To Vaccinate or Not To Vaccinate?

Also, has the utter inefficacy of the flu shot this year taught us nothing of what a crapshoot this stuff is? It is not a magic spell. They are certainly not entirely harmless.
If one raises either or both of these facts, the true-believer vaxxers get their undies in a bunch and act like this heresy is like bringing Kryptonite in to their Fortress of Solitude.
 
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Is thimerosal being used in other vaccines?
Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children younger than 6 years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts of thimerosal, except for some formulations of influenza vaccine. The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the argument that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful. CDC and FDA continually evaluate new scientific information about the safety of vaccines.
Russell Street said:
Also, has the utter inefficacy of the flu shot this year taught us nothing of what a crapshoot this stuff is? It is not a magic spell. They are certainly not entirely harmless.
If one raises either or both of these facts, the true-believer vaxxers get their undies in a bunch and act like this heresy is like bringing Kryptonite in to their Fortress of Solitude.
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I don't think that people are advocating the flu shot for everyone. They are just disputing the assertions that it leads to autism based.

If the anti-vaxers are more intelligent, they are behaving like the dumb, sheep vac crowd in using statistics and arguments that are misread, misrepresented and out and out lies.

Measles has been eradicated because of (1) improvements in living conditions and(2) availability of vaccines. Having a small segment of the population choose not to vaccinate is fine. This will become a problem when larger segments of the population does this routinely AND either North Americans travel/return from areas where measles are endemic OR immigration brings it to our door step.

We are only seeing increased cases of measles without the morbidity/mortality because of the level of immunization. Eliminate this, cases go up and then you will see the morbidity/mortality at the x/1000 cases that is normal.
 
If you get the flu shot you are dumb. If you don't understand MMR is the most successful vaccine in history you are dumb.
 
fxh said:
Your tooth fillings are killing you or transmitting you thoughts to the gubment... Or vice versa.
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If you have amalgams (50% mercury) then they definitely can kill you slowly. I had severe CFS for 15 years since I was a teenager after having ten amalgams put in. In 2006 I learned they off-gas in the oral air all the time and had them all removed by a dentist who specializes in safety protocols in Manhattan. I still can't believe the change I went through afterwards, energy levels doubling. Went from training two hours in the dojo to four hours on a daily basis and felt refreshed after only four and half or six hours of sleep every night.

The procedure was reminiscent of the scene in 12 Monkeys though. :ahahahaha:
 
I was only 11 years old and my dentist was arrested a couple years later on insurance fraud.

How many amalgams do you, Rambo, and fxh have?
 
I almost died after a school mandated vaccination in middle school too, perfect storm of mercury poisoning from amalgams and thimerosal. Couldn't hold any food down and lost 20 lbs in one month.
 
LelandJ said:
Of course the elite are always spared.
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Nah. Just good teeth. Maybe Elite™ teeth.

My granddaddy never saw a dentist in his life, and died with a perfect set of chompers, so I like to attribute it to his genes.
 
LelandJ said:
I almost died after a school mandated vaccination in middle school too, perfect storm of mercury poisoning from amalgams and thimerosal. Couldn't hold any food down and lost 20 lbs in one month.
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Was this guy your doctor?

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Before I was too sick to go to school, I would periodically puke in the hallways walking between classes.

/fun fact
 
LelandJ said:
I almost died after a school mandated vaccination in middle school too, perfect storm of mercury poisoning from amalgams and thimerosal. Couldn't hold any food down and lost 20 lbs in one month.
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I know it's been said before in this thread, but it's worth saying again - you don't get mercury poisoning from thimerosal/thiomersal in the same way that you do from organic mercury.

Please do a bit of reading on the differences between methylmercury and ethylmercury.
 
Thruth said:
Having a small segment of the population choose not to vaccinate is fine.
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Freedom is my general point. Seeing how the populace succumbs to unnecessary C-section and begs for antibiotics at every cough or sniffle, I don't see a tipping point coming unless the medical community flagrantly proves themselves to be untrustworthy...
Anyway, ducking vaccinations (which my parents possibly did a bit of with me) is proper elitist game theory. Assume no extra risk but reap most of the benefit. Vaccines are for the little people!
 
I see your point. I had both types of measles when it was a common childhood disease with no morbidity.

Freedom is overrated. How unfree do you feel with immunizations if they are mandatory?

We should go back to untreated water because tough people will survive Cholera.

The mark of a developed nation is disease eradication and this is primarily due to improvements in living conditions and sanitation. But we are also better because of disease erradication schemes.

Too much freedom in the hands of idiots will drive us back to the dark ages
 
Journeyman said:
I know it's been said before in this thread, but it's worth saying again - you don't get mercury poisoning from thimerosal/thiomersal in the same way that you do from organic mercury.

