The SF/AAAC/FNB trainwreck thread

[some bongo player]

As always, the comments section wins

Even the title of that piece is gibberish: Covid’s Opening Act Was Summer Fridays.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

Even the title of that piece is gibberish: Covid’s Opening Act Was Summer Fridays.

Ivy Style's Head Boy rambles again oblivious to the fact that the comments are laughing at him.


Edward T | June 13, 2022 at 9:23 am | Reply

JB, I simply must say you are really a great humorist. You remind me of your late penpal PJ O’Rourke. I am buying some today for my wife just to say thank you for the stories.


Woofter Boxer | June 13, 2022 at 9:47 am | Reply

Haha. Great story.

In my view all the St. John’s perfumes are great. They create a real come to me softly pong. All my partners love them. Ivy ain’t IVY without them

I Apparently Invited My Potential Mother In Law To Do Something Inappropriate And A Fantastic Perfume. - Ivy Style

First time I gave a woman perfume it was a misstep. Remember the Senator’s daughter? It was the first time I met her mother. I was familiar with silverware, I knew how to open the door for people, and I even handwrote thank you notes. We drove out to her house, Toms River NJ, and ...

www.ivy-style.com

 

[doghouse]

Savage olo

 

[Pimpernel Smith]

''I work in social housing development and always feel by dressing up I’m showing respect to the residents I work with. I very much regret the dress down culture of the workplace. I don’t believe men should dress like their teenage sons. At least not at work. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back.''

Well, young Mr Mark Collins, that first get-up of yours is definitely a non-entity of a dressed-up look and is disrespectful to the art of well fitting denim not to mention being an ugly, aesthetically displeasing blob of a style, truly tasteless:

Customer Spotlight: Mark Collins - John Simons

A devout Ivy enthusiast, Mark Collins has been shopping at John Simons’ stores for over thirty years, first visiting Russel Street in 1986. In our conversation with Mark, we discuss his inauguration into the Ivy fraternity, the mystique of authentic American Ivy League Clothing, and the enduring...

johnsimons.co.uk

There's a few beauts in the series too. Peter Kinnaird is about the only one with a modicum of style.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

''I work in social housing development and always feel by dressing up I’m showing respect to the residents I work with. I very much regret the dress down culture of the workplace. I don’t believe men should dress like their teenage sons. At least not at work. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back.''

Well, young Mr Mark Collins, that first get-up of yours is definitely a non-entity of a dressed-up look and is disrespectful to the art of well fitting denim not to mention being an ugly, aesthetically displeasing blob of a style, truly tasteless:

Customer Spotlight: Mark Collins - John Simons

A devout Ivy enthusiast, Mark Collins has been shopping at John Simons’ stores for over thirty years, first visiting Russel Street in 1986. In our conversation with Mark, we discuss his inauguration into the Ivy fraternity, the mystique of authentic American Ivy League Clothing, and the enduring...

johnsimons.co.uk

There's a few beauts in the series too. Peter Kinnaird is about the only one with a modicum of style.

How can people like Collins not realise how bad they look. The jeans outfit in particular is an assault on the eyes.

 

[some bongo player]

Ivy Style's Head Boy rambles again oblivious to the fact that the comments are laughing at him.

And that's considering any comments he perceives as remotely critical are deleted or edited by him.

For all the criticisms that Chens legitimately received, IS, for all its faults, was readable and mostly about ivy clothing. Neither of which can be said now.

 

[some bongo player]

''I work in social housing development and always feel by dressing up I’m showing respect to the residents I work with. I very much regret the dress down culture of the workplace. I don’t believe men should dress like their teenage sons. At least not at work. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back.''

Well, young Mr Mark Collins, that first get-up of yours is definitely a non-entity of a dressed-up look and is disrespectful to the art of well fitting denim not to mention being an ugly, aesthetically displeasing blob of a style, truly tasteless:

Customer Spotlight: Mark Collins - John Simons

A devout Ivy enthusiast, Mark Collins has been shopping at John Simons’ stores for over thirty years, first visiting Russel Street in 1986. In our conversation with Mark, we discuss his inauguration into the Ivy fraternity, the mystique of authentic American Ivy League Clothing, and the enduring...

johnsimons.co.uk

There's a few beauts in the series too. Peter Kinnaird is about the only one with a modicum of style.

The jeans don't appear to appeal to anyone but everything else in that outfit and the other one underneath looks reasonable to me. Again I wonder where you live that such attire - whilst nothing I love - isn't considerably more appealing than what I see 99% of males wearing nowadays.

 

[Pimpernel Smith]

The jeans don't appear to appeal to anyone but everything else in that outfit and the other one underneath looks reasonable to me. Again I wonder where you live that such attire - whilst nothing I love - isn't considerably more appealing than what I see 99% of males wearing nowadays.

