The Elite: It's a Big Club and You're Not in it

doghouse said:
Ah. Yeah, "they".
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They live.

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My elite group communicates via Facebook

Look while rich folk run in different circles from others this thread reads like there is a worldwide link between the elites and borders on illuminati and new world order conspiracy theorizing.

People are tribal and the extent of the tribe's area is not worldwide except for thievery rich who do travel the world and interact with people similar to then.

It is just a series of fish in ponds. Big fish small pond, big fish big pond. Small fish big pond. All that is defined by someone else. Eventually a bigger fish swims by to put things in perspective.

I am more of a remora
 
I'd just like to see you define this club to support your hypothesis OfficePants OfficePants . This isn't something I'm happen to be spitballing either, it's just a basic logical operation necessary given the definition of what a club is. Without parameters there is no club.

Also, calling the elite a big club is oxymoron btw, if it's elite it's not big.
 
Thruth said:
My elite group communicates via Facebook

Look while rich folk run in different circles from others this thread reads like there is a worldwide link between the elites and borders on illuminati and new world order conspiracy theorizing.

People are tribal and the extent of the tribe's area is not worldwide except for thievery rich who do travel the world and interact with people similar to then.

It is just a series of fish in ponds. Big fish small pond, big fish big pond. Small fish big pond. All that is defined by someone else. Eventually a bigger fish swims by to put things in perspective.

I am more of a remora
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You are nouveau elite, the real elite are on Ello.

But yes, this thread would singlehandedly keep Reynolds Aluminum in business.
 
doghouse said:
You are nouveau elite, the real elite are on Ello.

But yes, this thread would singlehandedly keep Reynolds Aluminum in business.
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See, big fish just swam by as I have no clue what the hell Ellio is.

But I agree with you in needing to see a definition of the "club" as that give the connotation that there is a formal connection and a defined code of interaction
 
I used to live in a part of town where many people had a $50mm-500mm net worth. My next door neighbor was worth over $300mm.

There is no secret club, rich people don't look out for each, they don't rig the system against others. They really don't care how much money others have or what they do with it, and they would certainly not try to hold you back. Yes, some of them are friends with each other, but most are not, just friendly neighbors. They don't do business with each other, nor do they tend to talk much about business during social occasions, and they don't hang out exclusively with rich people, but they do tend socialize with successful people. Most are self made or have a family business, and actively encourage an entrepreneurial spirit in others.
 
Somewhere in Europe. I'm sure every country has towns like that. This one is in a desireable location, in the middle of a nature reserve, but close enough to major cities for a ccommute, so land is more expensive and wealthy people tend to flock to those locations.

Anyway, that was not the point. The point is that there's no world wide secret club of rich people that you're not invited to. In the north west of Europe money and politics are much less related than in the US or the south of Europe, so that might influence my point of view.
 
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Thruth said:
People are tribal and the extent of the tribe's area is not worldwide except for thievery rich who do travel the world and interact with people similar to then.
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QFT
Monkeyface said:
Most are self made or have a family business, and actively encourage an entrepreneurial spirit in others.
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Yes, then they are outsiders. Their children may become elite. One can have a lucrative business that is benign and irrelevant to the elite. If they are scrupulous and honest, they will not be tapped by a group of immoral greedwhores and usurpers.
Monkeyface said:
The point is that there's no world wide secret club of rich people that you're not invited to.
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Wait, you won't even tell us the name of this town. Or even the nation!
 
gufasd said:
It makes more sense to call it a power continuum. It is consistent with the fish and pond analogy, the working class - leisure class, the current structure of pricing expensive goods, and is non illuminati like.
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My thread. They're elite.

doghouse said:
You still haven't defined who these people are.
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I put some thought into this today, I suppose the simplest definition I can provide is that it's a very small group of people with exceptional access.

But there is no exact definition, and attempts to categorize the observable facts or events are somewhat futile, although the category is subjective without defined parameters, it's still there. It's akin to "I know it when I see it" with porn.

If you can call your senator, or any senator for that matter, you're almost certainly elite.

You're invited to a White House dinner and you own a private jet.

Or you're a billionaire and you golf with the Fed Chairman.

Or you are the CEO of a multinational and are "politically active".

Or you are a CEO and play tennis with the Fed Chairman.

And thousands of other combinations of facts that demonstrate you're in a position to live in a completely different reality that provides you all kinds of special access, and you actively participate in rigging the system to benefit your gaggle.
 
Monkeyface said:
I used to live in a part of town where many people had a $50mm-500mm net worth. My next door neighbor was worth over $300mm.

There is no secret club, rich people don't look out for each, they don't rig the system against others. They really don't care how much money others have or what they do with it, and they would certainly not try to hold you back. Yes, some of them are friends with each other, but most are not, just friendly neighbors. They don't do business with each other, nor do they tend to talk much about business during social occasions, and they don't hang out exclusively with rich people, but they do tend socialize with successful people. Most are self made or have a family business, and actively encourage an entrepreneurial spirit in others.
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There's no secret club. Nobody said that.

And wow, you sure derived a lot of facts living next door to wealthy people. I suppose you had complete access to their lives.
 
OfficePants said:
My thread. They're elite.


I put some thought into this today, I suppose the simplest definition I can provide is that it's a very small group of people with exceptional access.

But there is no exact definition, and attempts to categorize the observable facts or events are somewhat futile, although the category is subjective without defined parameters, it's still there.

