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Of course there are, just not in the UK.And of course there are also fair and mannered fans.
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Of course there are, just not in the UK.And of course there are also fair and mannered fans.
They are a minority and it's shame their behaviour shames everyone, but I am not convinced those racists on Twitter are football fans. My understanding of present day English football, which is limited I admit, is that the racists were a spent force and well expelled from the game? But not all the yobs and hooligans. Now they're equating the booing of taking the knee, with racist abuse. That fits the narrative, but it isn't quite true. There are legitimate reasons to be against taking the knee.This where the scummy elements of good ole England comes up ( and luckily, there are a minority)....
There was a time when England was not so hated, Malta use to always give top marks to the UK in the Eurovision Song Contest.Also here in Germany much support for Italy.
But why is England so hated?
Ex-England player John Barnes was being interviewed yesterday and he was absolutely vociferous in pointing out that England was the most hated nation in Europe and rightly so in his estimation. It was nothing to do with marauding rioting fans, uncouth and the worse ambassadors you could wish for, no he brought it down to the likes of Winston Churchill, the empire, the white English of all classes having a superiority complex and the only reason the Brits were engaged in ending the slave trade is that they had sucked the slaves dry and they didn't need their blood anymore to support the industrial revolution which was built on the back of black slavery. So nothing to do with as you correctly state ''the worst supporters.'' At least a very nasty minority, but significant enough to be a blight on the national reputation.Nobody likes them because they have the worst supporters. Usually the dislike doesn’t really come out because they go home so early, so maybe you haven’t noticed.
Certainly, Gary Lineker made out it was a done deal the English would crush the Italians who hadn't lost a match for what was it 33 matches? Wilful naivety.Most of it is, I suspect, because of their fans. They've been rampaging for years. Some of it, also because of the English press who seem to think because we invented and codified the game that we have a god-given right to win it. So there's a perceived arrogance aspect to it. This infects other sports too. We invented quite a few of them. Some of it is simply anglophobia.
However, there is a huge difference between the behavior of the team and the behavior of the fans. The England football team has always conducted themselves well both on and off the field. They are probably one of the most sporting teams acknowledged way back by Maradona of all people.
now here are some good scottish fans cheering englands loss
A lot of that has come from abroad, much of it from the US.Black players on England football team bombarded with racist abuse on social media
The football association called it “disgusting”www.theverge.com
good fair and mannered lads, those brits
Are you awright Pimpy? Has someone hacked your account? Have a breatherThey are a minority and it's shame their behaviour shames everyone, but I am not convinced those racists on Twitter are football fans. My understanding of present day English football, which is limited I admit, is that the racists were a spent force and well expelled from the game? But not all the yobs and hooligans. Now they're equating the booing of taking the knee, with racist abuse. That fits the narrative, but it isn't quite true. There are legitimate reasons to be against taking the knee.
Now it's all about racism and not the game.
There was a time when England was not so hated, Malta use to always give top marks to the UK in the Eurovision Song Contest.
The Brits would still be in the EU, if Cameron hadn't returned from his meeting with Merkel as a chinless wonder with nothing to show. Had he come back with some commitment to reform from within, the UK would still be in the EU. It was kismet Hardy and was always going to be this way. Sadly, for the EU.
Ex-England player John Barnes was being interviewed yesterday and he was absolutely vociferous in pointing out that England was the most hated nation in Europe and rightly so in his estimation. It was nothing to do with marauding rioting fans, uncouth and the worse ambassadors you could wish for, no he brought it down to the likes of Winston Churchill, the empire, the white English of all classes having a superiority complex and the only reason the Brits were engaged in ending the slave trade is that they had sucked the slaves dry and they didn't need their blood anymore to support the industrial revolution which was built on the back of black slavery. So nothing to do with as you correctly state ''the worst supporters.'' At least a very nasty minority, but significant enough to be a blight on the national reputation.
As for John Barnes, he's come a long way since his Lucozade adverts.
Certainly, Gary Lineker made out it was a done deal the English would crush the Italians who hadn't lost a match for what was it 33 matches? Wilful naivety.
I think the English players taking off their runners up medals as soon they had been awarded in defiance, was poor loser syndrome in action. It looked like childish sour grapes. You can criticise the fans, but we also need to criticise the players. I would anyway, but I'm not a football fan. This team wasn't that gracious in defeat.