The jacket looks to big around the torso too. If I saw that, I would think, Hmmm thinks he's hip, but a bit scruffy.

The silhouette is just trashed by those jeans. There's only person who can get away with those formless jeans and it is Kevin Rowland in his 1982 incarnation.

 

[some bongo player]

The jacket looks to big around the torso too. If I saw that, I would think, Hmmm thinks he's hip, but a bit scruffy.

The silhouette is just trashed by those jeans. There's only person who can get away with those formless jeans and it is Kevin Rowland in his 1982 incarnation.

Everything other than the jeans looks good to me. I never realised I had such low standards.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

Ol' Horace and the Talk Ivy gang seem to be embracing their new chum from Ivy Style.

Horace | June 14, 2022 at 11:14 pm | Reply

Could I just say, John ol’ chum, on behalf of all my chums on the TI forum how much we appreciate your guidance. I am afraid we became lost after the sad departure of our leader Jim who was a main man.
Keep up the good work chum!

Photography Catches Up With Ivy (or vice versa) And The Amazing Tom Brings His A Game This Week - Ivy Style

There was a period of Ivy marketing where you couldn’t determine much about how any product was different from any other product because the photography looked… the same. And then a decade passed and you couldn’t determine much about the product, or even what decade you were looking at because...

www.ivy-style.com

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

Everything other than the jeans looks good to me. I never realised I had such low standards.

I agree with Mr. Smith. I wouldn't let anyone dressed like that into my shed.

 

[Dropbear]

Everything other than the jeans looks good to me. I never realised I had such low standards.

I wouldn’t put it in either of the good or bad outfit threads, but he still looks better than 95% of the people you see out there.

The jeans are excellent, imo - far better than the usual hipster skinny things, though the wider opening at the ankle would work better with an ankle boot or something else a bit more substantial.

I like the jacket, though I know it’s a more relaxed fit than is trendy with the kids these days.

I know sportscoats and jeans gets a lot of flack in these parts, but this looks like a pretty casual cotton (and linen?) jacket suited for the task. Definitely better than trying to dress-up a work coat.

Not a fan of the blue cotton suit dressed up with a white shirt and tie though. Looks like he can’t figure out if he is working in the factory or the office.

 

[some bongo player]

I agree with Mr. Smith. I wouldn't let anyone dressed like that into my shed.

What is so horrific about the shirt, jacket and shoes in the first outfit? All 3 look good to me and work well together. Even the jeans are ok, although I can't say I like them.

 

[some bongo player]

I wouldn’t put it in either of the good or bad outfit threads, but he still looks better than 95% of the people you see out there.

Agreed on both points.

But I like the 2nd outfit too.

 

[some bongo player]

Ol' Horace and the Talk Ivy gang seem to be embracing their new chum from Ivy Style.

I've not actually asked any of the TI posters if they're responsible for any of those comments, but I'm certain they're not and it's a piss take. (Probably of both TI and IS.)

It appears the only way to get past the new guy's over sensitive moderation of the comments is to kiss his butt and hope he doesn't realise it's sarcasm.

I also seriously doubt if any TI posters read IS any more, so a bit of a wasted effort really. TI posters tend to want to read anything to do with ivy clothing - meaning zero motivation to head to IS. Plus there's the fact that new guy's content is so badly-written that even skimming through it is painful.

 

[Dropbear]

Agreed on both points.

But I like the 2nd outfit too.

I’d like it a lot more if he unbuttoned the jacket, lost the tie and undid a couple of buttons on the shirt.

 

[some bongo player]

I detest suit and no tie so I prefer it as is.

 

[Pimpernel Smith]

Ol' Horace and the Talk Ivy gang seem to be embracing their new chum from Ivy Style.

Horace | June 14, 2022 at 11:14 pm | Reply

Could I just say, John ol’ chum, on behalf of all my chums on the TI forum how much we appreciate your guidance. I am afraid we became lost after the sad departure of our leader Jim who was a main man.
Keep up the good work chum!

Photography Catches Up With Ivy (or vice versa) And The Amazing Tom Brings His A Game This Week - Ivy Style

There was a period of Ivy marketing where you couldn’t determine much about how any product was different from any other product because the photography looked… the same. And then a decade passed and you couldn’t determine much about the product, or even what decade you were looking at because...

www.ivy-style.com

Some very boring madras going on there. Not going to win many converts over to the gospel of St Ivy.

With Brooks Brothers effectively dead, The Original Madras Trading Company very limited and conservative in range, Mercer & Sons no longer having madras cloth, J.Press great if you want to look like Bruce Boyer, for that go-to-hell madras look, you'll need to go O'Connell's or Ralph Lauren.

 

[some bongo player]

Some very boring madras going on there. Not going to win many converts over to the gospel of St Ivy.

Have you seen anything on IS since the takeover that would convert anyone to ivy?

