The Elite: It's a Big Club and You're Not in it

Working to achieve financial independence is just playing into the system. Even more so than Russells suggestion, by working you are supporting the system. At least in removing yourself from play as much as possible you have a null effect, here you work for the benefit of the system.

The only people that are able to completely disconnect from the system are the elites themselves.

Everyone else is more or less forced to participate. I participate with awareness, I don't go around overachieving to impress a boss, I work for income and accumulate as much as I can so I can stop working.

Sure, I could go live in the woods and unplug completely, but I don't want that lifestyle. I'm not interested in a null effect for myself, just awareness and a long term goal to stop feeding my time to wealthy people who have rigged the system in their favor.
 
You are not forced to participate, suicide is always an option. By participating with awareness you collude with your captors to enslave your fellow captives. By stopping working you have provided the elites/corps with enough benefit that you are no longer needed. In a sense your compromising your ideals to render your end goal unattainable. You will have fed all your life to the people you despise, and left yourself a husk of who you could have been.

Ok, so I choose against suicide. And I do have options to unplug, but I willingly choose to participate because I know that fighting the elite will only serve to impoverish me, the way things are designed, you are rewarded for playing ball. I don't really have ideals in this regard, just observations about the world and an acceptance of the compromises I'm making. It's just like driving a car: I do it, you do it, and we are both aware that it pollutes the environment.
 
See, it's one thing to get ass-raped, and quite another to offer further favors afterward. Succumb to what must be succumbed to, but minimize aide to the oppressor.

I love how this thread allows me to sound all revolutionary and Rage Against the Machine, despite being an Adam Smith capitalist.
 
You accept reality, then make decision based on it. That's the point. This is not about philosophical extremism, suicide or justifying your reality. It's about being less of a slave to the elite than the other guy, for me that means earn your keep and walk away from it as quickly as possible.
 
We're slaves. You can be more of a slave or less of a slave.
Have I missed the solution provided that was not suicide?
 
Becoming elite. Not accepting your position and making yourself something more than you started.

The game is rigged, gufasd. Being elite is a far cry from making something more than you started, most cab drivers can do that. I'm talking about being a power broker that is able to shift large segments of capital/population/resources. Or you're born into it. Or just get really lucky being in the right place at the right time. Being in a situation where you become virtually untouchable.

It's just unrealistic considering how everything is structured against your ability to rise very far. I like to look at it like those stupid talent shows... tons of people come to those tryouts, then a few get on TV, then one gets anointed, then from there that winner actually has to become really successful, then a true U2 level superstar. All thru that process, you're a slave to record companies until you become untouchable like U2 or Paul McCartney.
 
Yeah, look at your example. One person gets elevated from a tv show. Becoming elite is not impossible, just improbable if you play by the rules. But given a system with many loopholes and shortcuts there are many ways to easily get ahead. You don't need to have a fortune to be able to shift large amounts of capital/population/resources, you just need to have some authority/power. Power and authority is easy to get if you are willing/able to game the system. It's all about maximizing return on investment and being really smart about it. Staying out of vices that destroy your future like drugs or momentary distractions like other people and living for the future.

This borders on being a political stump speech.

Although I did say power broker, I also don't know many power brokers that aren't already wealthy, they are generally attached at the hip. Money is access. Basically everyone in congress is a rich fucker before they got in. And other rich fuckers access their power thru their money. They live for each-others interests, and you ain't part of that plan.

Loopholes exist to favor the elite. Name one loophole that benefits the poor and middle class?

Game what system bro? The one that is already gamed? You mean game the system like poor black moms with 5 kids from different dads to collect welfare checks? Is that what you mean? Because I don't see what kind of gaming is possible to elevate you that far. Sounds like bullshit to me.

The last part I agree with, which is what I do, but I don't fool myself thinking that it's gonna get me in the big club.
 
Yes, someone who starts out with more will have it easier - I despise this - but just because someone else has more does not mean that you cannot have more too. You never will be royal, no need to brandy words, but even common folks have elevated themselves to extreme levels - one perfect example is Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili aka Joeseph Stalin.

