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[formby]

It's astonishing. Perhaps she was working for other side? Doesn't seem plausible, but this is more than bizarre, it's sinister, going against the natural order. That's why methinks I smell a rat.



You forget, that for the baby boomer generation in the UK, their wealth is solely generated from extreme house price rises. They've saved fuck all, they've invested fuck all, all their wealth derives from house price increases. And it shows in their attitudes that if the poor folk get it, then I want it too! Corbyn's mob have mined this for ultimate effect.

It's Gibbon's divine Decline And Fall...

Decline and Fall...Wasn't that Evelyn Waugh?

Anyway, what I find amusing is that May is pro-Europe and Corbyn is anti.!! LOL.

As for the baby-boomers many of them have final salary pensions, something that is not an option for the youngsters.

But both Labour and Conservatives have been cyncal in chasing, and potentially buying off particular demograhics.

One thing I like though, was that youngsters got off their arses and voted. That's a good thing.

Democracy is often a messy affair.

 

[Arnathor]

Where is the backbone of the British people? How many times do they have to get run over and stabbed in restaurants and markets by jihadis? Young Brits are kowtowing to muslims and political correctness, it is gross. It makes me throw up my hands and say they deserve what is coming to them.

My saying there needs to be another D-Day was hyperbole, guys.

 

[doghouse]

nd say they deserve what is coming to them.

My saying there needs to be another D-Day was hyperbole, guys.

Hyperbole means exaggeration. I believe nonsensical is the word you are looking for.

 

[Monkeyface]

It shocked me last night when I got in, the horror, the horror....

It feels like some Kafkaesque nightmare now, and I'm not even living there!

The youth and students were bought with trinkets and coloured glass beads. Also a lot have already been indoctrinated by two and more generations of the toxic extreme left education system. May alienated the home owning baby boomers with the dementia tax and not sticking to the triple lock pension. They may have said they were voting for Conservatives, but when they got into the voting booth....

It's all going to go horribly wrong very soon, I can see a hard left Marxist-Venezuelan style government come in and destroy the UK. The EU is willing this and they can say to all dissenting voices on the continent: look what happens when you dare to defy us!

The future is bleak, dark authoritarian forces are at work.

Calm down, don't be such a drama queen. It's not the end of the world.

 

[Scherensammler]

If May ever had the dream of going down in history as some sort of Maggie Thatcher 2.0 it's over now.
She's gonna loose the extra income from the PM job and will have to move out of No. 10, but she won't end up in poverty.
She's still an MP after all.

 

[formby]

If May ever had the dream of going down in history as some sort of Maggie Thatcher 2.0 it's over now.
She's gonna loose the extra income from the PM job and will have to move out of No. 10, but she won't end up in poverty.
She's still an MP after all.

For all her faults, which were many, Thatcher would have crushed Corbyn.

 

[Scherensammler]

It won't be long now:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4587604/Boris-Johnson-REFUSES-Theresa-PM.html

Boris REFUSES to back May for PM as bookies make him the clear favourite to replace her

• Boris would only say it was 'early days' when asked if Theresa May should be PM
• Also stayed silent when a reporter suggested Tory leader was 'fatally wounded'
• He is favourite followed by David Davis, Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd
• Theresa May is said to have 'no intention' of resigning - but MPs say she should
• Jeremy Corbyn has again repeated his demand that Mrs May should quit now

The only good thing is that Nicola Sturgeon might be on the way out, too. She seriously claimed that the result was actually a vote for independence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4586486/Scottish-Nationalists-tipped-lose-22-MPs.html

• SNP taken hammering north of the border by Ruth Davidson's Conservatives
• Ms Davidson said the idea of another independence referendum is now 'dead'
• First Minister said today: 'I'm going to pause and reflect carefully on the result'
• Westminster boss Angus Robertson and ex-leader Alex Salmond lost to Tories
• The SNP warned their 'bubble has burst' and some say Sturgeon should resign
• Ms Sturgeon has again pledged to prop up Jeremy Corbyn in any coalition

 

[Lord Buckley]

Decline and Fall...Wasn't that Evelyn Waugh?

The quote is Noel Coward's, but Decline and Fall...of The Roman Empire is of course, Edward Gibbon: how a civilization prostrated itself to ideals of the noble savage and unlimited welfare for all, it ends with the sacking of Rome.

 

[formby]

The quote is Noel Coward's, but Decline and Fall...of The Roman Empire is of course, Edward Gibbon: how a civilization prostrated itself to ideals of the noble savage and unlimited welfare for all, it ends with the sacking of Rome.

I know, I was teasing you...

 

[güero]

PLEASE let it be Boris Johnson! This is going to be more hillarious than I ever thought possible.

