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Just set a new personal best in my Indian Mace and Sledgehammer workout. I start out with about 12 minutes of Indian club swinging and then do sequences of 50 "360s" with an Indian mace followed by 100 tire slams with the sledgehammer. Today I completed 500 tire slams and 300 360s with the mace. Admittedly, I was just using my 12-pound sledge and 10-pound mace. Should I ever be able to duplicate this with my 16-pound hammer and 15-pound mace it will be proud day for me! I do think I am going to segue to the 15-pound mace shortly. Anyway, I'll keep pitting the elemental forces of strength and sinew against the inexorable processes of old age, decrepitude and death.
 

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Just set a new personal best in my Indian Mace and Sledgehammer workout. I start out with about 12 minutes of Indian club swinging and then do sequences of 50 "360s" with an Indian mace followed by 100 tire slams with the sledgehammer. Today I completed 500 tire slams and 300 360s with the mace. Admittedly, I was just using my 12-pound sledge and 10-pound mace. Should I ever be able to duplicate this with my 16-pound hammer and 15-pound mace it will be proud day for me! I do think I am going to segue to the 15-pound mace shortly. Anyway, I'll keep pitting the elemental forces of strength and sinew against the inexorable processes of old age, decrepitude and death.
you're doing pretty fucking good jan. certainly better than any of us young fucks. hell i can barely open a jar these days.
 

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^Don't feel too bad about the jars. There are some that give me a helluva time. For whatever reason, jars of sauerkraut seem to be by far the worst in this regard.
Had a good kettlebell workout this morning--21 sets in 28 minutes. Back when I started with the kettlebells almost three years ago, it would take me 45 minutes to complete 15 sets, with much lighter weights. Now that my left arm seems largely cured of the tendonopathy that had been afflicting it, I am almost back to my old peak workout poundages.
 

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Anyway, I’m doing this Keto thing full-on now.
I usually steer people who are on keto, are vegan, or other generally idiotic "diets" to the book The Endurance Diet by Matt Fitzgerald. It gives some of the best legitimate information available about human historic dietary trends and the actual science with added empirical evidence.

It isn't a diet, as in a plan ala South Beach, Paleo, keto or whatever, but diet in the sense of what people subsist on. It was borne of a wide ranging project to log the diets of a huge sample of the worlds most elite endurance athletes.

You will get much leaner on a carb heavy diet than anything else. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron.
 

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I usually steer people who are on keto, are vegan, or other generally idiotic "diets" to the book The Endurance Diet by Matt Fitzgerald. It gives some of the best legitimate information available about human historic dietary trends and the actual science with added empirical evidence.

It isn't a diet, as in a plan ala South Beach, Paleo, keto or whatever, but diet in the sense of what people subsist on. It was borne of a wide ranging project to log the diets of a huge sample of the worlds most elite endurance athletes.

You will get much leaner on a carb heavy diet than anything else. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron.
The key is to find the diet which works for you. Some people do better on high fat and protein where-as others do better on high carb low fat, while others do better on more meat where-as others do better on vegan. Some people get very heavy on high carb and high fruit diets such as myself. For me I do better on higher fat high protein plant foods.
 

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Some people get very heavy on high carb and high fruit diets such as myself
Unless you have a legitimate medical condition, this is just from a lack of adequate exercise and poor carbohydrate choice.
 

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Unless you have a legitimate medical condition, this is just from a lack of adequate exercise and poor carbohydrate choice.
This too is highly questionable. What about all those apparently healthy people on the 100% raw vegan 80/10/10 diet eating mainly fruit (most calories from fruit) who exercise like crazy getting fat on the diet?

The point is that there are always going to be dietary exceptions. To state things in black and white is to assume everyone is the same. My 28 years of experience in studying diet has shown me that when we make definite conclusions about people and diet we usually aren't looking at the full picture because we fail to look the exceptions to the rules and why they are exceptions. So many people want to make definite statements on diet because it makes things sound so much more simple, but l am all for customizing bespoke diets with specific macronutrients needs for the individual....when we fail to take these things into account history has shown that things can often go wrong. Many books generalize and assume everyone is the same, but my experience with people shows it is the opposite.

Many people can write books and state huge samples, but what about clinical experience and working with people one on one??? When you work with people one on one, THIS is where the reality strays from theory and empirical studies. Studies don't always reflect the reality because exceptions will always be present. I've read all types of diet books stating all types of conclusions from studies, yet so many books conflict each other, and it is likely because conclusions can't be stated as easily as people often think they can. I've now got to the point in my life where l stand back and realize that things are often not as simple as what books and people state they are, and l know that people often don't know as much as they think they do, AND l know that l am an expert in anything, so l am not going to accept anything as fact because someone says so. I am a real truth seeker, so l never assume l have arrived and know everything.

I've said my bit Doghouse. I am sure you may disagree, but that's o.k. I don't feel the need to change your mind. I just thought l would give my opinion and insights. It's amazing how we may think we are right, but we may not always be....this happens to everyone, and l have done it many times. So these days l try to stop stating things in black and white like they are law, because experience proves that is often a slippery slope.
 
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I've said my bit Doghouse. I am sure you may disagree, but that's o.k. I don't feel the need to change your mind. I just thought l would give my opinion and insights. It's amazing how we may think we are right, but we may not always be....this happens to everyone, and l have done it many times. So these days l try to stop stating things in black and white like they are law, because experience proves that is often a slippery slope.
The entire point I'm making is black and white diets are bad.
 