Although power normally comes with money this is not always the case. People who work extremely hard and get a bit of help from programs such as affirmative action, gaming standardized testing, and figuring out backdoors can advance themselves in their industry and end up with some level of success. Through affirmative action and gaming standardized testing you can mimic the enhanced access that money and power will bring. Through the use of backdoors, such as min/maxing work for return, you can have more time to do things you want or pursue other endeavors. The acquisition of power, high level positions or influential posts, will result in the acquisition of money, either as a salary or through the revolving door policy.

If you don't want to work for it you will never get ahead, but personally I wouldn't accept any less than I am forced to. And I'm certain that I don't have to accept a life of servitude for a modicum of release/escape/freedom. Not going to compromise what I want, the compromise would destroy the goal.
You're REALLY just not getting what OfficePants is trying to sell you.
 
Yes, if you invent the Google or the Facebook, you will get very rich and influential. Otherwise, tons of late hours and stress may guarantee a middle-upper class existence.
Modern movers and shakers, almost exclusively, were born with connections. It's hidden, as in the case of recent Democratic Presidents, but nobodies almost never become somebodies. Furthermore, the rags to riches tales of scrappy industrious poor kids becoming titans... are from decades ago. The hierarchy has been significantly stratified in the meantime.
Anyway, my question is why work so hard when it might be more fruitful to just leave the country?
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Yes, if you invent the Google or the Facebook, you will get very rich and influential. Otherwise, tons of late hours and stress may guarantee a middle-upper class existence.
Modern movers and shakers, almost exclusively, were born with connections. It's hidden, as in the case of recent Democratic Presidents, but nobodies almost never become somebodies. Furthermore, the rags to riches tales of scrappy industrious poor kids becoming titans... are from decades ago. The hierarchy has been significantly stratified in the meantime.
Anyway, my question is why work so hard when it might be more fruitful to just leave the country?
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But hey, like, capitalism is the best.
 
My personal favorite ever is "trickle down economics". That has to be the greatest hoodwink on the 99.9% ever.
But the rich go out and buy a yacht and then the yachtbuilders hire people and give raises...
Oh wait, the rich don't live hand-to-mouth and spend all their money? Hmm, maybe there are some things we can learn from them.
 
From the great Eliot Gregory's 1898 Worldy Ways and Byways, on the the discontentment caused by attempt to greatly change one's position in life.
AS the result of certain ideal standards adopted among us when this country was still in long clothes, a time when the equality of man was the new "fad" of many nations, and the prizes of life first came within the reach of those fortunate or unscrupulous enough to seize them, it became the fashion (and has remained so down to our day) to teach every little boy attending a village school to look upon himself as a possible future President, and to assume that every girl was preparing herself for the position of first lady in the land. This is very well in theory, and practice has shown that, as Napoleon said, "Every private may carry a marshal's baton in his knapsack." Alongside of the good such incentive may produce, it is only fair, however, to consider also how much harm may lie in this way of presenting life to a child's mind.

As a first result of such tall talking we find in America, more than in any other country, an inclination among all classes to leave the surroundings where they were born and bend their energies to struggling out of the position in life occupied by their parents. There are not wanting theorists who hold that this is a quality in a nation, and that it leads to great results. A proposition open to discussion.

It is doubtless satisfactory to designate first magistrates who have raised themselves from humble beginnings to that proud position, and there are times when it is proper to recall such achievements to the rising generation. But as youth is proverbially over-confident it might also be well to point out, without danger of discouraging our sanguine youngsters, that for one who has succeeded, about ten million confident American youths, full of ambition and lofty aims, have been obliged to content themselves with being honest men in humble positions, even as their fathers before them. A sad humiliation, I grant you, for a self- respecting citizen, to end life just where his father did; often the case, nevertheless, in this hard world, where so many fine qualities go unappreciated, - no societies having as yet been formed to seek out "mute, inglorious Miltons," and ask to crown them!

To descend abruptly from the sublime, to very near the ridiculous, - I had need last summer of a boy to go with a lady on a trap and help about the stable. So I applied to a friend's coachman, a hard-working Englishman, who was delighted to get the place for his nephew - an American-born boy - the child of a sister, in great need. As the boy's clothes were hardly presentable, a simple livery was made for him; from that moment he pined, and finally announced he was going to leave. In answer to my surprised inquiries, I discovered that a friend of his from the same tenement-house in which he had lived in New York had appeared in the village, and sooner than be seen in livery by his play-fellow he preferred abandoning his good place, the chance of being of aid to his mother, and learning an honorable way to earn his living. Remonstrances were in vain; to the wrath of his uncle, he departed. The boy had, at his school, heard so much about everybody being born equal and every American being a gentleman by right of inheritance, that he had taken himself seriously, and despised a position his uncle was proud to hold, preferring elegant leisure in his native tenement-house to the humiliation of a livery.