Please do a bit of reading on the differences between methylmercury and ethylmercury.
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I warn you that using logic and science will not change faith based beliefs.
 
fxh said:
I think you vastly underestimate the freedom and character strengthening effects of polio.
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Actually, my dad overcame polio, so you are correct. There is also the argument that disease is like forest fires, a natural thinning mechanism with which we are interfering. That could explain all the wheezy, fat, ADHD/autistic millennials.
Thruth said:
Freedom is overrated. How unfree do you feel with immunizations if they are mandatory?
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I think it is no small stretch to equate the forced injection of an unwanted substance into one's body with rape.
 
Russell Street said:
Actually, my dad overcame polio, so you are correct. There is also the argument that disease is like forest fires, a natural thinning mechanism with which we are interfering. That could explain all the wheezy, fat, ADHD/autistic millennials.

I think it is no small stretch to equate the forced injection of an unwanted substance into one's body with rape.
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Luckily he survived.

ADHD is primarily conferred by lazy or misdiagnosis.

While the survival of the fittest and culling argument is compelling it goes against how we rank ourselves as developed nations.

There is no compulsory immunization in Canada as the Charter of Rights does not allow for it. Three provinces have "proof of immunization" requirements for school entering but there are exemptions that enable anyone who does not want to have their children immunized to do so.

The rape analogy suggests that your parents are complicit in this action as the child cannot give consent.
 
Journeyman said:
I know it's been said before in this thread, but it's worth saying again - you don't get mercury poisoning from thimerosal/thiomersal in the same way that you do from organic mercury.

Please do a bit of reading on the differences between methylmercury and ethylmercury.
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Yeah I did and ethylmercury's at best only 20% less toxic than methylmercury. Lipstick meet pig.
 
And with a trillion dollar liability with amalgams, the ADA will never recognize that mercury's toxic.

I had to sign a disclaimer with my amalgam removal dentist the procedure was purely cosmetic else he could lose his dental license.
 
LelandJ said:
Here's another video you and Journeyman can ignore:

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Please do some research on IAOMT. Quack Quack.

So if your fillings - when you had them - were leaking like this so you could see vapour pouring off, please provide me with the statistics of dentist, dental assistant, dental hygienist, dental lab technicians death rates due to Mercury poisoning from off gassing. Imagine the dentist working with Mercury for a career breathing it every day, drilling it, filling it, patient after patient. If anyone should be poisoned it is those who work with it.

The dental profession and researcher have disproved those "studies" and before you say the dental profession is biased because they are in the business of selling dental amalgam to patients, know this: the customary fees charged for silver fillings are at least 50% lower than comparable composite fillings. The money grubbing elite dentist would therefore be advocating only white composite fillings, which they don't. Now over time more and more white fillings have been placed but more because patients ask for them. In the informed consent process, you should be provided with options for silver, composite, ceramic and even gold

If I required a filling I would get gold which still remains the best filling material. Rarely done anymore.

Be careful though, your composite fillings have Bis-GMA in them, another poison.
 
LelandJ said:
And with a trillion dollar liability with amalgams, the ADA will never recognize that mercury's toxic.

I had to sign a disclaimer with my amalgam removal dentist the procedure was purely cosmetic else he could lose his dental license.
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The ADA has no power. It is not regulatory, it is an advocacy body. The state dental boards regulate dental practice.
 
Jackass said:
"Supposed to" being the operative phrase.



If you don't understand that the horse is the most successful mode of transportation in history you are dumb.



Maybe that's how you rank nations. Not how the rest of us do.
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It is not my ranking system it is one of the elements that the WHO and other international and national organizations rank quality of life amongst a whole litany of other things. Come up with your own metrics.
 
C'mon don't sell yourself short. You know that wasn't an ordinary fluorescent light used to show vapor invisible to naked eye.

Dental offices usually have good ventilation (insufficient for removal protocols though, drilling into them produces shit-ton vapors) and the off-gassing from implanting mercury is negligible. There's regular liquid suction used too which should vacuum stray vapors. Of course the plastics in composite fillings aren't healthy but sure as shit nothing like mercury which is the most toxic non-radioactive element on earth.

Regarding money, the health costs (profits) from mercury poisoning definitely outweigh the price difference from composites. Ironically mercury was illegal in dentistry over a hundred years ago since no secret mercury's toxic, but someone in dental hierarchy had other ideas.
 
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And everyone in the world's a quack, let's leave the ad homs out if you can.
 
No, the organization is not viewed as a reputable organization that is all that I am saying. It does not speak for specialists in oral medicine.

The bottom line is you feel better without your silver fillings and that is fine. That is all that matters.
 
ah GP - one of the great underrated talents. I never understood why he wasn't taken up more. Howlin WInd and Heat Treatment still hold up well. . He was very much appreciated here and possibly had more recognition here than anywhere.
 
fxh said:
ah GP - one of the great underrated talents. I never understood why he wasn't taken up more. Howlin WInd and Heat Treatment still hold up well. . He was very much appreciated here and possibly had more recognition here than anywhere.
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I don't know and I am perplexed as well. At least Spotify has a great selection of his music.
 
He was always friendly and talked after shows. He signed my coloured pink Pink Parker 12" EP and put up with my stoned/drunken rants.
 
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