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This is very anti-semitic. ADL will start slander campaign.
Trouble in Palestine and Israel
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belinmad
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Where are you getting your facts from? Nickelodeon?
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Yes……those people at Nickelodeon…
Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.
theintercept.com
The Blogs: Hamas Israel’s own creation
From the blog of Shlomo Alegra at The Times of Israel
blogs.timesofisrael.com
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
www.wsj.com
Even the fucking wiki on hamas has this info in it.
at least put in a minor amount of effort and cursory research next time. Or maybe switch to watching the Cartoon Network?
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lack of reading comprehension really hurting the forum today. 'fear of'.
i'm sure, of course, that you're familiar with zionism and what it stands for?
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oh no i got it. you're really missing your calling. you should be working for the state as one of their official propagandists.
you can't possibly be dumb enough to believe this, still, to this day.
also, how do you see knocking down residential buildings that house news agencies as threat neutralizing?
well they just can't seem to get the job done can they? you'd think after 40 years of this shit something would have given by now.
güero
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I am sorry, that’s because I’m stupid!
I am not overly familiar with Zionism and I also don’t care too much.
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Perhaps she should look to the ultra-Orthodox Jewish (Haredim) community in Israel - more than 4% growth year-on-year due to marrying young and having large families. Typically, Haredim spend time in religious study and so don't serve in the Israeli Defence Force (IDF), either.
I know that we've discussed this before, but you may have forgotten - simply because someone is critical of Israel, does not make them anti-Semitic.
It would be like someone calling you anti-British, because you are sometimes critical of the UK government or members of the royal family.
Criticising the actions of a country's government does not automatically equate to hating, or discriminating against, that country's people.
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A genocide is not necessarily dependent on the succesfull murdering of more humans than are newly born within the same population. A genocide does not even require successful killings. Please see the correct definition of the UN:
Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article IIIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
- Killing members of the group;
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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Hamas is just another group set up to achive short term goals as allies that has turned on its backers. The world is full of them. In many cases the USA and European countries knew they would become long term problems in the furture. Its something the "free west" keeps repeating to support Imperialist goals.
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That’s rubbish, that is precisely what “acts committed with intent to destroy” means.
florisgreen
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Yes, you can't export your values and the democracy all over the world, some countries won't accept it, even though in our "western" eyes it may look inexplicable. So the intervention in Iraq has been a total failure and has by no extent improved the old status quo. And the same could be in Afganistan.
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When you join a demonstration in support of Hamas, a group who's aim is to eliminate Jews, with grotesque anti-Semitic blow-up caricatures next to you as with Corbyn when he was giving his speech at the weekend, then you're a racist, anti-Semitic bigot.
When you expect Israel to not defend itself, make false equivalences to the Holocaust, genocide and that Jews are uniquely bad and you blast out with loud speakers in a slow driving convoy through parts of London with large Jewish populations that you're going fuck their mothers and daughters then it isn't criticism.
Why was the Left not marching for the Kurds who had a village flattened by Turkey a week so ago?
Why not march against The Kingdom, who are busy bombing indiscriminately in Yemen?
But we all know the truth, when it comes to racism, anti-Semitism is the only acceptable game in town.
Edit: apologies, the actual message delivered to north London was ''Fuck the Jews, rape their mothers and daughters.'' Charming.
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so support of any palestinian person = anti-semitism? good to know where we stand on this.
why doesn't palestine get to defend itself? this ridiculous framing is getting old.
actual equivalences
no, israel is bad. zionism is bad. jews are just people that believe in a religion.
is this a fever dream you're having?
Dropbear
people are!
who knows this? no one knows about this. its just something you've made up in your head.
ok well glad we got that straight.
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Girl, 10, asks America for help from Gaza City
Days of continuous Israeli airstrikes in Gaza have left more than 200 people dead in the densely populated enclave, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
www.nbcnews.com
"'The American people, stop giving, stop giving weapons to the occupiers,' she told NBC News amid the rubble in the tiny, impoverished Gaza Strip. 'That’s the way that you can help us.'"
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No pithy comment?Girl, 10, asks America for help from Gaza City
Days of continuous Israeli airstrikes in Gaza have left more than 200 people dead in the densely populated enclave, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
"'The American people, stop giving, stop giving weapons to the occupiers,' she told NBC News amid the rubble in the tiny, impoverished Gaza Strip. 'That’s the way that you can help us.'"
