That solid, manly, even somehow rough style has undeniably its charm.I thrifted a red cashmere jumper from N. Peal for a few bucks. I have no complaints. The only knitwear I am willing to spend on is a Submariner sweater made with British wool.
It is fun to read how particular you gentlemen are. That is the whole point of this forum.
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I had never heard of. I took a look and have to say that the style doesn't appeal to me: it looks to be a strongly brushed (therefore the name) shetland. I surely prefer a dry look like that of the McGeorge cardigan shown by The Shooman in a previous post.Thoughts on the shaggy dog sweaters from J Press?
N.Peal is a brand that doesn't seem to be mentioned much here - what are your views?
N.Peal was once a respected brand made in England and Scotland, but now it is made in China as Panama stated.
I have some N Peal stuff and a wonderful 6 ply cashmere cardigan that hasn't pilled one single pill since i've owned it.
florisgreen Which jumpers do you want me to post? Give me some details. Had a very busy two weeks, but l haven't forgotten your request.
You've been buying lots of jumpers of late. I know what it is like to have the jumper bug, the shoo bug and the sock bug.
I know, but it's apparently comparable with vicuna. Curious if somebody owns something in this material or has seen it in person.Cervelt is not inexpensive
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I took a look: it seems that they are somehow inspired by Hermes in their style. Some nice things, but overall too casual to me. And, as you say, overpriced. That cervelt scarf is beautiful however.They used to make leather for Rolls Royce and the House of Lords. I would imagine they just commission products now.
Thank you, I was waiting for it.Lets talk about the Hermes v's Ballantyne v's William Lockie turtlenecks.
The Hermes and Ballantyne in this picture are almost identical, both pill a little bit, and the only difference between them is that the sleeve cut is slightly different at the join (Hermes is cut more square while the Ballantyne is cut more rounded). The Ballantyne is a good solid 3 ply and really luxurious and made in the 90's. The Hermes is even softer and more plush and the most luxury feeling knitwear l own.
The Ballantyne is made by Caerlee Mill. While the Hermes feels very similar to a really upmarket Johnstons of Elgin in that is it plush and soft, it is not because the Hermes lacks the silky over-processed feel of Johnstons of Elgin, and the Hermes joins at the sleeves are completely different with the Hermes having the square type of cut v's the rounded cut favoured by Johnstons of Elgin. The JoE used to make for Hermes, but not anymore. Indeed the Hermes maker is Barrie of Scotland, because my newest cashmere jumpers from Hermes have exactly the same square cut, but the cashmere with the orange turtleneck is more soft and plush than my other Hermes by Barrie.
Sky blue Ballantyne v's orange Hermes Scotland (I also have a deep rich red Ballantyne exactly the same).
Very significant pieces of knitwear in my collection, very solid luxurious and well made.
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The brown William Lockie 3 ply cashmere turtleneck looks almost identical to the Ballantyne 3 ply turtleneck, and despite it being a fantastic and enjoyable piece of knitwear, but the quality is not in the league of Ballantyne...it wrinkles more, pills noticeably more and feels less luxurious and substantial despite it being a solid piece of knitwear.
vintage McGeorge made-in-Scotland shetland shawl cardigans.
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The bone one if the best of all. It is a 1960's with a double thick 6 ply collar (so like a 12 ply) with double thick plackets. It provides a great knitwear experience, and the quality is impeccable. A landmark piece.
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The darker brown shetland doesn't have the double thick collar and plackets, and it is not as luxurious as the bone cardigan, but it is still an excellent cardigan of very good quality. I treat the darker caridgan as a muck around one where-as reserve I my lighter cardigan for a treat, but still I still wear a treat regularly. View attachment 37228
Thank you, I was waiting for it.
What do you mean with square joint? Possibly that typical angular seam, often seen in old Scottish jumpers? You also wrote that the Hermes has very big sleeves: in wich extent (just at the joint or all along, how many centimetres)? So Barrie is now producing for Hermes: how old are your most recent made in Scotland Hermes?
From your previous pictures of the McGeorge beige cardigan I have the impression that the shetland is quite different from what you normally see today: drier, silkier and more lustrous: would you confirm this?
P.S. The blue of that Ballantyne Turtleneck is gorgeous.
Iirc Barrie took over some of the Ballantyne equipment and many of their workers, when their Scottish operations were liquidated for real. It’s somewhere in this thread, some articles from local newspapers. Barrie is now owned by Chanel and the quality is supposed to be excellent (while the styling is debatable, as you say). It might be the most legitimate current producer of Scottish knitwear.I took a look at Barrie's website and I'm anything but impressed. Of course I'm not able to judge the quality of the material (that could be excellent), but their style doesn't appeal to me at all. They have a French creative director who seems much influenced by street wear, so the style is definitely more casual than classic. I don't condemn some innovation, but it's senseless not to rely on the great Scottish tradition to follow modern ephemeral trends.
I find it sad that historical, traditional brands like Barrie and Pringle nearly disown their prestigious past with their current production.
Iirc Barrie took over some of the Ballantyne equipment and many of their workers, when their Scottish operations were liquidated for real. It’s somewhere in this thread, some articles from local newspapers. Barrie is now owned by Chanel and the quality is supposed to be excellent (while the styling is debatable, as you say). It might be the most legitimate current producer of Scottish knitwear.
Thank you, The Shooman ! Very interesting. So sad that the great story of the Carlee Mills ought to have that end. Still I hope to see one day the phoenix rise from its ashes.
I won't question the quality of the material, it seems pretty solid, but do you really like that rustic style? To me it looks very German (Austrian)=functional, consistent, not aesthetic, refined. Also that horizontal knit looks pretty odd. How would you like to combine it? In my opinion it's a purely casual garment not suitable to any match with classic, elegant clothing.I finally took the plunge and got this little beauty! It is a 3 pound boiled jumper by Dachstein, a very significant piece of knitwear. Funny enough, the sizing seems the same as in the 60's. I suspect nothing has changed about this brand for the last 100 years. It is probably still the best quality stuff. Is that right Thruth ?
I find that they need to be ordered 2 sizes bigger and longer than normal for them to work, otherwise they'll be too small. Ordered this to work with my dark brown bespoke 23oz corduroy trousers and soon to order dark brown tweed trousers.
No-one in the world makes jumpers of that quality imo. I have this amazing 1940's Scottish turtleneck that is the next closest rival, but this is by far the winner. It is handmade in small batches by some families, and the materials are top notch. Probably a jumper that can last a lifetime or two. One of the great clothing gems of the world. None of the clothing forums talk about this brand.
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Thruth how does the sizing work for the sox again. Do l size up 1 size?
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It is casual by design. Everything is not about classic elegant clothing here is it? Paper thin deep v necks are not everyone’s cup of tea either.I won't question the quality of the material, it seems pretty solid, but do you really like that rustic style? To me it looks very German (Austrian)=functional, consistent, not aesthetic, refined. Also that horizontal knit looks pretty odd. How would you like to combine it? In my opinion it's a purely casual garment not suitable to any match with classic, elegant clothing.