Barking Pugilist
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A law abiding citizen who reaches for a gun at the scene of an incident where someone has already been shot and armed police are present.
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holding a gun, pointed down, posing absolutely no threat for the cops.A law abiding citizen who reaches for a gun at the scene of an incident where someone has already been shot and armed police are present.
If you are holding a gun how long do you suppose it takes to raise it and fire it?holding a gun, pointed down, posing absolutely no threat for the cops.
i notice you didn't comment on the other video where the cop just went ahead and shot the kid in the bed. you can hear the cop say "oh shit". quality people.
Ultra MAGA fascists everywhere!there are just SO MANY dogwhistles in this post.
An interesting one to watch. The only equivalence I can think of were the ‘No Go’ areas in N.Ireland during the Troubles when the police had to withdraw because of the terrorist threat. Of course the strong always take over and pretty soon the Provos were doing the policing, if you didn’t care for the local police much the idea of the community ’looking after itself’ might have appealed to you. But when Little Johnny got a punishment beating for breaking into cars instead of going to court, or got picked up for burglary and by the time they found out they’d got the wrong man it was too late because they’d already shot his kneecaps off, people started to think that perhaps the police weren’t so bad after all.The States is unique and we in other western nations have no equivalence of places like Chicago and the deliberate policy of de-policing to let the community get on with it, the legions of homeless mental cripples and drug addicts left to rot.
And in this age of white privilege and fragility, etc, I do believe that separate community policing will and already is the future. With all that entails.
why is it ALWAYS chicago with you freaks? and a 6 year old article no less.As Chicago backs off policing, its murder rate skyrockets ever higher
Chicago’s yearlong shooting rampage picked up steam over Christmas weekend, leaving 61 people shot, 11 fatally. Seven were killed on Christmas Day alone, more than on the three previous Christmases…nypost.com
Well done police defunding campaigners.
i'm not precisely sure why any answer to that question requires my death. is the simple fact of gun possession enough to justify being murdered by the cops to you?If you are holding a gun how long do you suppose it takes to raise it and fire it?
got it. kids are all liable to kill you and everyone has a gun and drugs and is a meth-addled psycho. completely reasonable take and definitely nothing that needs further psychoanalysis.No I didn’t comment on the bedroom shooting… but I will. Cops over there are going into situations that are awash with drugs, readily available guns and crazy people who are off their heads on various substances. Kids are the most dangerous because they are irrational and impulsive. Of course the cop says ‘oh shit’, do you think it’s great to shoot someone in the line of duty? Discerning a sudden movement or someone reaching for something that might be a gun is all the warning that the cop gets. Even when you watch and rewatch some of these videos with the benefit of pause you still can’t tell what’s happened. There’s no pause or re-run for the cop in real life who has to make a decision in a fraction of a second in a confused situation. But you’re quite happy to sit in judgement … because you’re an armchair fucking expert
There are forum members who would prefer policing handed over to community leaders and Antifa types, which of course is a recipe for tribalism ruled by warlords and armed militia. Dreadful.An interesting one to watch. The only equivalence I can think of were the ‘No Go’ areas in N.Ireland during the Troubles when the police had to withdraw because of the terrorist threat. Of course the strong always take over and pretty soon the Provos were doing the policing, if you didn’t care for the local police much the idea of the community ’looking after itself’ might have appealed to you. But when Little Johnny got a punishment beating for breaking into cars instead of going to court, or got picked up for burglary and by the time they found out they’d got the wrong man it was too late because they’d already shot his kneecaps off, people started to think that perhaps the police weren’t so bad after all.
Is it because dozens and dozens of people get shot every weekend there?why is it ALWAYS chicago with you freaks? and a 6 year old article no less.
There’s a lot of naivety that’s for sure.There are forum members who would prefer policing handed over to community leaders and Antifa types, which of course is a recipe for tribalism ruled by warlords and armed militia. Dreadful.
All your naive muddled conclusions not mine. ‘requires my death’ - where does that come from? Pinball machine logic.i'm not precisely sure why any answer to that question requires my death. is the simple fact of gun possession enough to justify being murdered by the cops to you?
got it. kids are all liable to kill you and everyone has a gun and drugs and is a meth-addled psycho. completely reasonable take and definitely nothing that needs further psychoanalysis.
as opposed to your steely eyed fact telling i guess?There’s a lot of naivety that’s for sure.
if i were holding a gun in the scenario. stay with us here you're supposed to be the facts and logic people.All your naive muddled conclusions not mine. ‘requires my death’ - where does that come from? Pinball machine logic.
no they don'tIs it because dozens and dozens of people get shot every weekend there?
do your homework. the chicago police budget is astronomically high (over $2 billion last i checked) and sees year over year increases. spending per capita has more than doubled in 50+ yearsIt's the poster boy for hands-off policing to let the community get on with it.