 

[Pimpernel Smith]

Have you seen anything on IS since the takeover that would convert anyone to ivy?

Dunno' the new chap has a more convoluted prose style. But the Ivy revival of the late 2000's to the mid-2010's is long gone and a lot of the purveyors have limited ranges, gone rubbish or about to go poof-bust.

Anyway, where were we, ah yes, Hubert Swaine, it seems over on Talk Ivy they think some of us here where making grandiose, claiyvoyant like claims on his social status based on his look...not quite, he just looks naff with those Jeremy Clarkson Dad type jeans.

 

[some bongo player]

Dunno' the new chap has a more convoluted prose style.

More convoluted? It's torturous. Prose style and content.

But the Ivy revival of the late 2000's to the mid-2010's is long gone and a lot of the purveyors have limited ranges, gone rubbish or about to go poof-bust.

So you think if the new guy had been around in that period he would have been producing readable, relevant content?

Anyway, where were we, ah yes, Hubert Swaine, it seems over on Talk Ivy they think some of us here where making grandiose, claiyvoyant like claims on his social status based on his look...not quite, he just looks naff with those Jeremy Clarkson Dad type jeans.

His jacket, shoes and shirt in the jeans shot look way better than what 95% of males sport. Ditto for the suit, shirt, tie and shoes in the second shot. Harping on about the jeans (which I am indifferent to) seems like petty anti-ivy point-scoring.

 

[Pimpernel Smith]

More convoluted? It's torturous. Prose style and content.

So you think if the new guy had been around in that period he would have been producing readable, relevant content?

Was trying to be polite about his style of writing. He would benefit from engaging in active imagination techniques, or writing drunk and then editing sober, or vice versa. Wooden and pained prose is often a sign of not adequately engaging the subconscious.

 

[The Shooman]

Looks like ole Woofy has `flown the coop'

Film Noir Buff Style Forum / Time to say cheerio

 

[prince nez]

This thread has been infected with a virulent FNB subroutine. Ironically there is more content referencing shit happening over there than there is actual shit happening over there.

 

[doghouse]

Looks like ole Woofy has `flown the coop'

Film Noir Buff Style Forum / Time to say cheerio

Wow, he was a diehard.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

Wow, he was a diehard.

It looks as if that's the end of the road for that section of FNB . But as Goodyear Welt used to say it had sadly become 'the dark side'. At several points it seemed as if its existence was discouraging people from posting on The Wardrobe section. But resuscitation of that regardless of what caused its demise in the first place doesn't look possible now.

So Ivy will need just to become 'Trad', which is arguably what it has been for decades - if we discount former little Britsh mods with their 'smooves' who appropriated the term - and the site for those into the style will be Ivy Style , which despite its obvious failings at least has a variety of commentators.

Another possibility, of course, is that someone starts an Ivy thread on here as others began Shoo and Leather Jacket threads in the past.

 

[doghouse]

Another possibility, of course, is that someone starts an Ivy thread on here as others began Shoo and Leather Jacket threads in the past.

Stranger things have happened.

Discussions on Trad

I figured this might be a solid opportunity to create some discussion on traditional menswear. In my mind SF is too CBD-conscious and AAAC is too suburban dad-minded. Hopefully in WDWV there is an opportunity to talk about traditional American attire without veering sharply into the world of...

www.dressedwell.net

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

Ah, okay. So now could be a good time for a reboot.

Discussions on Trad

Anyone ever been to O'Connell's? Southwick Sport Coat - Harris Tweed - Rust & Brown Dogstooth :happycry:

www.dressedwell.net

 

[Streetlight]

TI had improved recently in my opinion - less hagiography, less secondhand, less sneering, new influences

 

[Pimpernel Smith]

 

[doghouse]

TI had improved recently in my opinion - less hagiography, less secondhand, less sneering, new influences

If there's no Worried Man there's no TI if you ask me.

 

[The Shooman]

It looks as if that's the end of the road for that section of FNB . But as Goodyear Welt used to say it had sadly become 'the dark side'. At several points it seemed as if its existence was discouraging people from posting on The Wardrobe section. But resuscitation of that regardless of what caused its demise in the first place doesn't look possible now.

So Ivy will need just to become 'Trad', which is arguably what it has been for decades - if we discount former little Britsh mods with their 'smooves' who appropriated the term - and the site for those into the style will be Ivy Style , which despite its obvious failings at least has a variety of commentators.

Another possibility, of course, is that someone starts an Ivy thread on here as others began Shoo and Leather Jacket threads in the past.

Two things caused it's demise.

1). All the banned people (lots of good posters who had good content to share) got bored of bashing the other places, so they stopped posting.

