Brexit - The UK and the EU

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UK calls on EU to renegotiate or face no deal

"EU leaders must give their chief negotiator the mandate to revise the UK's withdrawal agreement, otherwise a no-deal Brexit is 'coming down the tracks', the Brexit secretary has said."

Threats are also a negotiation tactic.
No deal is the only deal, the only deal on the table. Boris only needs to hold the line and watch Remainers go off their heads in incompetent rage as they can't do nothing to stop the democratic will of the people. As for renegotiation as is well known, the EU is too proud to negotiate with anyone but paid for and owned lackeys.
 

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No deal is the only deal, the only deal on the table. Boris only needs to hold the line and watch Remainers go off their heads in incompetent rage as they can't do nothing to stop the democratic will of the people. As for renegotiation as is well known, the EU is too proud to negotiate with anyone but paid for and owned lackeys.
There is still the chance that some remainer MP will call it quits (for a reward, of course) and trigger a new local election. Doesn't matter what party he/ she/ it is from. Remainers will vote tactically for a certain candidate (and win), while the Leave side will split their votes.
Still not sure who is pulling Boris' strings...
 

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"A leaked cross-government study warning of the impact of a no-deal Brexit outlines a 'worst-case scenario', cabinet minister Michael Gove has said. Details from the dossier warn of food and medicine shortages if the UK leaves the EU without a deal. Mr Gove, who is responsible for no-deal preparation, said the document was old and Brexit planning had accelerated since Boris Johnson became PM. But he acknowledged no deal would bring disruption, or 'bumps in the road'."

You mean no one makes medicine or grows food in Britain anymore?
 

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No many banana, mangoe, avocado, pineapple farmers is in UK. Pharmaceuticals are very centralised and global - we would import most of ours in Oz.

We can grow - and do - almost any food here in Oz but transporting food from Queensland to say Melbourne is just as far as from Spain to UK (I think)
 

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"A leaked cross-government study warning of the impact of a no-deal Brexit outlines a 'worst-case scenario', cabinet minister Michael Gove has said. Details from the dossier warn of food and medicine shortages if the UK leaves the EU without a deal. Mr Gove, who is responsible for no-deal preparation, said the document was old and Brexit planning had accelerated since Boris Johnson became PM. But he acknowledged no deal would bring disruption, or 'bumps in the road'."

You mean no one makes medicine or grows food in Britain anymore?
They do, but not in amounts to support the "needs" of the locals. I personally think that a lack of food will do the overweight population good.
The other big story is Corbyn failing to get support for his plot to overthrow the Tory government to stop a "No deal" Brexit. Or rather stop Brexit altogether!
 

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No many banana, mangoe, avocado, pineapple farmers is in UK. Pharmaceuticals are very centralised and global - we would import most of ours in Oz.

We can grow - and do - almost any food here in Oz but transporting food from Queensland to say Melbourne is just as far as from Spain to UK (I think)
Not many banana, mangoe and pineapple farmers in Mainland Europe either.

The UK is a center of excellence in the pharmaceutical industries. Billions in R&D and a net exporter to the rest of the world. Of the top five pharmaceutical companies in the world, two of them are located in the UK: AstraZeneca and GlaxoSmithKline.

The report that was leaked is an old report compiled under the quisling regime of Theresa May.
 

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The report that was leaked is an old report compiled under the quisling regime of Theresa May.
The MSM (in particular the BBC) have been painting a doom and gloom scenario for the past 3 years, but now that Boris Johnson has a tougher stance on leaving the EU, food and medications have been at the centre of it ever since, with strong hints at the "possibility" of people stockpiling either. Looking at the folk here in this small town and the surrounding areas, I do think that the UK is not a healthy nation.
Obesity is rampant, with all the other side effects across all ages. Not stuffing their faces with processed, sugar laden food and/ or meat from animals pumped full with growth hormones and antibiotics will do them good.
Funny, though, food not getting into the UK means that the producing nations can't sell it and that it needs to be stored in some shape or form.
There has been massive over-production of agricultural produce for decades, fruits and vegetables got and get destroyed every year (to keep the prices high), milk gets turned into powder for easier storage and clever business people make millions per year storing grains in large warehouses. All this paid for by the EU tax payers.
Most of the cheaper stuff (especially meat products) in supermarkets here comes from EU mainland, so the pressure will be on them to secure a beneficial trade deal.
 

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No many banana, mangoe, avocado, pineapple farmers is in UK. Pharmaceuticals are very centralised and global - we would import most of ours in Oz.

We can grow - and do - almost any food here in Oz but transporting food from Queensland to say Melbourne is just as far as from Spain to UK (I think)
What happened to eating locally? Like an apple. Banana, mango, avocado and pineapple do not seem like they are part of a year round British diet.

It's the same in Canada. The Maritime east coast buys their petrol from South America. At the same time we have an abundance of that in Alberta but shipping costs from west to east makes it cheaper to buy from another country.

Not many banana, mangoe and pineapple farmers in Mainland Europe either.

The UK is a center of excellence in the pharmaceutical industries. Billions in R&D and a net exporter to the rest of the world. Of the top five pharmaceutical companies in the world, two of them are located in the UK: AstraZeneca and GlaxoSmithKline.