 

[Fwiffo]

The quote is Noel Coward's, but Decline and Fall...of The Roman Empire is of course, Edward Gibbon: how a civilization prostrated itself to ideals of the noble savage and unlimited welfare for all, it ends with the sacking of Rome.

Thank you thank you. Edward Gibbon - decline and fall...written about a past civilisation in decline by a current civilisation in its prime. I'm just waiting for some American to pen the same for Britain. Unless that's who this Evelyn is.

 

[formby]

Thank you thank you. Edward Gibbon - decline and fall...written about a past civilisation in decline by a current civilisation in its prime. I'm just waiting for some American to pen the same for Britain. Unless that's who this Evelyn is.

LOL, Waugh was one of the greatest prose stylists of the twentieth century, and long in his grave Rather a dapper chap in his youth...part of that Oxford aesthetic movement.

His first wife was also called Evelyn and they were known as the Two Evelyns. [A High-Anglican] He later turned to Catholicism.

Anyway, an American writer called Christopher Caldwell has already penned such a book.

 

[doghouse]

The quote is Noel Coward's, but Decline and Fall...of The Roman Empire is of course, Edward Gibbon: how a civilization prostrated itself to ideals of the noble savage and unlimited welfare for all, it ends with the sacking of Rome.

Good grief man, you have gone ne plus ultra Noble Savage with the white working class. What on earth are you talking about?

 

[sirloin]

If she stays? Chaos. If she goes and Boris is new PM? Chaos.
One thing is sure, she has managed to weaken the UK Brexit position even more.
Good job I say.

 

[Thruth]

It will be her. She's already been to the palace with a coalition plan.

 

[Scherensammler]

It will be her. She's already been to the palace with a coalition plan.

Doesn't mean she could never face 23 stabs at the next party meeting.

 

[formby]

Anyway, we will now be able to send our, crack negotiating team to Brussels.

The Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team are ready and primed for action...

Brussels will be shitting themselves...

Its all part of the plan...

 

[Fwiffo]

"For Corbyn, the results are tantamount to a Lazarus-like resurrection, a personal victory. Corbyn was written off not only by the mainstream media, but by 172 of his own parliamentary MPs who supported a no-confidence vote against him in June last year."

Corbyn is Lazarus! Come forth and see the light mate.

 

[Grand Potentate]

"For Corbyn, the results are tantamount to a Lazarus-like resurrection, a personal victory. Corbyn was written off not only by the mainstream media, but by 172 of his own parliamentary MPs who supported a no-confidence vote against him in June last year."

Corbyn is Lazarus! Come forth and see the light mate.

you have to admit its a pretty stunning turn around. he was all but left for dead after brexit.

 

[Fwiffo]

you have to admit its a pretty stunning turn around. he was all but left for dead after brexit.

It doesn't absolve his lack of character and the fact that if you met him in a pub he'd be the third, fourth or fifth choice to have a pint with.

 

[doghouse]

It doesn't absolve his lack of character and the fact that if you met him in a pub he'd be the third, fourth or fifth choice to have a pint with.

I might have to abstain from drinking if that was my only option.

 

[Lord Buckley]

Anyway, we will now be able to send our, crack negotiating team to Brussels.

The Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team are ready and primed for action...

Brussels will be shitting themselves...

Its all part of the plan...

One of the good things from the election is that this is the most pro-Brexit parliament imaginable. On reflection: all major players are committed to leaving the EU. Including Corbyn, who cannot implement his nationalization plans within the confines of the EU. All the EU leaders lining up to congratulate him do not understand his intentions and voting record against the EU. This must of course be tempered with the knowledge that 40% of the electorate voted for a party committed to creating a socialist economy run on the Venezuelan model. The real threat is from a future Labour government - the very real danger is the destruction of the UK is a viable functioning capitalist democracy. It is a grave prospect.

The second good thing is the revival of the Conservatives in Scotland with the utter humiliation of the SNP. The union is stronger than ever after getting a taste of the xenophobic one issue politics of the 'Nats.

Styx's commentary is interesting, I do believe there is some mileage in bringing Farrage into the negotiations on Brexit:

 

[Monkeyface]

One of the good things from the election is that this is the most pro-Brexit parliament imaginable. On reflection: all major players are committed to leaving the EU. Including Corbyn, who cannot implement his nationalization plans within the confines of the EU. All the EU leaders lining up to congratulate him do not understand his intentions and voting record against the EU. This must of course be tempered with the knowledge that 40% of the electorate voted for a party committed to creating a socialist economy run on the Venezuelan model. The real threat is from a future Labour government - the very real danger is the destruction of the UK is a viable functioning capitalist democracy. It is a grave prospect.

The second good thing is the revival of the Conservatives in Scotland with the utter humiliation of the SNP. The union is stronger than ever after getting a taste of the xenophobic one issue politics of the 'Nats.

