alright, doc martens is licensing his soles to boot companies. this might be another route.I dunno much about them but I'm pretty sure that Dr Martens make calf leather boots. All I ever see here are the binder/split leather ones. Anyone got a clue?
Interesting. Part of my interest was trying to convince a few young kids who wear Docs to go with nice leather, but it seems too complicated for anyone except tragics like us.alright, doc martens is licensing his soles to boot companies. this might be another route.
fwiw, I thrifted a pair from an local work-boot company and I assume there are other international options available.
ah, alright, exactly like the alden enthusiasts, who neglect the fact that the construction of their shoos/boots consists mainly of assembled spare-parts "made in china". been there, done that ..., what a fwocking disgrace, seriously.Interesting. Part of my interest was trying to convince a few young kids who wear Docs to go with nice leather, but it seems too complicated for anyone except tragics like us.
Feeling very comfortable. Very difficult to compare the two, but if I had to find difference I’d say the Dayton’s were a little stiffer to begin with and the Whites just felt weird at first (it takes a few days to get used to the arch ease). Both very comfortable.how they feeling in comparison to the white's?
i meant more in an arch ease vs. non-arch ease scenario. which do you think you'd pick?Feeling very comfortable. Very difficult to compare the two, but if I had to find difference I’d say the Dayton’s were a little stiffer to begin with and the Whites just felt weird at first (it takes a few days to get used to the arch ease). Both very comfortable.
Yeah, my auntie and her bikie husband had their motorcycle boots made by Tony also. Tough as old boots and virtually indestructable.Shooey - way back - both Ms fxh and myself each had pairs of motor bike boots custom made by Tony the Medal bloke in Gertrude Street in early 70s.
They zipped up over the calf and then had huge press studs on a flap that covered the zip. Lasted forever - I gave mine away to a real bike rider. I think Ms still had hers until a while back.
Yeah, his son owns the front of the shop as a computer shop while Tony worked out back with boots. I never knew he was still doing repairs out back, but l did know he was still doing some work and getting boots restitched at a certain cobbler.fxh said:He retired form the shop but in around 2006 opened up at the back just doing a few jobs but retired all together around 2011. I had heard from a bike bloke that he was doing repairs only at the rear a few days a week just a few years ago - 2016.
What's the cost of those alligator Chelsea's?I notice the RMW boots have such blocky heels and uninspiring soles. It makes it so easy for people to be trained without needing years of experience on the grinding machines. Look at how quaint the sole and heel work is on these alligator boots. Very uninspiring and certainly a big reason why l would never buy such boots, and the lasts....not so great either as l said earlier. Very basic sole and heel work here!....notice how far the heel sticks out from the upper....one doesn't have to be too careful not to damage the upper because it sticks out so much. Also, a quaint slab of sole leather just sticked on without any lovely features...just as quaint and basic as it gets.
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The bushman models with the brass screwed soles are a different beast. It takes more skill because the heel and sole are closer to the upper,so the machinists needs to take more care finishing these boots with the machine. None-the-less, the brass screwed soles is a dubious construction and certainly not as good as the goodyear welted boots. The brass screws is a real cost cutting measure that negatively effects the construction of the boots perhaps more than any other construction technique. Why? Because it quickly damages the insole and outsole and the doesn't expand to keep moisture out. Before too long those boots will leak and they can mold. The good thing is that they can be repaired easier than goodyear welted boots. On the other hand, goodyear welted is no angel either...while they can last a long time with no problems, sometimes certain things can go wrong that make it impossible to repair under certain circumstances. With cost cutting constructions you get what you pay for.
Brass screwed soles of my custom boots. I still have a spare unworn pair in my closet, a nice tan pair.
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When l looked 3 - 4 years ago they were $4,000. It's a good price with decent crocadile, but if l am going croc in a high price range l am going to pay extra to get the boot made just right. For example, if l am going alligator l am going to do something like G&G and have all the bells and whistles and something that looks great on the foot, or even more likely, Cleverley bespoke alligator shoes. I am not going to pay big bucks for nice croc on an ordinary looking boot with no bells and whistles. Even paying big bucks for croc/alligator on goodyear welted footwear is a no no for me. If l am doin' it l am doin' it all the way!What's the cost of those alligator Chelsea's?
Definitely not Camina or C&J benchgrade (the single brick house). You'd have to go the double brick house build made with good leather, so maybe a C&J handgrade or the Church's benchgrade made to the old standards (not the modern goodyear Church's in cheap leathers, new lasts and flimsy built shoes that skimp on inner leather in the making). Basically a really decent midend English brand that looks great and well built inside to go the distance and keep it's shape well. In other words, to buy a good midend brand that looks great and is built like the highend goodyear shoes with plenty of leather inside the side area near the waist and under the shoe near the waist to keep it sturdy and strong. I have an old Grenson Masterpiece chelsea and it is a beauty...top leather and blows the RMW out of the water. Money is never wasted on a good shoo imo.Who makes a good mid range (goodyear) Chelsea these days Shooey?
I was about to suggest C&J in my initial post. Got a few pairs of shoos and boots from them, and.. it is just easy to go there, but not 100% satisfying if I am honest. Want something else to wear for the long run. No use in buying, if the magic fades away.
My Vass got that little extra, you know. EG have never got my blood pumping, for some reason.
Have been looking at J.M. Weston. Looked at some of their classic pairs in Paris, a couple of months ago - the loafer, demi-chasse, jodhpur and I had totally forgot, their Chelsea. All seemed very nice.
No blood pumping for Cleverley? Too prosaic?Definitely got to get a shoe that gets the blood pumping, definitely spending extra if that's what it takes.
* I love John Lobb for the elegance, unique rich colours and the patterns (something that other top rtw doesn't do as well imo).
* I love Edward Green for the beautifully made shoes with all the details and lovely antiquing. I have one EG that is a medium brown that looks like antique wood, and it is STUNNING. It has improved with age. Wish l could post pics of it.
* I love Vass for the grand shoe wearing experience. It is sturdy and manly and they can make classics which makes wearing Vass the ultimate for me. It's always the greatest treat to wear them. If l only had one make of shoos to choose from it would be Vass or Santoni bentivegna constructed shoos.
* I love the G&G, those are really pretty boys and are so comfortable with all the bells and whistles, but they don't float my boat like the EG and Lobb.
* I love the old Church's too. They are not pretty or elegant, but they are great because they are a no nonsense manly shoe, and the old types are well built inside.
Btw, here is a very good video worth watching.
Anthony Cleverley is in a whole different league from all the other English rtw shoes. The `last' shape is a thing of genius with nothing else that compares in the rtw shoo world. It took 3 years to design that last. G&G and EG rtw don't even come close. The AC last is one of exceptional elegance, and the only two other lasts that can approach it is the Lobb 7,000 and 8,000 lasts, but the AC chisel toe is the clear winner. The AC is magic on the feet from 6 feet away, it makes the foot look STUNNING!!!! It has that classic Cleverley bespoke elegance. Anthony Cleverley will always be my favourite of them all because it is one of a kind in rtw. Nothing in the world can touch that masterly design imo. The biggest issue is that it is only made for certain feet, and so is the 7,000 and 8,000 last for Lobb, it is because those lasts are so elegant and wouldn't be suitable for many. The Edward Green and G&G lasts are more suitable for mere mortal feet.No blood pumping for Cleverley? Too prosaic?
well, the initial question was ...No blood pumping for Cleverley? Too prosaic?
... but now there is this impractical nonsense about english shoes again, again and again ..., thank you very much.Who makes a good mid range (goodyear) Chelsea these days Shooey?