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Well, what can you expect from a poor child who sees bombs raining over their heads and destroying their houses. Certainly not that she can analyze and understand the reasons for that, also because probably nobody told her that it's Hamas that began the war and is still launching lots of rockets over Israel.Girl, 10, asks America for help from Gaza City
Days of continuous Israeli airstrikes in Gaza have left more than 200 people dead in the densely populated enclave, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
"'The American people, stop giving, stop giving weapons to the occupiers,' she told NBC News amid the rubble in the tiny, impoverished Gaza Strip. 'That’s the way that you can help us.'"
Pimpernel Smith
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Hamas in Gaza was not defending itself, it was waging war with indiscriminate rocket attacks.so support of any palestinian person = anti-semitism? good to know where we stand on this.
why doesn't palestine get to defend itself? this ridiculous framing is getting old.
actual equivalences
no, israel is bad. zionism is bad. jews are just people that believe in a religion.
is this a fever dream you're having?
people are!
who knows this? no one knows about this. its just something you've made up in your head.
ok well glad we got that straight.
In the name of Palestine:
Watch: Thugs Break into Muslim Man's Home for 'Disrespecting Palestine'
A group of masked and hooded men smashed up a Muslim YouTuber's home in Birmingham for supposedly "disrespecting Palestine".
www.breitbart.com
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i sure hope it was more discriminate otherwise you're defeating your own point here.
right do you want to run the count on the acts of violence in the media? i'll put a $100 donation to the forum on the fact that I'll win.
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Hamas is a terrorist organisation, but let's not get lost in semantics, after all one man's suicide bomber is another's martyr.
Hamas is explicit in what it thinks about the Jews and the Left is in it's alliance with Islamists too.
It's quite clear what Israel must do to defend itself: take out Hamas as an effective military and terrorist organisation. And that's exactly what they are doing and anyone in their position would do exactly the same.
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John Bolton speaks :-
The war monger’s war monger. He never saw a war he disapproved of, or a war he did not want to start.
He managed to give Vietnam a swerve though, by wangling a student deferment for himself, thus avoiding call up.
The war monger’s war monger. He never saw a war he disapproved of, or a war he did not want to start.
He managed to give Vietnam a swerve though, by wangling a student deferment for himself, thus avoiding call up.
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One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Something you should try to keep in perspective. The Israeli government condemned Nelson Mandela because he wouldn’t foreclose on violence as a solution to apartheid.
Won’t something just pop up in its place? Do you think if you kill every single Hamas member the entirety of the Palestinian population will just roll over and succumb to being slaughtered and having their ancestral home stolen away from them?
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How are the PA in the West Bank doing, these days?
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I live in Sheikh Jarrah. For Palestinians, this is not a ‘real estate dispute’ | Lucy Garbett
The threat to our neighbours’ homes is the latest chapter in a campaign to erase the Palestinian presence in Jerusalem, says academic Lucy Garbett
amp.theguardian.com
Opening paragraph:
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Israel shells Lebanon after failed launches toward Israeli territory -Israeli military
Six shells were fired from Lebanon towards northern Israel on Monday but fell short of crossing the border, the Israeli military said.
www.reuters.com
I believe the President has asked Netanyahu to de-escalate, not escalate.
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I believe Netanyahu has asked the President to suck it.Israel shells Lebanon after failed launches toward Israeli territory -Israeli military
Six shells were fired from Lebanon towards northern Israel on Monday but fell short of crossing the border, the Israeli military said.
I believe the President has asked Netanyahu to de-escalate, not escalate.
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That's pretty awful. Is it meant to be funny, ironic, satirical, appealing to the naivety of western Hamas terrorist supporters in the west?
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It's all a Zionist conspiracy, including the creation of Hamas which according to the above cartoon doesn't even exist:
www.spectator.co.uk
Life peer in 'Israeli child killers' fake news storm
It has been an eventful years for Lord Nazir Ahmed. Created a life peer on the recommendation of Tony Blair back in 1998, the noble Lord repaid the favour by becoming one of Blair’s most vociferous foreign policy critics, claiming that the government had tapped his phone and that the suicide...
www.spectator.co.uk
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Western libtards and leftists...why do you hate Israel above all nations? Your irrational bigotry is exposed here:
www.spectator.co.uk
What's the real reason so many people hate Israel?