Styx's commentary is interesting, I do believe there is some mileage in bringing Farrage into the negotiations on Brexit:

You can see you haven't lived in the U.K. for a while, because you're quite out of touch. No one wants to turn the UK into Venezuela. It will never happen. It is not something you have worry about. What you should worry about is the slow decay after Brexit, as inevitable as entropy.

 

[sirloin]

 

[formby]

One of the good things from the election is that this is the most pro-Brexit parliament imaginable. On reflection: all major players are committed to leaving the EU. Including Corbyn, who cannot implement his nationalization plans within the confines of the EU. All the EU leaders lining up to congratulate him do not understand his intentions and voting record against the EU. This must of course be tempered with the knowledge that 40% of the electorate voted for a party committed to creating a socialist economy run on the Venezuelan model. The real threat is from a future Labour government - the very real danger is the destruction of the UK is a viable functioning capitalist democracy. It is a grave prospect.

The second good thing is the revival of the Conservatives in Scotland with the utter humiliation of the SNP. The union is stronger than ever after getting a taste of the xenophobic one issue politics of the 'Nats.

Styx's commentary is interesting, I do believe there is some mileage in bringing Farrage into the negotiations on Brexit:

The EU know that Corbyn cannot win an election, but the current situation is one of perceived confusion, where a weakened goverment is at a disadvantage in negotions. They're trouble making quite frankly.

However, it will be easier for the UK goverment than it will be for the EU where they have to try and hold together 20 odd nations all looking after their own self-interest. There are several fault lines to attack there.

It is also worth remembering that we don't need to negotiate at all. we can just leave.

 

[formby]

Don't be daft. British politics is fuck all like Italian politics.

 

[Lord Buckley]

Or like continental politics in general, including Belgium and now, The Netherlands.

The Brits are great improvisers and stoically pragmatic: on the same day as the results, May was able to forge an alliance to form a government and get things done. Here in Holland they're still trying to hobble together a coalition with the communist greens several weeks after the election.

 

[Monkeyface]

The EU know that Corbyn cannot win an election, but the current situation is one of perceived confusion, where a weakened goverment is at a disadvantage in negotions. They're trouble making quite frankly.

However, it will be easier for the UK goverment than it will be for the EU where they have to try and hold together 20 odd nations all looking after their own self-interest. There are several fault lines to attack there.

It is also worth remembering that we don't need to negotiate at all. we can just leave.

Lol, leaving without negotiating. Good luck with that!

 

[doghouse]

Lol, leaving without negotiating. Good luck with that!

Why not?

The silliest part of the whole Brexit idiocy is they don't even have to leave. The UK could do anything it pleases already as part of the EU.

 

[Monkeyface]

Why not?

The silliest part of the whole Brexit idiocy is they don't even have to leave. The UK could do anything it pleases already as part of the EU.

Why not negotiate? You're basically giving up a free option if you don't negotiate.

 

[formby]

Why not negotiate? You're basically giving up a free option if you don't negotiate.

The point is, that WE don't have to negotiate, not that WE shouldn't negotiate.

You have to have the threat, and be willing to use it, or you'll get nothing. Consider David Cameron's Chamberlain moment.

If you you think that the EU will be able to maintain a united front, you clearly haven't been following EU politics closely enough. There are huge fissures in the EU. The French may in the future vote for a far-Right politician to become President. Look at some of the East European governments, South European economic performance, problems with immigration, terrorism, an aggressive Russia and so on...

So with these fissures in mind, the threat to pull British troops out of the Baltic states and Poland would potentially be a first line of attack.

Then, we could move on to charging Euro countries for access to British global inteligence services...

I mean, why should the British tax payer contribute to the safety of a vindictive EU...?

Then there is the potential threat to the future of NATO, without the Brits what will the Americans do..?

Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about the squaking of a few banks and their self-interested employees...?

 

[Scherensammler]

The UK could do anything it pleases already as part of the EU.

No, not really. A lot of stuff the people have voted to leave for is heavily regulated by the EU.
The UK has to let in every EU citizen and give access to the welfare system. It's called free movement of people. Which is nice in a holiday situation. Like when you travel to Holland to sniff the Tulips or watch people carry or roll around big blocks of cheese.
When you have a bunch of radicals or just un-skilled economical migrants (EU and otherwise) wanting to enter: Not so much.
When I studied in Italy in the early 90's I was checked at the Austrian border (well, they also made me pay for the Brenner Pass) and the Italian border, where they even searched my car with sniffer dogs. There were also random controls by local Carabinieri armed with Uzis, pulling over cars.
When I moved to the UK I just showed my ID at the Dutch ferry harbour and at the Newcastle harbour a police woman was walking around my car looking inside. No check of ID.

