't like that kind of thinking. They want you to obey without question, giving blind faith to "experts" that are not to be challenged! Demonize all that fail to hail the orthodoxy!
 
Russell Street said:
I'll get around later to how HIV and AIDS are not the same thing.
Voluntary vaccinations are fine, although compound ones are riskier for the sake of convenience.
Germ theory is all of a century old. Medical science was babbling about disease coming from poor moral character, inferior immigrant breeding, or "bad air" at the time. So I'm not entirely sure how much undue credit is being given to immunology.
Politically, the do-gooder totalitarians are the same ninnies that want smoking and soda banned, as well as peanuts, meat, alcohol, sex...They are rotten puritanical bastards that one should keep at arm's length.

Also, vaccines trade a remote risk of an acute problem for a more probable risk of a lesser problem. I hate that nonsense. I'll risk the long shot and avoid the more likely risk. Free-thinking independent people are allowed to do that.
The pro-vaxxers don't like that kind of thinking. They want you to obey without question, giving blind faith to "experts" that are not to be challenged! Demonize all that fail to hail the orthodoxy!
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You can think that way but I'm just going to shoot you on site to eliminate once eradicated diseases from coming back, and also to make the population relatively more intelligent.
 
Russell Street said:
I'll get around later to how HIV and AIDS are not the same thing.
Voluntary vaccinations are fine, although compound ones are riskier for the sake of convenience.
Germ theory is all of a century old. Medical science was babbling about disease coming from poor moral character, inferior immigrant breeding, or "bad air" at the time. So I'm not entirely sure how much undue credit is being given to immunology.
Politically, the do-gooder totalitarians are the same ninnies that want smoking and soda banned, as well as peanuts, meat, alcohol, sex...They are rotten puritanical bastards that one should keep at arm's length.

Also, vaccines trade a remote risk of an acute problem for a more probable risk of a lesser problem. I hate that nonsense. I'll risk the long shot and avoid the more likely risk. Free-thinking independent people are allowed to do that.
The pro-vaxxers don't like that kind of thinking. They want you to obey without question, giving blind faith to "experts" that are not to be challenged! Demonize all that fail to hail the orthodoxy!
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has someone taken over your account and/or mind today?
 
doghouse said:
I just want to say the fact that this thread made it more than a couple responses along the lines of "anti-vaxers are the dumbest people on the planet" makes it a monument to stupidity.
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I'm supposed to be the impartial one
 
doghouse said:
I just want to say the fact that this thread made it more than a couple responses along the lines of "anti-vaxers are the dumbest people on the planet" makes it a monument to stupidity.
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I would bet a lot of money that the collective IQ of the group that, you know, is concerned about what goes in their bodies and looks into things on their own, is higher than the unquestioning people that do whatever they are told without question because they are so, so afraid.
doghouse said:
You can think that way but I'm just going to shoot you on site to eliminate once eradicated diseases from coming back, and also to make the population relatively more intelligent.
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Are you scared of death from measles? Please say yes, and tell me how likely you think that is for an infected American.
 
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