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what are those? they have an "euro trash" vibe, not?

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walker said:
why would anyone care, which kind of bastard he is, seriously? gypsy is kind of an umbrella term for trash people with a dark complexion. thats all ..., olo
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what do you call poor fat slobs with man tits??? what about their friends with red noses?

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human garbage, the afterbirth of europe's rapid and pitiful decline
 
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walker said:
well, from what I've seen in vintage shoes, the sole and the attachement is an "industrial" standard, which isn't too common anymore. but, of course, I could be wrong on this. the style itself is ingrish preppy, not?
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GYW. 1940' and yes, they became popular during the Ivy boom.
 
I was in the centre earlier today and there was some serious reductions going on in one menswear shop:

Church double monks down from €500+ to €198.
Edward Green's down from well over a grand++ to €500-698. Select sizes of course, but still.

Not a fan of Church's by the way, before or after the Prada takeover. Over priced tat.
 
Lord Buckley said:
I was in the centre earlier today and there was some serious reductions going on in one menswear shop:

Church double monks down from €500+ to €198.
Edward Green's down from well over a grand++ to €500-698. Select sizes of course, but still.

Not a fan of Church's by the way, before or after the Prada takeover. Over priced tat.
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pelger?
 
Lord Buckley said:
I was in the centre earlier today and there was some serious reductions going on in one menswear shop:

Church double monks down from €500+ to €198.
Edward Green's down from well over a grand++ to €500-698. Select sizes of course, but still.

Not a fan of Church's by the way, before or after the Prada takeover. Over priced tat.
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Amazing, wish l was there....could have snagged a couple of pairs.
 
church do look more british, imo. ymmv.

Lord Buckley said:
I was in the centre earlier today and there was some serious reductions going on in one menswear shop:

Church double monks down from €500+ to €198.
Edward Green's down from well over a grand++ to €500-698. Select sizes of course, but still.

Not a fan of Church's by the way, before or after the Prada takeover. Over priced tat.
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Church consul and grafton are wonderful shoes.

Edward Green deliberately jacked up prices to foster a high end image but they routinely knock prices down in pop up sales et.
 
ConchitaWurst said:
pelger?
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Aye, they've quite a lot of competition in that area now. Lots of little tailors set-up, the Persian shirt makers and F.G. van den Heuvel now sell shoes. Marks & Spencer's will be gone the end of October though.

Kingstonian said:
Church consul and grafton are wonderful shoes.

Edward Green deliberately jacked up prices to foster a high end image but they routinely knock prices down in pop up sales et.
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The Grafton looks pretty decent, but the price is bit steep at €899 over here.

I didn't know that about Edward Green. I'm not that keen on the leathers they're using now. I know it's meant to have anti-ageing qualities, but it all looks a bit plastic like.
 
No prices in Edward Green Jermyn Street shop window. Just like John Lobb.

That gives an indication of where the company wants to be.
 
walker said:
greve bespoke - can't wait, olo
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You won't have to wait too long. I will be going to them the end of August.

Of course, it's something very classic from the Piave range or the Breda style.

I'll give them ago as they're on the door step, seem to have excellent quality stuff hidden amongst the usual crocodile shoes popular here in The Netherlands and they're extremely cost effective compared to other bespoke options. So worth a punt, the odds are stacked in my favour.
 
They don't mention width. They only offer a standard width - no choices.

I have just looked on the sole of my Bexley Stanford whole cut. It says 'Goodyear welted'.
 
I'm here in a rather wind swept Blighty at the moment. Checked out the Church's store at Cheshire Oaks Outlet Village, quite a discerning selection to be fair. Decent brogues for between GBP 240-280. Could be tempted.
 
I was quite impressed with these in the UK, much better than the photos on the website:

https://www.barker-shoes.co.uk/nairn/

A new brand on me, but they were being sold for GBP 225, which are more cost effective than the website. Good solid shoes priced where C&J's where back in 1995. What's not to like?
 