Did you know that for the past three weeks Turkey has been engaged in a military assault on Iraqi Kurdistan? It’s been brutal. The Turks, who have one of the most powerful military forces on Earth, have used F-16s, F-4 Terminators and other terrifying hi-tech weaponry to pummel Kurdish positions...
www.spectator.co.uk
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Yes, since ever the left took the part of the Palestinians, never distancing from terrorism and giving all the faults to Israel. Here in Germany it's supposed the right to be anti-Israel and anti-semite, but in fact it's the left so much more.Western libtards and leftists...why do you hate Israel above all nations? Your irrational bigotry is exposed here:
What's the real reason so many people hate Israel?
Did you know that for the past three weeks Turkey has been engaged in a military assault on Iraqi Kurdistan? It’s been brutal. The Turks, who have one of the most powerful military forces on Earth, have used F-16s, F-4 Terminators and other terrifying hi-tech weaponry to pummel Kurdish positions...
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Protecting Diaspora Jews And Ending The Israeli Threat To Jews
2021 May 20by Ian Welsh
Last week I argued you couldn’t be Jewish (in any religious sense) and defend Israel’s actions.
The great Rabbi Hillell, challenged to teach the Torah while standing on leg, said:
It should then be obvious that stealing people’s houses, beating them, destroying their orchards and killing them is in complete opposition to the whole Torah.
Now everyone who isn’t a bald faced liar or a fool knows that Israel uses its “Jewish” status as a shield. If you criticize Israeli crimes against humanity or war crimes, you are called an anti-semite. Lives are destroyed, routinely, by accusations of anti-semitism.
Meanwhile we have actual anti-semitism caused by the reaction to Israel’s crimes. People get mad, and a very few attack Jews.
Obviously this is horrible, though nothing near as bad as what is happening to Palestinians as I write. But it could be a precursor of far worse actions.
Anti-semitism is terrible. It shouldn’t be tolerated.
And Israel creates it on a vast scale by claiming to be a Jewish state, the committing atrocities, then using that they are Jewish as a shield from criticism or change.
In effect Israel claims that its crimes are Jewish crimes. To criticize them is to criticize Jews.
This is bullshit. Israel is a settler apartheid state, but it’s not Jewish except somewhat ethnically, because what it does routinely; what it did to create itself (cleanse Palestinians at its birth, and steal their homes) is against the whole Torah.
Israel isn’t Jewish. They’re an evil state who has stolen the cloak of a great religion, which under Rabbinical guidance has largely been peaceful, and used abhorrence of the Holocaust and anti-semitism to allow them to steal and murder.
Stealing and murdering aren’t Jewish, they are what Judaism stands against.
The way forward is simple: Jews and non-Jews need to push back, at every chance, when Israel claims to be Jewish. It isn’t
When it is seen that it isn’t, this will both make Jews outside of Israel (and within Israel who oppose Israel’s crimes) safer, and make a one-state settlement which makes everyone in Israel-Palestine a citizen and equal before the law more likely.
If Israel isn’t Jewish, then it’s no big deal to have Palestinians be citizens.
Israel as a state that claims to be Jewish, and uses its supposed Judaism as a shield against criticism of its crimes, needs to end.
What will remain is a state that by treating everyone equally (do not do to your fellow what is hateful to you) will be more Jewish for proclaiming it less.
May God, in all his forms, bless those who seek equality and peace and cast his gaze upon Israel, who claim to be his children, and bring to them Justice with Mercy.
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Pimpernel Smith
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Parts of the Left has always had an interest in internationalist anti-Semitism.
God, that was boring.
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The ceasefire is in, brokered by the Egyptians.
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boy you sure did hit the nail on the head there by once again equating the freedom of the palestinian people with anti-semitism.
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Totally on the ball.
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The Egyptians will move up in the world thanks to this. I have Egyptian friends, a Copt and a Sunni. The former is cautiously pro Sisi and the latter opposed. Their views will be interesting.