2). Zealous moderators who ruined the traditional tone of the place. Pushed many people including myself away.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

TI had improved recently in my opinion - less hagiography, less secondhand, less sneering, new influences

Anyway, why not try to invite them over here. Their thread is ready and waiting, or Ready Willing and Able as Jimmy Holiday and Clydie King once said.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

If there's no Worried Man there's no TI if you ask me.

If he is alive, I predict WM will reappear on that Trad thread you started years ago.

 

[Barking Pugilist]

Two things caused it's demise.

1). All the banned people (lots of good posters who had good content to share) got bored of bashing the other places, so they stopped posting.

2). Zealous moderators who ruined the traditional tone of the place. Pushed many people including myself away

 

[Barking Pugilist]

Everyone feels they’ve got the right to be critical of moderators, even though they wouldn’t want to do it themselves. It’s a thankless task and the pay’s rubbish!

Jimmy had to go from Talk Ivy because his participation became just about attention seeking and aggravating other people. Film Noir Buff removed him from being a moderator. The remaining moderators cut him loads of slack but eventually the annoyance he caused to members outweighed any benefit from him being there. Then came the Brexit/Trump meltdown when the political talk became very hard line. You can’t have guys calling each other c*nts on a clothing forum, that’s crazy. A few got banned, moderators were accused of being too light touch and not banning enough. FNB forum went offline for a couple of years, then when it came back it didn’t work properly and has never been fixed. I guess it’s had its day.

Shooey, unlike you, many blokes who come on forums aren’t actually interested in talking about clothes, they would much prefer to post strong opinions about things then get all upset if anyone has the front to contradict them. Then there’s the jerks who turn up purely to prod and rub other people up the wrong way, we all know who they are.

 

[doghouse]

If he is alive, I predict WM will reappear on that Trad thread you started years ago.

One can hope. I still have a coffee mug he sent me years ago in my office

 

[The Shooman]

Everyone feels they’ve got the right to be critical of moderators, even though they wouldn’t want to do it themselves. It’s a thankless task and the pay’s rubbish!

Jimmy had to go from Talk Ivy because his participation became just about attention seeking and aggravating other people. Film Noir Buff removed him from being a moderator. The remaining moderators cut him loads of slack but eventually the annoyance he caused to members outweighed any benefit from him being there. Then came the Brexit/Trump meltdown when the political talk became very hard line. You can’t have guys calling each other c*nts on a clothing forum, that’s crazy. A few got banned, moderators were accused of being too light touch and not banning enough. FNB forum went offline for a couple of years, then when it came back it didn’t work properly and has never been fixed. I guess it’s had its day.

Shooey, unlike you, many blokes who come on forums aren’t actually interested in talking about clothes, they would much prefer to post strong opinions about things then get all upset if anyone has the front to contradict them. Then there’s the jerks who turn up purely to prod and rub other people up the wrong way, we all know who they are.

Many have crazy political opinions and views, but it doesn't mean we trash them or hate them for it. Life will have diversity of opinion and we should be adult enough to handle it. Too many people get crazy these days over what others think.

One well known poster here left recently because he said there wasn't enough talking about clothes anymore.

Jimmy was up to no good. Took me a while to wake up though. There has been numerous funny characters over the years; some are crafty and manipulative, some are egomaniacs, some are bullies, some are thoroughly annoying, some are prickly (half the AAAC crowd), there are all types.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

...many blokes who come on forums aren’t actually interested in talking about clothes, they would much prefer to post strong opinions about things then get all upset if anyone has the front to contradict them. Then there’s the jerks who turn up purely to prod and rub other people up the wrong way, we all know who they are.

No. That's not how it works.

There are a mass of forums and they all have their trolls, the accepted short form for the prodders and rubbers- up you mention.

However, a troll on a cooking forum ultimately has an interest in cooking, and a troll on a menswear forum has more interest in how trousers ought to break than in how much kidney should go in a steak and kidney pudding, and so on. They troll forums which deal with topics which are essentially of interest to them.

Arguably, too, those who earnestly see themselves as honest, topic -focussed forum members - and I mean on any forum- might write such drivel that they are more annoying than the trolls, who can be amusing.

This was JFM's take on it and I believe it is Mr FNB's, too , who started FNB following his persecution by the moderators on AAAC. Many of the initial FNB forum members were similarly escapees from that forum and others like it and thus the FNB forum became known as Devil' s Island. It is this which I believe Shooey has in mind when he talks about the moderators who drove old posters away. It really was ironic how the forum began to be policed.

 

[belinmad]

Some very boring madras going on there. Not going to win many converts over to the gospel of St Ivy.

With Brooks Brothers effectively dead, The Original Madras Trading Company very limited and conservative in range, Mercer & Sons no longer having madras cloth, J.Press great if you want to look like Bruce Boyer, for that go-to-hell madras look, you'll need to go O'Connell's or Ralph Lauren.

Spier Mckay heard you, Pimps