When at college I had rooms in a neat cottage owned by an American family. The father was a butcher, as were his sons. The only daughter was exceedingly pretty. The hard-worked mother conceived high hopes for this favorite child. She was sent to a boarding- school, from which she returned entirely unsettled for life, having learned little except to be ashamed of her parents and to play on the piano. One of these instruments of torture was bought, and a room fitted up as a parlor for the daughter's use. As the family were fairly well-to-do, she was allowed to dress out of all keeping with her parents' position, and, egged on by her mother, tried her best to marry a rich "student." Failing in this, she became discontented, unhappy, and finally there was a scandal, this poor victim of a false ambition going to swell the vast tide of a city's vice. With a sensible education, based on the idea that her father's trade was honorable and that her mission in life was to aid her mother in the daily work until she might marry and go to her husband, prepared by experience to cook his dinner and keep his house clean, and finally bring up her children to be honest men and women, this girl would have found a happy future waiting for her, and have been of some good in her humble way.

It is useless to multiply illustrations. One has but to look about him in this unsettled country of ours. The other day in front of my door the perennial ditch was being dug for some gas-pipe or other. Two of the gentlemen who had consented to do this labor wore frock-coats and top hats - or what had once been those articles of attire - instead of comfortable and appropriate overalls. Why? Because, like the stable-boy, to have worn any distinctive dress would have been in their minds to stamp themselves as belonging to an inferior class, and so interfered with their chances of representing this country later at the Court of St. James, or presiding over the Senate, - positions (to judge by their criticism of the present incumbents) they feel no doubt as to their ability to fill.

The same spirit pervades every trade. The youth who shaves me is not a barber; he has only accepted this position until he has time to do something better. The waiter who brings me my chop at a down-town restaurant would resign his place if he were requested to shave his flowing mustache, and is secretly studying law. I lose all patience with my countrymen as I think over it! Surely we are not such a race of snobs as not to recognize that a good barber is more to be respected than a poor lawyer; that, as a French saying goes, IL N'Y A PAS DE SOT METIER. It is only the fool who is ashamed of his trade.

But enough of preaching. I had intended - when I took up my pen to-day - to write on quite another form of this modern folly, this eternal struggle upward into circles for which the struggler is fitted neither by his birth nor his education; the above was to have been but a preface to the matter I had in mind, viz., "social climbers," those scourges of modern society, the people whom no rebuffs will discourage and no cold shoulder chill, whose efforts have done so much to make our countrymen a byword abroad.

As many philosophers teach that trouble only is positive, happiness being merely relative; that in any case trouble is pretty equally distributed among the different conditions of mankind; that, excepting the destitute and physically afflicted, all God's creatures have a share of joy in their lives, would it not be more logical, as well as more conducive to the general good, if a little more were done to make the young contented with their lot in life, instead of constantly suggesting to a race already prone to be unsettled, that nothing short of the top is worthy of an American citizen?
http://www.readprint.com/chapter-27451/Worldly-Ways-and-Byways-Eliot-Gregory

One can aim to be the exception, but the rule is the rule.

Is the issue that the rich get the breaks or that they don't spend the money?
Well, the fraud of trickle down explicitly claiming that the breaks would ... trickle down.
 
Then be happy. Nobody is telling you that being in denial about the state of affairs is worse than facing reality. If believing you have a realistic change of becoming part of the elite motivates you to get there, run with it.


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The issue with trickle down is that it's a con. It has shit to do with whether elite spend money and it makes it way to everyone else, it has to do with the unfathomable idiocy of the population to buy into it. Since we were trickled down, the wealthiest in America has become unspeakably more wealthy. It's speaks to the stupidity, distraction, blind faith, and economic laziness of they typical American, and elaborates what a piece of shit Ronald Regan was.

I have always wondered why basic financial management was never taught in schools... home ec was, I mean fuck, we know how to make Baked Alaska, but understanding the value of saving money and acting in your economic best interests is conveniently swept under the rug because they want it that way.
 
