The War in the Ukraine

Who Will Win

  • Ukraine

    Votes: 2 28.6%

  • Russia

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Nato

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • The West

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • America

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Right

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Wrong

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Good

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Evil

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Putin

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Zelensky

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • God

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Prigozhin

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Chechnya

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Trump

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    7
That would be because Zelensky is an actor and knows how to manipulate social and mainstream media. Look at what happened to Burma. Off the news and out of sight. Same for the Syrian rebels during the recent earthquake.

It's a bit closer to me because I worked for a German company that has subsidiaries in Russia and Ukraine and I had colleagues in Russia who seem to have moved to an EU country now still employed by the same firm.

Personally I have Russian speaking friends from former republics and Russia itself (Soviet Union and Russian federation). I used to invite them to footy games, bar hopping, I even brought one as a date to another's wedding. But there are stark contrasts between their opinions of the war and I don't believe I can ever get them in the same room for the foreseeable future. Russia has always won. They went into Georgia and now there is South Ossetia. They went into Ukraine and have Crimea. Belarus is in their pocket. The next would have probably been Kazakhstan which still hosts their space port and owes them from the help in 2022 that Russia gave to quell their own insurrection.

From a geopolitical standpoint, it is a test of whether the BRICS powers are truly the ones in charge. What response would the 'West' have to China invading Taiwan. Would the EU boycott Chinese goods and the Chinese market in retaliation? Would the US seize all Chinese financial holdings? FDR insisted China should be a permanent part of the UN security council because it was the most populous country. Now we have a UN that will never agree on anything because two countries are diametrically opposite of the others. What is the point of these institutions then.

In the 'west' we regal we are the descendants of the likes of Churchill and have the moral righteousness and will to win again: WW2, The Cold War, etc. But day by day it is becoming clear that Western nations are selfish, fractured and led by a gaggle of weak self conscious men who are only interested in generating a sound bite for the next mainstream media news cycle or govern and make decisions based on polls and positive likes in their latest Instagram or Twitter post. If this Western hegemony went into a war with anyone other than Arab or North African dictators or religious heretics running round in robes and AK47s, by all indications today they would lose.
 
güero said:
Wow that is so deep you know what I also really like don’t dream your life live your dream
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Live, Laugh, Loath a ceasefire in which no one is happy and that results in decades of smouldering resentments and low-level conflicts.
 
Fwiffo said:
Look at what happened to Burma. Off the news and out of sight. Same for the Syrian rebels during the recent earthquake.
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Yes that’s because for some reason the Western media thinks the Ukrainians are whites.
 
güero said:
Master race is passé Dropbear Dropbear the cool kids now use CRT! Same consequence though

I‘m no expert but I‘d say they are similar to the Italians or the Irish ~150-200 years ago. Not quite there yet. Let’s put it differently, they are not European.
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Aaaah ok so Italians and Irish are not European! Gotcha, makes all the sense in the world. I imagine Spaniards don’t really qualify either? In a nutsell, utter Aryan bs then. Thanks for the clarification.
 
belinmad said:
Aaaah ok so Italians and Irish are not European! Gotcha, makes all the sense in the world. I imagine Spaniards don’t really qualify either? In a nutsell, utter Aryan bs then. Thanks for the clarification.
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No you obviously and embarrassingly don’t get it. You appear to have severe deficits in historic knowledge, maybe try and read a book once in a while!
 
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www.bbc.com

Ukraine war: How Russia took the south - and then got stuck

The story of Russia's rapid advance in southern Ukraine, told by the people who managed to stop it.
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"When Gen Marchenko arrived, there was still no plan to defend the city. 'When I asked where it was, I was told that they still hadn't put together a map,' he said.

He took a road map, divided it into four parts and appointed units and commanders responsible for each section. They announced mobilisation and quickly signed up thousands of people. Many of the newcomers had previously served in the army."
 
Not to be confused with the unit of former Russian POWs, these folks are fash-adjacent:

 
The third front: How the Ukraine conflict became an economic war of attrition

"In Kyiv, the stocktaking among economic experts is mixed. On the one hand, there's a sense that the 30 per cent plunge in GDP could have been worse, given the circumstances.

Given the mass exodus of Ukrainians to other countries, the roughly 5.3 million people displaced within Ukraine and the massive damage to infrastructure, including the electricity grid, a 30 percent drop is a 'very good result, actually,' said economic analyst Yuliya Pavytska."

She said she hopes the economy has hit bottom now and can begin to grow again. As late as last fall, Ukraine's central bank had been predicting four per cent GDP growth for 2022. That changed when Russia began blowing up the electricity grid.

Those attacks led to a lot of suffering as Ukrainians struggled to cope with mid-winter blackouts. But the destruction of up to half of the national grid also had dire economic consequences, forcing the central bank to revise its GDP projection for 2022 to roughly 0.3 per cent."
 
Belarusian partisans release a video of a drone recon of airfield before saboteurs destroyed a Russian AWACS plane:

theins.ru

BYPOL: Belarusian partisans used commercial drones to spy on Machulischy military airfield for two weeks — video

Belarusian guerrilla project BYPOL run by ex-security officers reports that partisans had been using commercially available drones to spy on the “Machulischy” military airfield, 12 km from Minsk, for two weeks
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Russian anti-govt fascists allied with Azov cross into Russia to conduct partisan raids:

https://theatlasnews.co/conflict/2023/03/02/breakdown-what-happened-in-bryansk-russia/
 
www.bbc.com

Ukraine war: Kyiv orders evacuation in Kupiansk, city it recaptured last year

Families are told to leave Kupiansk, which Ukraine retook from Russia in September.
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“Russia seized the north-eastern city early in the full-scale invasion, with Ukraine recapturing it last September.