The sport of the lower orders in the UK, with some exceptions now with the corporate boxes and the pay of footballers, and the cost of season tickets, remains football. The underclass in the UK are a pretty brutalized bunch from the homes they live in, the sink estates of their immediate environment and the culture. Until that is resolved, the gulf between them and the rest of the Brits will a universe away.
Scotland has chips on both shoulders.
Southgate threatened to walk the players off the field in Bulgaria because of the shit the players took from the crowd. But that never gets mentioned it's only England that suffers this problem.It's worse in eastern Europe and down in the south.
Don’t worry rest assured that outside of football no one ever talks about England.They are a minority and it's shame their behaviour shames everyone, but I am not convinced those racists on Twitter are football fans. My understanding of present day English football, which is limited I admit, is that the racists were a spent force and well expelled from the game? But not all the yobs and hooligans. Now they're equating the booing of taking the knee, with racist abuse. That fits the narrative, but it isn't quite true. There are legitimate reasons to be against taking the knee.
Now it's all about racism and not the game.
There was a time when England was not so hated, Malta use to always give top marks to the UK in the Eurovision Song Contest.
The Brits would still be in the EU, if Cameron hadn't returned from his meeting with Merkel as a chinless wonder with nothing to show. Had he come back with some commitment to reform from within, the UK would still be in the EU. It was kismet Hardy and was always going to be this way. Sadly, for the EU.
Ex-England player John Barnes was being interviewed yesterday and he was absolutely vociferous in pointing out that England was the most hated nation in Europe and rightly so in his estimation. It was nothing to do with marauding rioting fans, uncouth and the worse ambassadors you could wish for, no he brought it down to the likes of Winston Churchill, the empire, the white English of all classes having a superiority complex and the only reason the Brits were engaged in ending the slave trade is that they had sucked the slaves dry and they didn't need their blood anymore to support the industrial revolution which was built on the back of black slavery. So nothing to do with as you correctly state ''the worst supporters.'' At least a very nasty minority, but significant enough to be a blight on the national reputation.
As for John Barnes, he's come a long way since his Lucozade adverts.
Certainly, Gary Lineker made out it was a done deal the English would crush the Italians who hadn't lost a match for what was it 33 matches? Wilful naivety.
I think the English players taking off their runners up medals as soon they had been awarded in defiance, was poor loser syndrome in action. It looked like childish sour grapes. You can criticise the fans, but we also need to criticise the players. I would anyway, but I'm not a football fan. This team wasn't that gracious in defeat.
The sport of the lower orders in the UK, with some exceptions now with the corporate boxes and the pay of footballers, and the cost of season tickets, remains football. The underclass in the UK are a pretty brutalized bunch from the homes they live in, the sink estates of their immediate environment and the culture. Until that is resolved, the gulf between them and the rest of the Brits will a universe away.
Scotland has chips on both shoulders.
The sport of the lower orders in the UK, with some exceptions now with the corporate boxes and the pay of footballers, and the cost of season tickets, remains football. The underclass in the UK are a pretty brutalized bunch from the homes they live in, the sink estates of their immediate environment and the culture. Until that is resolved, the gulf between them and the rest of the Brits will a universe away.
How many black players have you seen playing for the Spanish, the Italians, the Germans, the other European national teams with the exception of the French and Dutch? Not many...but that never gets mentioned
How many black players have you seen playing for the Spanish, the Italians, the Germans, the other European national teams with the exception of the French and Dutch? Not many...but that never gets mentioned
I watched every single game of the Euros.you dont really watch much football, do you?
I'm trying to understand the hate, I can understand from EU apparatchiks, Scot Nats and those who wish to impose a modern Continental System against us, but Ian Barnes? That was some rant on Talk Radio of his. It's almost contrived as if there is some reward in denigrating the country he was once so proud to represent.Are you awright Pimpy? Has someone hacked your account? Have a breather
I can assure you that our fellow Europeans don't hate us because of Slavery. The Africans and Asians possibly yes, but not our fellow Europeans for if they did, they would be exhibiting an extraordinary lack of self-awareness...but...then again some of the shit I've read on Twitter
Our fellow Europeans hate us for other reasons but not enough to refuse our £s. Always remember that! <chuckle>
You and I know that's not quite true. There will always be an England and we will always project soft cultural power around the globe.Don’t worry rest assured that outside of football no one ever talks about England.
Perchance that's Dagenham Dave?You sound like you're talking about my mate from Dagenham.