But that's the rub, the wealth did not trickle down because the wealthy did not spend their excess money. The only way trickle down economics works is if they spend all the excess money. They didn't which results in the picture shown.

The only way trickle down economics works is in an alternate universe. It was, is, and always will be a massive con.

Rule #1 and #2 of dealing with the elite:

#1 - If a member of the elite offers you a deal, run don't walk.

#2 - Never listen to a political promise. The illusion of choice is based on them. They're designed to blame the other team when they fail so that it appears your guy is trying yet always seem to protect the $ that got them elected. Politicians all know it's bullshit, but they pretend to try for the sake of the masses that are stupid enough to vote.
 
Indeed, how? Or owning large amounts of shares in multinational corporations and collecting dividends?
 
Who would loan money to the poors? They are bad credit risks. Also, banks have found it's more profitable to gamble investor money in elite-approved financial gimmickery than to loan it out.
 
the banks like lending money to the poors at the aggregate level as in countries full of poors.

"Hey Kingdom of Lesotho, wants some billions?"

"what if we default?"

"no worries"

"Hey non-elite but not poor American, please fill out these forms and bend over for a rectal and we will deliberate if we should give you a line of credit to renovate your house"
 
Saving money goes to banks which lend money to the poors to buy a car or start a business. If you want to complain about multinational businesses then maybe stop taxing the shit out of them so they have to flee to shitty third world countries.

Whose loans in turn invent more money? Elite bankers have rigged the system so, thru accounting tricks, when a loan is written on the books it actually creates money out of nothing and increases the money supply.

Give me a situation where I can invent $100,000 and loan it to you at 7%. I'll get rich real quick too.




 
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Predatory rates keep the poor poor. Thruth does bring up the trick of multinational trickery, as chronicled in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

Poor feed it themselves thru payday loans, lottery tickets, and consumption of things they can't really afford... like rent to own furniture... "no credit check" is an irresponsible and instantly gratified poor person's favorite thing in the world to hear. They were never taught to manage money, in fact very few people are, which is a large reason why the system stays rigged.
 
The underclass does themselves no favors, but neither do tax breaks for the rich or predatory loan services.
 
I'm gonna start a thread called: Average People - It's a Gigantic Club and We're All in it.

Standard tactic by elites to try and blend in with the likes of us in order to find better ways to crush us emotionally and spiritually
 
Standard tactic by elites to try and blend in with the likes of us in order to find better ways to crush us emotionally and spiritually
I am good at lowering peoples self esteem.
 
I am good at lowering peoples self esteem.

I was just saying this to the downstairs and grounds staff.

"Consuela, Jesus, Pepe , Kyle (don't ask), the elites are always trying to lower our self esteem. Madame and I will not stand for this"

"Si Don Verdad, Si" they all said in unison. Well except for Kyle who mumbled something unintelligible. He is a work in progress. Sigh, it is hard to find good help
 
I was just saying this to the downstairs and grounds staff.

"Consuela, Jesus, Pepe , Kyle (don't ask), the elites are always trying to lower our self esteem. Madame and I will not stand for this"

"Si Don Verdad, Si" they all said in unison. Well except for Kyle who mumbled something unintelligible. He is a work in progress. Sigh, it is hard to find good help

My buddy's lawn care business has Paco, Pedro, Berto, and, Steve-o. Steve was honorary Mexican.

Where's Betelgeuse? Does he have people from Mississippi as landscapers?
 
Back to the topic at hand... do you realize that 96% of all the money in existence was created by banks? And that there is a payment due of principal plus interest on almost every dollar in existence?

Balancing the budget is impossible to do under our current fiat currency system. This is why politicians are such a bunch of liars. The act of paying off the national debt would cause a deflationary situation, and is impossible to do under our current system without a collapse. The system requires an ever increasing debt ceiling to stay alive.

Do you know that the federal reserve has stockholders?

http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section7.htm

Guess who owns the shares? The banks!!

This system benefits those that create the currency and receive it first: the banks, since they create 96% of the money.

Like I said: it's a big club and you're not in it.
 
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Oh sorry, I thought we were trying to get more lucid, not less.

BTW, that post is wholly inaccurate.
 

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