 

[doghouse]

No, not really. A lot of stuff the people have voted to leave for is heavily regulated by the EU.
The UK has to let in every EU citizen and give access to the welfare system. It's called free movement of people. Which is nice in a holiday situation. Like when you travel to Holland to sniff the Tulips or watch people carry or roll around big blocks of cheese.
When you have a bunch of radicals or just un-skilled economical migrants (EU and otherwise) wanting to enter: Not so much.
When I studied in Italy in the early 90's I was checked at the Austrian border (well, they also made me pay for the Brenner Pass) and the Italian border, where they even searched my car with sniffer dogs. There were also random controls by local Carabinieri armed with Uzis, pulling over cars.
When I moved to the UK I just showed my ID at the Dutch ferry harbour and at the Newcastle harbour a police woman was walking around my car looking inside. No check of ID.

You don't understand what I'm saying.

 

[Scherensammler]

You don't understand what I'm saying.

Then please clarify!

 

[doghouse]

Why not negotiate? You're basically giving up a free option if you don't negotiate.

formby pretty much covered it. No one is saying not to, but it isn't required.

Then please clarify!

The EU is a libertarians wet dream. It's the most flaccid governance structure in history while simultaneously providing great incentive to subvert idiotic national desire to much more important humanist ones. This has been my personal internal chuckle through the whole gnashing of teeth from Greece through Brexit.

The UK could say no we are not doing "x, y and z" and after a bit of sound and fury the EU would respond "ok". This is not hyperbole, this is exactly what would happen. There aren't any inbound EU ICBMs to threaten the UK. The UK is a net payer into the EU, they can't cut off money. The UK us free to do as it pleases at any time and Brexit was symbolic move for morons.

 

[formby]

formby pretty much covered it. No one is saying not to, but it isn't required.




The EU is a libertarians wet dream. It's the most flaccid governance structure in history while simultaneously providing great incentive to subvert idiotic national desire to much more important humanist ones. This has been my personal internal chuckle through the whole gnashing of teeth from Greece through Brexit.

The UK could say no we are not doing "x, y and z" and after a bit of sound and fury the EU would respond "ok". This is not hyperbole, this is exactly what would happen. There aren't any inbound EU ICBMs to threaten the UK. The UK is a net payer into the EU, they can't cut off money. The UK us free to do as it pleases at any time and Brexit was symbolic move for morons.

There are a number of things that bother the Brits.

1. The notion of Sovereignty, this is expressed by the want to control their own borders.

2. A legal concern. British courts are subservient to European Law makers. One of the problems here is remoteness, that is, that laws are made outside the country and not in our courts. Also the law in Britain is based on the Common Law, that is law from the bottom-up, on the continent, it is based on Napoleonic Law, which is law from the top-down.

There are other issues too, but what I think is important is that economics wasn't the reason for many people.

Now, many of these problems could be resolved if the EU was willing or even able to reform itself. But, I don't think it is.

 

[doghouse]

There are a number of things that bother the Brits.

1. The notion of Sovereignty, this is expressed by the want to control their own borders.

2. A legal concern. British courts are subservient to European Law makers. One of the problems here is remoteness, that is, that laws are made outside the country and not in our courts. Also the law in Britain is based on the Common Law, that is law from the bottom-up, on the continent, it is based on Napoleonic Law, which is law from the top-down.

There are other issues too, but what I think is important is that economics wasn't the reason for many people.

Now, many of these problems could be resolved if the EU was willing or even able to reform itself. But, I don't think it is.

You easily could dictate it to them, but you won't. The UK could have been driving the EU bus from the start but you abdicated it to Germany.

 

[Scherensammler]

You easily could dictate it to them, but you won't. The UK could have been driving the EU bus from the start but you abdicated it to Germany.

AFAIK, Great Britain joined the EU (EEC) rather late (the referendum was in the early 70's?) and they also cherry picked what they wanted to keep. Like their currency when the rest (at least the big players) introduced the EURO in 2001.

So why would the UK be the boss of the EU?

 

[doghouse]

AFAIK, Great Britain joined the EU (EEC) rather late (the referendum was in the early 70's?) and they also cherry picked what they wanted to keep. Like their currency when the rest (at least the big players) introduced the EURO in 2001.

So why would the UK be the boss of the EU?

Precisely what you just said. They cherry picked and kept it at arms length for the Little Englander constituency.

They UK carried infinitely more weight than Germany until the past 15 years. They would have been the dominant force had they chosen.

 

[formby]

You easily could dictate it to them, but you won't. The UK could have been driving the EU bus from the start but you abdicated it to Germany.

Well, the French did initially ask us to join them, but our leaders still thought they ruled the waves.

Britain has to take the bulk of the blame for this, or more precisely its politicians. As Scruton pointed out in that other article I posted in another thread, Heath lied to the electorate as to what the EU (the EEC as it was know as at the time) was really about, claiming it to be a trading block. And subsequent politicians have attempted to maintain this fiction ever since. But the gap between reality and fiction became to big.