Lord Buckley said:
I was quite impressed with these in the UK, much better than the photos on the website:

https://www.barker-shoes.co.uk/nairn/
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Barker has two or three different lines, of differing quality. As far as I know, the upper-tier shoes are made in the UK but some, or perhaps all, of the lower-tier shoes are made in places like India.

I bought a pair of the better shoes for GBP60 during a Herring Shoes sale seven or eight years ago, and they were perfectly acceptable - Goodyear welted, leather-lined, satisfactory quality. The welt stitching was accurate but the stitches were bit larger than I'd have ideally preferred, but as they were so cheap it wasn't an issue for me.

The leather was not as good quality as that used by brands such as C&J - the creases were larger and more coarse. Also (and this has nothing to do with the quality of the shoes) the shoes were surprisingly wide, considerably more so than other brands I've worn. I had to wear them with thicker socks.
 
Industry info regarding made in India v's made in China......

definitely prefer made in China. Why? Because they have the ability to make a better shoe. Why? Because they are trained by some of the best from the U.K and Europe and have state of the art machinery, and the workers will produce good work IF they are watched over.

Not so desirable in India. Why? Because the equipment is old and ratty and the training is very poor, and skill level is generally not so good,+ the work ethic lacks apparently.

Look at how amazing the chinese factory work is on those Gucci and Prada and Versace shoes. Great machine work and closing etc, it's because they are trained really well and use good equipment. The indian's can't match it....they like to cut corners where-as the chinese will deliver when asked.



side note:
made in India will probably fall by the wayside before too long imo. Shoe making was said to leave China in time (too expensive to make there now) and go to Africa and some of the Asian islands, but personally l think all the global making will eventually go away and locals will start making things again.


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the communist party of China used to steal some of the glue from the vats in the shoe factories and used to fill the vats back up with water. That is why the soles used to become unstuck in the 80's after 3 months of wear....the glue wasn't strong enough. The government did this with most of the factories and made a fortune on the black market selling the glue. That is info from very sound sources.
 
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güero said:
Possibly that it is a run-of-the-mill primestichted glue shoe using cheap leather like countless others in that price range? Just guessing.
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I would not choose Barker for igent shoos but there boots are solid.

I think their best value is their boots.

I have a pair of stormwelted waxed country grain PTB boots with Ridgeway sole that have held up to the abuse of being a winter commuter boot.

They are 9 years old and still in good shape. No complaints.
 
Monkeyface said:
Meermin quality for carmina prices
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They were Goodyear welt. I didn't buy a pair, but the quality was definitely there.

Journeyman said:
Barker has two or three different lines, of differing quality. As far as I know, the upper-tier shoes are made in the UK but some, or perhaps all, of the lower-tier shoes are made in places like India.

I bought a pair of the better shoes for GBP60 during a Herring Shoes sale seven or eight years ago, and they were perfectly acceptable - Goodyear welted, leather-lined, satisfactory quality. The welt stitching was accurate but the stitches were bit larger than I'd have ideally preferred, but as they were so cheap it wasn't an issue for me.

The leather was not as good quality as that used by brands such as C&J - the creases were larger and more coarse. Also (and this has nothing to do with the quality of the shoes) the shoes were surprisingly wide, considerably more so than other brands I've worn. I had to wear them with thicker socks.
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Thanks for the above details. I didn't check out the width, but nothing worse than a H width shoe.

The Shooman said:
Industry info regarding made in India v's made in China......

definitely prefer made in China. Why? Because they have the ability to make a better shoe. Why? Because they are trained by some of the best from the U.K and Europe and have state of the art machinery, and the workers will produce good work IF they are watched over.

Not so desirable in India. Why? Because the equipment is old and ratty and the training is very poor, and skill level is generally not so good,+ the work ethic lacks apparently.