I'm trying to understand the hate, I can understand from EU apparatchiks, Scot Nats and those who wish to impose a modern Continental System against us, but Ian Barnes? That was some rant on Talk Radio of his. It's almost contrived as if there is some reward in denigrating the country he was once so proud to represent.
There is mischief at work here.
You and I know that's not quite true. There will always be an England and we will always project soft cultural power around the globe.
Perchance that's Dagenham Dave?
Germany won the 2014 World Cup with 11 out of 23 players being immigrantsI watched every single game of the Euros.
I specifically mentioned Black players, I also specifically mentioned national teams not club teams. I know European club teams are chock full of foreign players from all over the place.Germany won the 2014 World Cup with 11 out of 23 players being immigrants
While immigrants play in both Italian as well as Spanish leagues, they tend to represent their national squads for the Euro or the World Cup.
Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands and France have have heavy reliance on immigrants in their national teams for at least 15 years, and that’s off the top of my head, happy to come back with numbers tomorrow.
Never miss a chance to drop a gratuitous Mozza video in.Oh, and stop quoting Mozza too
I specifically mentioned Black players, I also specifically mentioned national teams not club teams. I know European club teams are chock full of foreign players from all over the place.
Messi ain't Spanish and Aguero ain't Mancunian.
I would be interested in looking at the data though
It's about 1.9m in England.I am not sure what your point is. For the countries you mention, black population is not as large. For instance, Spain doesn’t have a particularly large black population, about 2m in all. Plenty of black players in La Liga, they happen to be foreigners.
It's about 1.9m in England.
Again, I accept that the leagues are diverse.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha noYou and I know that's not quite true. There will always be an England and we will always project soft cultural power around the globe.
Then they wonder why the rest of the Europe don't like them....You and I know that's not quite true. There will always be an England and we will always project soft cultural power around the globe.
If they've been in the Costas for over 20 years they wouldn't have been able to vote in the Brexit referendum.Then they wonder why the rest of the Europe don't like them....
If this sort of attitude, Rule Britannia et all
Like the thousands of British living in the Costas for over 20 years, voting Brexit yes, not bothering to regularize the situation in the country to find out afterwards that the they have the same rights and obligations that citizens from ............... Zambia.
and that now they cant' drive any more a car in Spain/Portugal, etc, or stay in the country for only 90 days out of 180.
They wouldn't have. He's talking bullshit.If they've been in the Costas for over 20 years they wouldn't have been able to vote in the Brexit referendum.
My experience of expat residents here, France, Germany and in Spain is that they're all very much pro-EU and anti-Brexit.
who is taking bullshit?They wouldn't have. He's talking bullshit.
You arewho is taking bullshit?
https://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/non-resident-spain-937220/ 14 years living in Spain and not bothering to register as legal resident in Spain
https://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/end-expats-want-move-uk-spain-post-brexit-936294/ this one thinks that because he is British and comes to holidays in Spain he should be treated differently.
https://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/non-resident-spain-937220/page3/#post12976384 100,000 brits didnt bother to register and are now living non legally in Spain
https://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/under-radar-afraid-some-very-afraid-937724/#post12985994 another example.
this is after 10 minutes in a forum i can spend another 10 in the french or italian forum that is full of similar examples
but what does the English press say
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/polit...0.1460901800.1626282421-1745984890.1626282420 one couple 5 years in Spain and another 2 years
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/brits-forced-home-spain-due-23834636 this one thought he could be in Spain without a residence permit because he is british
You are
You said:
'Like the thousands of British living in the Costas for over 20 years, voting Brexit yes [...]'
If you had lived abroad for more than 15 years you were ineligible to vote in the Brexit referendum.
ok, I will reformulateYou are
You said:
'Like the thousands of British living in the Costas for over 20 years, voting Brexit yes [...]'
If you had lived abroad for more than 15 years you were ineligible to vote in the Brexit referendum.
He's a wonderful player, but if he hadn't been such a greedy, money-grubbing c*nt he'd probably have finished his career there (may still do if a 'deal' can be worked out!) and therefore wouldn't share some of the responsibility for his 'beloved' club's near bankruptcy...I thought Messi was willing to take a pay cut and stay with Barcelona. I guess that didn't work out and now Barca loses him for free.
Barca was in serious trouble before Covid provided the coup de grace. Real Madrid is another basket case. There is a reason that these 2 clubs along with Juve were amongst the main drivers for the Super League. I think Real is still banging on about it.It’s a little bit more nuanced than that.
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