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I heard the damn libs were coming for our balls, so I added a Tac Sac to my AR15.

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But nothing beats that smooth full auto recoil burst with this baby:

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Dropbear Dropbear - I can picture you getting one of these for your lawn:

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“Dick camo”. This is why all the old Fudds hate that shooting sports are no longer the preserve of old white hetro dudes with Walter Mitty fantasies. 😂

 

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Frank Sinatra, shortly before assassinating JFK.

Apparently, Frank was very, very unhappy that JFK didn't stay at his place but stayed at Bing Crosby's place instead - JFK had been planning to visit Frank and stay overnight but his advisers were concerned about Frank's alleged Mafia connections and negative publicity that may result.
 

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Apparently, Frank was very, very unhappy that JFK didn't stay at his place but stayed at Bing Crosby's place instead - JFK had been planning to visit Frank and stay overnight but his advisers were concerned about Frank's alleged Mafia connections and negative publicity that may result.
Sinatra was devastated by the snub. But not as devastated as the mafia who were targeted later by the administration and there's a wire that's quoted in a couple of biographies were they discuss killing Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jnr as well for pushing support for JFK.
 

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“Dick camo”. This is why all the old Fudds hate that shooting sports are no longer the preserve of old white hetro dudes with Walter Mitty fantasies. 😂

Good God! What appalling bad taste!
 

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Movie sets were pretty loose on safety in the early eighties when some big name actors died through negligent use of props (one, I recall, put a pistol loaded with blanks to his temple and pulled the trigger - blowing his brains out the other side, sans bullet). I thought that changed and I’d read about how safe they were now with some very mindful protocols. But this sure doesn’t sound like it …

 

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Movie sets were pretty loose on safety in the early eighties when some big name actors died through negligent use of props

Brandon Lee - the son of Bruce Lee - was killed on the set of "The Crow" by a blank that misfired back in 1993.
 

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Brandon Lee - the son of Bruce Lee - was killed on the set of "The Crow" by a blank that misfired back in 1993.

Here's the straight story. Some dummy cartridges, sans powder, were assembled for a shot of a Smith & Wesson Model 629 .44 Magnum revolver being loaded. If the chap assembling the cartridges had thought to deactivate the primers by putting a drop of oil on each of them, Brandon Lee would in all probability be alive and well today. At some point, somebody fired one of the dummies. There would have been a faint "pop," the case would have been extracted easily, and whoever fired the gun assumed all was well. It wasn't. The bullet had been driven by the primer with enough force to lodge it in the barrel. Subsequently, when the gun was fired with a theatrical blank, it had enough force to drive the bullet out of the gun and into Brandon Lee, and that was the end of him.

The wadding in theatrical blanks can be dangerous at close range. Since most journalists know absolutely nothing about firearms, the facts about this case may be hard to come by.

Given the enormous number of movies and television shows that have featured firearms, three fatalities in the course of 37 years doesn't seem like too bad a safety record. Jon-Erik Hexum was a complete idiot: Why anyone would put a device that he knew would spurt out flame and make a deafening noise next to his temple and trigger it seems almost beyond belief. As I recall, the force of the blast drove fragments of his skull into his brain, and that was what killed him. At the time I was working at Guns & Ammo, and some of the women working there found his demise particularly tragic because he was so good looking.

I had never heard the term "prop gun" until this incident. In most cases, a "prop gun" is simply a working firearm. I note the safety Nazis are already raising a hue and cry to ban working firearms from movie and television productions. I don't know how they're going to pull that off.
 
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Thanks, Jan Libourel Jan Libourel - that's interesting to know.

I must admit that I hadn't even thought about whether the guns in movies were real guns. I assumed, for some reason, that they were replica firearms designed to fire blanks, rather than real firearms that fire blanks.

I know that in blank-firing exercises in the military, the firearms have a blank-firing adaptor fitted to the end of the barrel. Obviously, this wouldn't be fitted to movie firearms for aesthetic reasons, as it would clearly signal that the gun was firing blanks. However, the blank-firing adaptor helps the firearm to operate - how do movie firearms overcome this? Or perhaps it depends upon the type of firearm (blowback, gas-operated etc)?
 

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Jan might know more, but in my experience the BFA (blank firing adaptor) was as much a safety devise as anything else. It is a visual reassurance that the person shooting at you isn’t loaded with projectiles and there is a hope at least that if a bullet is loaded then the device will slow it. They will also assist with gassing the semi or automatic firearm.

We used them a lot in the army in the old days in exercises (a lot more than these days, I believe). The old SLRs and even the AUGs an adjustable gas system, but blanks would still mess up cycling after a few mags. I’ll note that even though we were shooting blanks at each other, the rule was that you didn’t shoot when the range was under 25m and you always aimed 1m above the target (not sure if people really did this though). I’ve heard that modern range rules for live fire exercises are a lot stricter these days.

As for the movies set, from what I’ve hear it was plagued with safety violations and the Union crew walked off the job that morning because it was unsafe. The armorer handed Baldwin the firearm and told him it was loaded with blanks (there is no good reason I can think of for anyone to bring live ammunition onto a movie set). In the scene, he was to shoot towards the camera at close range. One accounts said the film crew were behind a plexiglass screen to offer protection against blank ammunition.
 

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Arrrggghhhh. Shiver me timbers. Yo-ho-ho and a kilo of blow.

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That reminds of my uncle who won in a British Legion raffle an imitation elephant gun. Being pissed on his way home he jokenly pointed it at a passing police car and they promptly arrested him. The worse of it was, it turned out it was stolen and had passed through several hands before someone decided to donate it to the charity event.
I note the safety Nazis are already raising a hue and cry to ban working firearms from movie and television productions. I don't know how they're going to pull that off.
They might try making films with less pornography of violence then they won't need guns on the set. That would be my start.
 
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