Look at how amazing the chinese factory work is on those Gucci and Prada and Versace shoes. Great machine work and closing etc, it's because they are trained really well and use good equipment. The indian's can't match it....they like to cut corners where-as the chinese will deliver when asked.



side note:
made in India will probably fall by the wayside before too long imo. Shoe making was said to leave China in time (too expensive to make there now) and go to Africa and some of the Asian islands, but personally l think all the global making will eventually go away and locals will start making things again.


side note 2:
the communist party of China used to steal some of the glue from the vats in the shoe factories and used to fill the vats back up with water. That is why the soles used to become unstuck in the 80's after 3 months of wear....the glue wasn't strong enough. The government did this with most of the factories and made a fortune on the black market selling the glue. That is info from very sound sources.
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The contrast between India and modern China is colossal. India marketed itself extremely well with the "Indian Tiger" and "Knowledge Export" myth and propaganda. It's a horrible, cast ridden hell hole that I cannot not not recommend it enough. A dump of epic proportions and if you're in Mumbai you can pay London and Paris prices to wallow in the stench of filth and longing to get the hell of here.

Thruth said:
I would not choose Barker for igent shoos but there boots are solid.

I think their best value is their boots.

I have a pair of stormwelted waxed country grain PTB boots with Ridgeway sole that have held up to the abuse of being a winter commuter boot.

They are 9 years old and still in good shape. No complaints.
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Thanks for that knowledge too.
 
The lasts look ok for the long wings and the captoe semi brogues AFAICS
 
Thanks to FXH for the heads up at Oscar Hunt, because now l will be I will be buying some Cordwainer shoos soon.
They sell some stunning classic styled shoes with beautiful antiquing. Goodyear welted and only $450. Certainly not the leather of Lobb, but o.k. I am buying a number of double monks because these actually fit....will fill a good gap in my collection, and something for messing about.

They do both classic and modern shoes.
http://www.cordwainer.es/013.html


 
^They look decent, although most of the models on their website are a bit too brash for my tastes.

I've found that applying a couple of coats of moisturiser to the vamp, over the space of a week or so before wearing for the first time, helps to improve the look of the leather.
 
The Shooman said:
Thanks to FXH for the heads up at Oscar Hunt, because now l will be I will be buying some Cordwainer shoos soon.
They sell some stunning classic styled shoes with beautiful antiquing. Goodyear welted and only $450. Certainly not the leather of Lobb, but o.k. I am buying a number of double monks because these actually fit....will fill a good gap in my collection, and something for messing about.

They do both classic and modern shoes.
http://www.cordwainer.es/013.html
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So you snuck back. Don't forget to remind them that every visit from you - should mean a free single malt for me.
 
Journeyman said:
^They look decent, although most of the models on their website are a bit too brash for my tastes.

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The models on the website are not to my taste either, but the shoes at Oscar Hunt are really spectacular looking....all very Edward Green looking patterns on decent lasts with an ltalian antique.

fxh said:
So you snuck back. Don't forget to remind them that every visit from you - should mean a free single malt for me.
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Yes l did, l bought some braces to start with, but l will get some shoes at least soon. I was also thinking of some MTM trousers, but that depends on various factors. If they made them to good standards o/s and finished the fittings here l may be persuaded to give at least one pair of trousers a go. I don't really want to pay $1,500 for bespoke trousers.
 
The Shooman said:
Thanks to FXH for the heads up at Oscar Hunt, because now l will be I will be buying some Cordwainer shoos soon.
They sell some stunning classic styled shoes with beautiful antiquing. Goodyear welted and only $450. Certainly not the leather of Lobb, but o.k. I am buying a number of double monks because these actually fit....will fill a good gap in my collection, and something for messing about.

They do both classic and modern shoes.
http://www.cordwainer.es/013.html
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I like the look of these and the price. Not sure about the relevance of the placement of the matryoshka dolls.

The Shooman said:
Yes l did, l bought some braces to start with, but l will get some shoes at least soon. I was also thinking of some MTM trousers, but that depends on various factors. If they made them to good standards o/s and finished the fittings here l may be persuaded to give at least one pair of trousers a go. I don't really want to pay $1,500 for bespoke trousers.
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Indeed, bespoke trousers at $1,500 would need to come with a life time guarantee against being worn out and impervious to red wine, curry and spaghetti stains.
 
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