The report that was leaked is an old report compiled under the quisling regime of Theresa May.
Hence why I am surprised that there would be shortages of medicine.
 

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Hence why I am surprised that there would be shortages of medicine.
All part of project fear by the remainer MSM.
This could (and should) have been sorted out long ago.
Apparently a vast number of people in the UK depend on their constant pill supply.
I would say most of them are related to an unhealthy life style. The MSM have been pushing the issue of "mental health" as well, so a lack of anti-depressants could be catastrophic. Stop watching those silly daily soaps, FFS!
 

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Yes, we have no bananas.
Funnily enough, if there was a shortage of bananas in Germany people were more likely to protest than against their country being flooded with illegal migrants.
Fun fact: Bananas were the one thing that Eastern Germans bought most after the border was opened. Some said they needed them to lubricate their Trabant cars' 2-stroke engines...
 

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"Mr Johnson wants to remove the Irish backstop from the deal but the EU has consistently ruled this out, saying it will not renegotiate the agreement.

If implemented, the backstop - a last resort should the UK and the EU not agree a trade deal after Brexit - would see Northern Ireland staying aligned to some rules of the EU single market.

It would also see the UK stay in a single customs territory with the EU, and align with current and future EU rules on competition and state aid.

This week German Chancellor Angela Merkel suggested there could be an alternative to the backstop but the onus was on the UK to find it."

A million to one odds of no deal Brexit according to the PM.
 

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This will send the Remainers into paroxysms of abject terror followed by panic:


 
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Proroguing is upsetting all the right people.

I still don’t know how it will all pan out though.

I don’t want May’s WA Surrender Agreement minus the backstop either.
 

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It wasn't as if the countless voting was getting to any definitive decision. That said it's probably sad that no other domestic government business can be done.
 

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Proroguing is upsetting all the right people.
A beautiful sight to behold.

I expect full steam ahead loco insane bipolar disorder in manic phase across several individuals and group hysteria. With Bercow at the helm I they'll likely try and set-up a pretend parliament or some other idiotic scheme.

Glad to see Her Majesty refused to give an audience to that smelly Corbyn traitor tramp chap and she has signed the prorogation order.

The lines for the coming battle for Britain are being set.

Time to get engaged!
 

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Proroguing is upsetting all the right people.

I still don’t know how it will all pan out though.

I don’t want May’s WA Surrender Agreement minus the backstop either.
Still not convinced that all this isn't just a show for the people.
There is still a lot of talk from Boris' camp about getting a deal. And any deal with the EU will be a bad one. The UK has paid into the EU for the past 3 years and the EU still wants more money!
Meanwhile the migrants in France try to get in by crossing the channel in their dinghis. Wonder how many do got/ get in unnoticed.
 

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Still not convinced that all this isn't just a show for the people.
Definitely not, this is the real (no) deal. This is Boris's moment to go down in history as a great PM. He's been out in the wilderness for years marginalized and made a fool of figure. Humiliation everywhere he turned. He's not going to go down in history as May MKII and the man who sold the Brits into second class vassal status through that Treaty. He's a man on a mission, and his decisive moment has arrived.

Once freedom is delivered, then it will time to expel the anti-Democratic forces from public life: the hirelings in the camp, the BBC, the judiciary and universities.
 

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“Definitely not, this is the real (no) deal”

I wish I could agree but my trust is completely shattered. Farage & others are suspicious that we will get a reheated WA/Surrender Agreement too. We shall see.
 

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The decisive moment for Boris has arrived....and for Albion with everything depending on the game theory and Apollo Program system engineering in place....not to mention the prophesy of William Blake.

Is it good enough to counter act and defeat the anti-democratic forces engaged in mischief this eve?
 

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Is it good enough to counter act and defeat the anti-democratic forces engaged in mischief this eve?
We might get another snap election. And after those c*nts have exposed themselves as the enemy of the people they will hopefully be replaced.
The question is: Are they really willing to take the risk? I doubt there are enough jobs in think tanks and other NGOs for all of them.
What's also funny: Under May the so called Tory "rebels" were the Brexiteers, now they are the Remainers.
 

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how you can have any faith at all in this putz is beyond me
 

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how you can have any faith at all in this putz is beyond me
Because we believe in an accountable democracy, rather than an immaculate technocratic elite which considers itself our betters whilst engaging in a great experiment without our consent, or concern for the plebs.

As for Merkel, she messed up Germany. Do you realise how inept, or vindictive, possessed by a zeal of ideology you have to be to have screwed-up that jewel in the crown, the economic miracle and engineering genius of that great nation? Not to mention reintroducing a soft authoritarian bent ready to be exploited? And not forgetting importing anti-Semitism on a mass scale.

All anyone had to do was to hold the line and not mess with the goose that laid the golden egg. But not these clowns, oh no, the ideology overwhelmed all common sense and the dignity and social contract. That is broken now as 18-29 year old native Germans reject the consensus and embrace the AfD. Not the Greens as is fakely reported.

Now it comes.
 
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I'm surprised there is even space to do that in parliament. I always see them crammed like sardines. It doesn't help a good lot of them are overweight.
 
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