In Kupiansk, the Kharkiv regional military administration said on Thursday the evacuation order was due to the 'unstable security situation' caused by Russian shelling."

15.1%
 


Mobilisation or random civilians dressed up for propaganda?
 
Pulling weapons out of Syria to sustain the fight in Ukraine:

www.navalnews.com

Russian Ship Loaded With Military Equipment Enters Black Sea - Naval News

A Russian cargo ship slipped quietly into the Black Sea with a suspected load of war supplies for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The ship, Sparta IV, was loaded in Syria and sailed with a Russian Navy escort. Although Turkey closed the waterway between the Mediterranean and the Black Sea to...
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www.bbc.com

Up to 30,000 Russian casualties claimed in Bakhmut

The number of killed and wounded is out of proportion to the city's worth, say Western officials.
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"In a statement to a defence meeting, posted on Telegram, Sergei Shoigu said Ukraine had lost 11,000 troops in February alone.
'The Kyiv regime's indifference towards its own people is astonishing,' Mr Shoigu claimed, perhaps deliberately flipping Ukraine's criticism of Moscow's own human-wave tactics on its head."

At 11,000 - it is known as indifference.
At 20,000-30,000 it is known as....???
 
Dropbear said:
www.nytimes.com

Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say (Published 2023)

New intelligence reporting amounts to the first significant known lead about who was responsible for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe.
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Biggest pro-Ukrainian group I know is the US, so that article is correct? The current claim is they also „found“ the ship, including traces of explosives, the passports of the “terrorists” etc so it’s the usual procedure. Wondering what took them so long.
 
Is there a version of the truth that also explains the Russian shelling of the Zaporozhye nuclear plant that they themselves occupy or the Kerch bridge?

abcnews.go.com

Russian missile barrage slams into cities across Ukraine

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Russia has unleashed a massive rocket attack that hit critical infrastructure and residential buildings in 10 regions of Ukraine
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"Ukrainian air force spokesman Yurii Ihnat said he couldn't recall such an onslaught, with Moscow launching a broad variety of missiles, including six hypersonic Kinzhal cruise missiles."

I thought they ran out.

"The Ukrainians say 81 missiles were fired, and that they shot down 34 of them."

The success rate is dropping. Hopefully the Patriot and Bibi's iron dome shows up soon.
 
www.theglobeandmail.com

Outside Bakhmut, Russian troops mimic NATO fighting strategy used by Ukrainians

In Lyman, Captain Andriy Malakhov is watching with concern as invaders’ strategies evolve and Kyiv debates next moves
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“They are not moving forward in a horde like they were at the start of the war. They are trying to find the weakest point and then they focus there,” said Captain Andriy Malakhov, who commands a special-forces battalion known as Wild Steppe, which has been stationed in Lyman since the start of the year.

The Russian army, he said, is no longer sticking to the Soviet playbook that led it to a series of defeats early in the war. Instead, they now appear to be mimicking tactics that Ukrainian troops learned over years of training by NATO. The key difference between the two styles of warfare is that NATO encourages local commanders to make snap decisions on the ground rather than constantly waiting for orders from above.

“They’ve learned a lot from us, and now they’re using our tactics against us. They’re more dangerous now,” Capt. Malakhov told The Globe and Mail on Monday in Lyman, where artillery fire was audible throughout the day. He said Russian shelling also appears to be growing more accurate, something he believes may be a result of captured Ukrainian artillery officers being forced to show their Russian counterparts how to use specially designed targeting apps.

Russia, he said, has an artillery advantage of roughly 10 guns to one along the front line in Donbas – an advantage that’s accentuated in the Lyman area by a major highway that runs just behind the Russian lines, connecting the occupied cities of Kreminna and Svatove.

“Their tanks drive off the highway, take shots at us, then get back on the highway and disappear. Same with their self-propelled artillery,” he said. “They dominate in every way. But it’s our land. We have a different mentality than they do.”

Capt. Malakhov acknowledged that his unit’s losses were “high” and that it was getting more difficult for the special forces unit – which reports directly to General Valery Zaluzhny, the commander of Ukraine’s Armed Forces – to find suitable replacements. He said the current fighting in Donbas was the worst the Wild Steppe has seen. “We need victories. When you deliver more victories, you get a second wind and your fatigue doesn’t matter.”
 
globalnews.ca

Why this Ukrainian city is inviting Canadian tourists: ‘Welcome to Lviv’ - National | Globalnews.ca

Ukrainian leaders say one of the best ways for Canadians to support the embattled country's economy is to pack their bags and come see it for themselves.
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"'If you’re brave, welcome to Lviv,' says mayor Andriy Sadovyi, spreading his arms wide to gesture to his beautiful city.

Monuments are wrapped in burlap, boarded up with plywood and guarded by anti-tank traps to protect them from potential enemy shelling. Sandbags are stacked along basement windows so they can be used as makeshift bomb shelters. Military checkpoints block entrances to the city.

On a sunny day in February on a major promenade near the Lviv Opera House, a small boy plays a carnival game. He shoots a photograph of Russian President Vladimir Putin with a realistic-looking toy rifle."
 
www.theguardian.com

Miscalculation fears rise after Russian fighter jet collides with US drone over Black Sea

US accuses Russia of ‘unsafe and unprofessional’ intercept of MQ-9 Reaper drone over waters west of Crimea
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“Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner,” the US statement said. “This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional.”
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Ok… To me downing a 32m drone with some flight maneuvers and a fuel dump seems fairly competent and professional? Eg a lot more competent and professional than downing a 10$ hobby weather balloon with an air-to-air missile?
 
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