The SF/AAAC/FNB trainwreck thread

Streetlight said:
Then there was Bop and his colour scales resolving into C minor
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It's no exaggeration to say that I know sod all about art. But I do know that Bop has subsequently become a successful artist, so props to him. Even Chens buried the hatchet sufficiently to do a write up on him.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
The shoes - weejuns and No.8 Aldens - in the end didn't cut the mustard. I still wear the Alden saddle oxford No. 8 occasionally.
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I've never owned Aldens but they do look good. Weejuns are kids' stuff. Ok when you're young and skint and they don't look bad - however a discerning ivy fan can do far better.

Of course, if you lost the urge to wear ivy then it would make no sense to continue down that path.
 
some bongo player said:
I think it was Miles shooting up that appealed to him. Which I found strange. A lot of his posts I enjoy though.
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That as well, he did have a thing for negroes in the forest brightly feathered...and that was a step to far for me: Miles and Coltrane shooting up on heroin as a noble act. That's when I had to call BS John Gaunt, or whatever his real name was, aka JP Gall.

I find it all rather cliched now, like white queer zaddy daddy's adverting for BAME people to be allies with on social media.

some bongo player said:
Of course, if you lost the urge to wear ivy then it would make no sense to continue down that path.
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Everyone moves on once they get what they wanted.
 
There's at least 3 things in your post I genuinely don't understand. I could consult a search engine for 2 but I might be better off not knowing.
 
some bongo player said:
There's at least 3 things in your post I genuinely don't understand. I could consult a search engine for 2 but I might be better off not knowing.
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You don't need to understand, I've gone in deep and done that for you. Like with satanic occult research and psychic resistance, leave it to the gentleman amateurs.
 
Actually I didn't express myself very well. I don't understand the last sentence in your previous post, and prior to that you referred to 2 things I've never heard of. Obviously it would be easy enough to find out what those 2 things mean (assuming they actually mean something). But I'd rather not know.
 
some bongo player said:
Actually I didn't express myself very well. I don't understand the last sentence in your previous post, and prior to that you referred to 2 things I've never heard of. Obviously it would be easy enough to find out what those 2 things mean (assuming they actually mean something). But I'd rather not know.
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Like I said, you don't need to know and unless you're going to be specific you shouldn't waste your time informing us that I referred you to things you've never heard of, but you'd rather not know...you've expressed yourself very well.

Obviously, you care nought about those things enough to tell us you're not going to research it, as you know nothing about it and are disinterested.

And I wouldn't too. I wouldn't give a toss what you told me that I couldn't be bothered to research and know about.

It's really that simple.
 
Sauce said:
"Beyond clothes, what is the Ivy state of mind?"
Blah, blah, blah...
"How about Marvel comics. Nick Fury was a cool guy with an invisable car."

My guess would be, single, middle aged and happy in his own company.
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You have to feel a little sorry for these guys. The tenuous links he's drawing really have nothing to do with the design or emotive quality of his clothes at all. That's a sad place to be in.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
I liked the ties, the button downs and the jackets. The shoes - weejuns and No.8 Aldens - in the end didn't cut the mustard. I still wear the Alden saddle oxford No. 8 occasionally. But it's a limited style and palate and when my neck size went up in 2015 in time was for me to move on.

Since then Brooks Brothers have deteriorated into a subpar Ralph Lauren, J.Press too expensive with import duties, Kamakura's still tying in with Graham Marsh and John Simons doing his stuff without Jim's plugging.
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I've only been doing Ivy Style, Ivy League, and Trad Style for about a year or so now, but I still think it holds weight. The good thing about the Look is that the formula can be reworked with better pieces and upgraded as a persons wardrobed improves over time.
e.g. light beige chinos, mid blue OCBD, black knit tie, beige socks, shell 8 shoes, navy blazer.
The blazer can be upgraded to DB as a man ages, the light beige chinos can become light beige or cream wool slacks with double front pleats and side adjusters instead of flat fronts, the OCBD can have it's collar pinned, the Alden or similarly priced loafers can be replaced with bespoke loafers etc.
It's a look someone can return to at any age, do it better, and not look dated. I think that's why it works so well, it has an enduring appeal.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
Like I said, you don't need to know and unless you're going to be specific you shouldn't waste your time informing us that I referred you to things you've never heard of, but you'd rather not know...you've expressed yourself very well.

Obviously, you care nought about those things enough to tell us you're not going to research it, as you know nothing about it and are disinterested.

And I wouldn't too. I wouldn't give a toss what you told me that I couldn't be bothered to research and know about.

It's really that simple.
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If that's simple, I'd hate to see complicated.
 