If you can call your senator, or any senator for that matter, you're almost certainly elite.

You're invited to a White House dinner and you own a private jet.

Or you're a billionaire and you golf with the Fed Chairman.

Or you are the CEO of a multinational and are "politically active".

Or you are a CEO and play tennis with the Fed Chairman.

And thousands of other combinations of facts that demonstrate you're in a position to live in a completely different reality that provides you all kinds of special access, and you actively participate in rigging the system to benefit your gaggle.
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Well, if you don't have a boundary for it, then there is no way to be in or out. There has to be a cutoff or by definition tthere isn't a group.

I will say that you are completely incorrect at aiming to protect the group, and I mean any group, because everyone is looking out for themselves first.

And I can call and talk to my Senator, not sure that's a big deal.
 
doghouse said:
Well, if you don't have a boundary for it, then there is no way to be in or out. There has to be a cutoff or by definition tthere isn't a group.

I will say that you are completely incorrect at aiming to protect the group, and I mean any group, because everyone is looking out for themselves first.

And I can call and talk to my Senator, not sure that's a big deal.
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I said probably regarding the corporate senator, but the ability you have does tend to explain your stance.

An analogy I heard recently helps define the issue: it's like being on a boat in the middle of the pacific and believing the ocean ends at the horizon. There is a compelling concept in physics called the multi-verse, and it;s principles indirectly apply here.

Truth generally goes thru 3 stages, first it's ridicule. Next strong opposition. Finally it become self evident. The climate change seems to take the same trajectory.
 
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Allowing the narrative to take control is what crowds do. It is what mobs do. It is what despots and tyrants do. It is what, unchecked, we all will do. We believe the narrative that makes the best story. We believe the narrative that fits our point of view. We believe the narrative that underlies our fears. We will believe the narratives that allow us to feel good about our own actions and to demonize those who act differently.
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Allen Smithee said:
Do you mean leave a message with a staffer or have the actual man (or woman hahahaha) on the line?
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Can actually talk to him. I'm referring to Mark Warner, our other Senator is Tim Kaine who I despise. Only reason I'd call him would be to cuss at him.
 
doghouse said:
Can actually talk to him. I'm referring to Mark Warner, our other Senator is Tim Kaine who I despise. Only reason I'd call him would be to cuss at him.
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Warner seems to be in the top half of a shitty bunch. Do you have access to McAulliffe too?
 
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I'l like to reference this post because it's topical (regarding 2 cops shot in NYC):

It's an example of the banality of evil. Evil isn't perpetrated by the elite (Blasio) day to day, it usually rests in the hands of the people that execute the designs. The DA, the grand jury, the cops that did the act. This is sorta how oppression works: it takes shitty people that allow for it, and shitty people that are willing to indulge it. Neither is more or less culpable, they're just roles.
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At a more meta level, America is a police state now. I conjecture it's at the hands of the elite. It's a requirement of holding a system together with the level of disparity we've reached. In this series of events, the kid in St Louis, the fat guy in NYC, the cop in St Louis, the choke cop, the 2 dead cops in NYC, and the guy that killed them are all victims of this dynamic.
 
I'm not sure he has any guilt or not... I was never indicating that. I think it's more systematic of his and others participation in the banality of evil I commented on. It comes from donkey talk like terrorism and drug wars, but gets elaborated into low level events in the evey day lives of black males that make them feel like they need to fight back. If you experienced what they do in these inner cities, it would be hard to argue you'd feel differently.
 
OfficePants said:
Hmmm. Interesting. What makes him different than the guy he took over for?
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McDonnell actually got shit done. Our infrastructure was outright embarrassing, like, potholes big enough to swallow a Volkswagen embarrassing, thanks a lot to the aforementioned Tim Kaine. We actually have usable roads now. Those sort of things.

McAuliffe has all the corruption with none of the results.
 
Allen Smithee said:
The whole family ain't elite and the elite ones are not so alive anymore.
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Ok, but your post noted that Irish elite are a new phenom. You're going to look bad. A large number of former American president's have Irish descendants as well as Henry Ford, Walt Disney and Jack Welch.
 
Thruth said:
Fucking Walt Disney
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Fucking Apple.

Richest company in the world, but basically slave labors its product development.

Things at Foxconn got so bad that they had to put up suicide nets at the factory.



The banality of evil is occasionally outright (Rwanda), but more often subtle and part of the corporate machine. Involved is the factory, the Chinese govt, and Apple employees themselves. Tim Cook may be at the mountain top, but there are literally thousands of people involved in this expression of planned obsolescence. 80,000 people live, eat, sleep, and work in basically a prison camp to make that iPhone you love so much. I have one.

Like Carlin said, they don't give a fuck about you. They don't give a fuck.
 
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I've heard that an iPhone or iPad or whatever would cost one or two hundred bucks extra if made humanely in America. Being that they are such modern marvels with incredible price elasticity, it's not even necessary.
 
Russell Street said:
I've heard that an iPhone or iPad or whatever would cost one or two hundred bucks extra if made humanely in America. Being that they are such modern marvels with incredible price elasticity, it's not even necessary.
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You could always channel your inner Russian oligarch and get a Vertu.
 
Who cares if it makes you look cool. And I dont know what a Vertu is. Looked it up. Looks like a socialist nokia.
 
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