No research whatsoever...this was last weekend:as opposed to your steely eyed fact telling i guess?
if i were holding a gun in the scenario. stay with us here you're supposed to be the facts and logic people.
no they don't
do your homework. the chicago police budget is astronomically high (over $2 billion last i checked) and sees year over year increases. spending per capita has more than doubled in 50+ years
Chicago has nearly tripled per capita police spending since 1964, data show
For activists and city leaders calling on Mayor Lori Lightfoot to cut the police budget, it’s clear that the money could be better spent elsewhere.www.injusticewatch.org
of course i wouldn't expect you or this other british bozo to actually do any research on these topics outside of reading a few articles on your favorite right wing echo chamber.
yes, one weekend. not every weekend. i understand the distinction is difficult.No research whatsoever...this was last weekend:
Chicago shootings: 35 shot, 9 fatally, in weekend violence across city, police say
Chicago shootings this weekend have left 35 people shot, nine fatally, police said.abc7chicago.com
Hint: try a Google search ''Chicago shootings last weekend'' or ''Chicago shootings 2022''.
Quite correct there are dozens and dozens of people getting shot each weekend in Chicago.
yes, one weekend. not every weekend. i understand the distinction is difficult.
and we know chicago is a problem. have you thought of focusing on a different city? might help you spread your wings.
Does anyone know what academic qualifications are needed to become a police officer in the US and the UK?We need better police, not more police.
As I said above, there is NO uniformity across the thousands of different police forces across the US. Some require an2 or 4 year degree. Some prefer graduate degrees. Others do not require high school graduation.Does anyone know what academic qualifications are needed to become a police officer in the US and the UK?
Just read somewhere that some UK forces require A Level. That is encouraging. I don't want to belittle US educational standards, but American academics I have met tel me British A levels are equivalent to American Bachelor degrees.As I said above, there is NO uniformity across the thousands of different police forces across the US. Some require an2 or 4 year degree. Some prefer graduate degrees. Others do not require high school graduation.
This link suggests a relationship between police education and force. ( Apologies if this has already been posted. )
Police Education, Experience, and the Use of Force – Crime & Justice Research Alliance
crimeandjusticeresearchalliance.org
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You have to graduate high school with a C or D average and also have been a bully, some kind of jock athlete, or have a strong tendency to psychopathic behavior.Does anyone know what academic qualifications are needed to become a police officer in the US and the UK?
Wouldn't confuse academic qualifications as being superior to a vocational one. The ''...less educated...'' is a bit snobbish.This link suggests a relationship between police education and force. ( Apologies if this has already been posted. )
Police Education, Experience, and the Use of Force – Crime & Justice Research Alliance
crimeandjusticeresearchalliance.org
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i'm shocked to hear this. you're normally so good about doing thorough research on the topics you're speaking about!You could put forward a hypothesis that those highly educated 4 year degree cops are pen pushers and are not engaged at the pointy end. Hence it's skewered to show that they don't use or need to use force. I haven't read the paper, just going from the headline.
The article also talks about practical 'field' experience being a distinguishing, determining factor.Wouldn't confuse academic qualifications as being superior to a vocational one. The ''...less educated...'' is a bit snobbish.
You could put forward a hypothesis that those highly educated 4 year degree cops are pen pushers and are not engaged at the pointy end. Hence it's skewered to show that they don't use or need to use force. I haven't read the paper, just going from the headline.
What do you want from a cop at street level? Don't need a law degree, you want tactical competency, physical presence and able to react fast i.e. a skilled apprenticeship with the same physical aptitude.
It's a baseline, in most cases, for sure. But that's all it is.I agree that we don't want to be snobbish, but can we discount the importance of the critical thinking faculty that academic training fosters?
Those people were traditionally drawn from working or lower middle class backgrounds and had often spent several years in industry or the armed forces beforehand. Efforts to increase the number of degree educated cops in the UK aren’t going particularly well, just as the vision of degree educated nurses has produced many that quickly get tired of working on a ward and emptying bedpans, people who go from school to university to the police often lack the life experience, robustness and communication skills needed to spend years constantly sweeping up the detritus of society. They are soon looking for something less enervating. Reports recommending that things are bound to get better if more graduates are recruited are usually written by graduates. But with 40% of the population going on to higher education a degree doesn’t necessarily signify what it once did, many of them can’t spell or string a coherent paragraph together.What do you want from a cop at street level? Don't need a law degree, you want tactical competency, physical presence and able to react fast i.e. a skilled apprenticeship with the same physical aptitude.
That's what I was grasping for: you need to be street smart to be an effective copper.Those people were traditionally drawn from working or lower middle class backgrounds and had often spent several years in industry or the armed forces beforehand. Efforts to increase the number of degree educated cops in the UK aren’t going particularly well, just as the vision of degree educated nurses has produced many that quickly get tired of working on a ward and emptying bedpans, people who go from school to university to the police often lack the life experience, robustness and communication skills needed to spend years constantly sweeping up the detritus of society. They are soon looking for something less enervating. Reports recommending that things are bound to get better if more graduates are recruited are usually written by graduates. But with 40% of the population going on to higher education a degree doesn’t necessarily signify what it once did, many of them can’t spell or string a coherent paragraph together.
Sad, but true. An idiot. But likely a suicide mission all along, or he was just off his tits.That is an example of a guy who got shot becaus he pretended he had a gun. I would have shot him.
Yes. He clearly wanted to be shot.Sad, but true. An idiot. But likely a suicide mission all along, or he was just off his tits.