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The entire point I'm making is black and white diets are bad.
Yes, it is dangerous to follow such narrow minded advice. People are not black and white text book cases, people are humans, so they need to find a diet that works for them and not blindly follow dietary theories.

I used to buy into heavy vegan dogma for decades, but l was forced to realise that most people fail on the diet, and for good reason. Even the theory to say we are plant eating animals is highly flawed for many many reasons. The fact is that humans can live on and eat many different things, humans are much more than a mere animal,and they can't be compared with animals. Humans can eat cooked food, humans can smoke and drink heavily and some can still live long, but can animals? HUmans may have a plant eating anatomy, but it doesn't mean he is a plant eater. Why? Because most humans have trouble living on 100% plants despite having a vegan anatomy. In theory all this vegan stuff should make sense, but the reality is far from the theories, and things are completely different from the theories for many many many MANY reasons. I could write a book on this stuff, and it's possible one day that l might. Things are not what people think they are when it comes to diet. The logic should make certain conclusions a definite thing, but it is not like that before higher factors come into play. Remember, why are some people on low calories diets, yet they sustain very well. Why are others on deficient diets yet sustain very well. See...things are not how we think they are. One day l would like to talk about these things in public, but now is not the time...we are still full of too much dogma. We need to clean out the junk between our ears and be humble before we can talk about these things. When we realise we don't know much we can have a conversation because we won't feel threatened by other view points and being wrong. I am at the point where l am not afraid of being proven wrong anymore...I try to reduce the ego day by day and don't need to save face. I am a truth seeker, l am here to learn, l am not here to be right, l am here to have a conversation and share insights. I don't want to fight anymore, l just want to share and discuss and be peaceful.
 
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I remember it well my friend
I used to look down on anyone who cooked their food and wasn't vegan. Cooking is seen as the ultimate sin in the raw vegan world.

Raw vegan has always been good to me, but the problem is that such a lifestyle is time consuming and requires a 100% commitment everyday, and it means that one exists almost solely for food. It is NOT a balanced lifestyle. It is too extreme. Anything that goes to extremes is not healthy. The mind needs to be balanced and NOT obsessed. I was obsessed...obsessed with shoos, obsessed with not cooking my dinner blah blah blah. That is not healthy. I went to great extremes to avoid cooking my dinner.

Doing high quality meditation allowed me to balance myself properly and see things through a rational and balanced mind. Now l see a higher picture...a much more real picture of life. It's easy to get too extreme, but it's a trap, and it's not healthy.
 

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The key is to find the diet which works for you. Some people do better on high fat and protein where-as others do better on high carb low fat, while others do better on more meat where-as others do better on vegan. Some people get very heavy on high carb and high fruit diets such as myself. For me I do better on higher fat high protein plant foods.
Pretty much this. I have been on a Keto before it became mainstream well over a decade ago. I left it because I miss fruits et al so much. Generally. I am usually on some form of low-carb and Intermittent fasting ( again, we are talking decades here). My health markers are consistently excellent and I have maintained the same weight in over a decade give or take five pounds.

There is no 'one size fits all' approach and one should be wary of any diet evangelists and fanatics ( keto/ low-cardb/ high-carb/ Atkins/Vegan/ Veggie etc). Statements like ''You will get much leaner on a carb heavy diet than anything else. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron.'' are as inaccurate as they are helpful.

One thing though, veganism is a bad and unsustainable idea. Some could say moronic.
 
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Statements like ''You will get much leaner on a carb heavy diet than anything else. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron.'' are as inaccurate as they are helpful
It's not, but do whatever makes you feel good.

Again, like I told Shooey, I'm arguing again black and white rules and declarative quasi religions, not for.

Unless there is a medical condition, the human body is designed to eat everything. This is what the actual real science says. Everyone from Kenyan marathoners to the 100 year old residents of the worlds blue zones have basically the same macro composition in their diets. The only exception? Affluent westerners with utterly perverted relationships with food and end up on Atkins or keto or paleo ..
 

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On March 7, I said I would be proud to have completed 500 tire slams with my 16-pound sledgehammer. Well, yesterday I did just that. I am doing more work with the 15-pound mace but still a long way from doing 300 360s! On the down side, I feel I have more or less reached a plateau with my kettlebell work. Ditto for the Indian clubs.
 

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Mrs Dropbear just got the results of her annual and her cholesterol has shot-up. We may cut back on the whole keto thing and just aim for a lower carb intake. Maybe the MCT oil and the additional saturated fats did it?
 

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Mace Update: At the end of last year, I made a lengthy post about my newly acquired Indian maces. At that time, I thought I would have a similar trajectory to what I had experienced with kettlebells. When I started, a full workout with a 36-pound kettlebell would leave me wiped out. Within a month, I had progressed to a 45 pounder. That lasted for another month until I got a 53-pounder. This held me for three months until I graduated to 62 pounds. A 75-pounder followed some months later. Since then I have vacillated between the two heavy weights for two-handed exercises. I can do them with the 75-pounder, but it tends to aggravate the tendinopathy lurking in my left forearm.

Anyway, I thought I would use the 10-pound mace to familiarize myself with the exercises, quickly advance to the 15 pounder, graduate to a 20-pounder around this time and then a 25-pounder by the end of the year. That definitely is not happening. I am gradually increasing the number of reps with the 15-pounder, but I still doing most of my mace exercising with the 10 pounder, and I am not sure I will ever advance to a 20-pounder.

I derive some consolation from the fact that one Leo Urquides (aka Leo "Savage"), a major online exponent of mace training says he does 95% of his mace training with his 10 and 15-pound maces.
 
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