Fledgling said:
I've only been doing Ivy Style, Ivy League, and Trad Style for about a year or so now, but I still think it holds weight. The good thing about the Look is that the formula can be reworked with better pieces and upgraded as a persons wardrobed improves over time.
e.g. light beige chinos, mid blue OCBD, black knit tie, beige socks, shell 8 shoes, navy blazer.
The blazer can be upgraded to DB as a man ages, the light beige chinos can become light beige or cream wool slacks with double front pleats and side adjusters instead of flat fronts, the OCBD can have it's collar pinned, the Alden or similarly priced loafers can be replaced with bespoke loafers etc.
It's a look someone can return to at any age, do it better, and not look dated. I think that's why it works so well, it has an enduring appeal.
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Think it looks good on a younger chap, 25-45.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
Think it looks good on a younger chap, 25-45.
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In general I agree, but this is mainly due to the colouration of the shirts and ties with the look. If the mid blue OCBD is replaced with a white one it becomes a Trad Look instead in most instances. With a black knit tie it's still a solid look.
The pastel Go To Hell trousers are more so in the Prepster, or US Southern Prep Look and they always appear a bit juvenile except in the height of Summer at a garden party, golf coarse/country club etc. And even still they're so ostentations that they tend to raise a few eyebrows. Maybe also reasonable in a WASPy environment like near the harbour side or some river where people sail boats etc.

I think that the look makes an older gentleman appear 'Young at heart', although it certainly shouldn't be an everyday thing if he has a better wardrobe of suits. Maybe just something to return to for the sake of nostalgia, or a knocking about weekend look
 
Fledgling said:
I think that the look makes an older gentleman appear 'Young at heart
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Is this the sort of 'Look you have in mind, Fledgling?

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Fledgling said:
In general I agree, but this is mainly due to the colouration of the shirts and ties with the look. If the mid blue OCBD is replaced with a white one it becomes a Trad Look instead in most instances. With a black knit tie it's still a solid look.
The pastel Go To Hell trousers are more so in the Prepster, or US Southern Prep Look and they always appear a bit juvenile except in the height of Summer at a garden party, golf coarse/country club etc. And even still they're so ostentations that they tend to raise a few eyebrows. Maybe also reasonable in a WASPy environment like near the harbour side or some river where people sail boats etc.

I think that the look makes an older gentleman appear 'Young at heart', although it certainly shouldn't be an everyday thing if he has a better wardrobe of suits. Maybe just something to return to for the sake of nostalgia, or a knocking about weekend look
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That's one of the limitations: colours and textures of shirts.

Sammy Ambrose said:
Is this the sort of 'Look you have in mind, Fledgling?

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Dad and lad.
Sammy Ambrose said:
What about this one Fledgling?View attachment 42581
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I had high hopes for him when he returned to live in Bridlington. Only for the absurd madness why would anyone sane ever move that close to Hull? To be fair, the countryside in East Riding and that part of Yorkshire is very fine indeed. But as we know, it all ended very badly.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
That's one of the limitations: colours and textures of shirts.
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Oxford cloth is just the beginning, I won't insult your intelligence to suggest that you've never seen a swatch book in your entire life... Use your imagination.
The same thing goes for collar styles, spread, cutaway, pinned point collars etc.
 
The evidence suggests that Fledgling:

doesn't actually understand what ivy is
believes ivy is a means of demonstrating that one is a right winger and a member of the establishment

IS before the new guy took over would have been heaven for him.
 
some bongo player said:
doesn't actually understand what ivy is
believes ivy is a means of demonstrating that one is a right winger and a member of the establishment
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Well to be fair to him that’s ACTUALLY what it is, in practice. You don’t see many of the lumpen proletariat out there in seersucker and bow ties.
 
Rambo said:
Well to be fair to him that’s ACTUALLY what it is, in practice. You don’t see many of the lumpen proletariat out there in seersucker and bow ties.
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The photos he posted are all from the past. There are innumerable shots of people in the past in proper ivy kit (unlike most of the shots he posted, incidentally) and who are not right wingers or members of the establishment. (Obviously there are also innumerable shots of people in the past in proper ivy kit who are right wingers and members of the establishment.)
 
some bongo player said:
The photos he posted are all from the past. There are innumerable shots of people in the past in proper ivy kit (unlike most of the shots he posted, incidentally) and who are not right wingers or members of the establishment. (Obviously there are also innumerable shots of people in the past in proper ivy kit who are right wingers and members of the establishment.)
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im not denying that they exist i'm just saying that they don't exist, outside of the ivy league and educational institutions.
 
I have 2 seersucker suits. One the "traditional" light blue and another light brown. Never wore either with a bow tie.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
Why have you posted a photo of two holocaust deniers and anti-Semites?
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Actually I'm suprised anyone knew of Hoffman on here, I'm not sure Hoffman is a "anti-Semite" he's more of an anti zionist and an American isolationist, as was Buckley to a certain extent. But Buckley was ex- CIA so he can't really be taken too seriously. A roman catholic playing the character of a WASP..
 
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