The SF/AAAC/FNB trainwreck thread

Where on earth do these people come from, and why do so many of them come from AAAC??

For starters, a heel comes off a bloke's shoo. How does that happen?
Then the weird stuff...."would it be elegant and acceptable to wear traditional dress shoes without heels?" ....."would I just remove the heel from a new pair of dress shoes if I wanted to go that route?"

These people are out of their minds.
 
The Shooman said:
Where on earth do these people come from, and why do so many of them come from AAAC??

For starters, a heel comes off a bloke's shoo. How does that happen?
Then the weird stuff...."would it be elegant and acceptable to wear traditional dress shoes without heels?" ....."would I just remove the heel from a new pair of dress shoes if I wanted to go that route?"

These people are out of their minds.
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What a comment...

"I seem to remember Earth Shoes, with the negative heel, became so popular in the 70's the manufacturer could not keep up with the demand. Literally overwhelmed them to the point they shutdown."

Because as we all know if you can't keep up with demand you close your factory/workshop. Its the only way to go.
 
Sauce said:
What a comment...

"I seem to remember Earth Shoes, with the negative heel, became so popular in the 70's the manufacturer could not keep up with the demand. Literally overwhelmed them to the point they shutdown."

Because as we all know if you can't keep up with demand you close your factory/workshop. Its the only way to go.
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According to wikipedia, it’s a bit more nuanced but not incorrect. Interesting.

By 1976 sales had grown to $14 million,[8] but the company dissolved in 1977.[3] When the manufacturer of Kalsø Earth Shoes was unable to keep up with demand, franchise owners pursued litigation against the United States distributor.[citation needed] In 2001, Kalsø Earth Shoes re-surfaced after the rights to the name, technology and branded properties were purchased by Meynard Designs, Inc.[citation needed] Subsequent reorganization of Meynard Designs led to the creation of Earth, Inc., as the manufacturing and marketing entity for Kalsø Earth Shoes.[1] They are not to be confused with the Earth Spirit shoe brand sold by Walmart, and others.[9]
 
Some of these forum blokes must have got a bit tipsy over the holiday period. Why? Because overnight the truth was revealed on how big their closets really are. Worth a look at the photos. These guys are really addicted.

How's your closet setup?

Good luck but errrr … this might not be the best place to confess to owning twelve hoodies! 😎😁 Clearly they must all be RRL Purple label cashmere.
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Great wardrobes, but do you really need 80 pairs of braces, or 100 sportscoats or 300 neckties??

What l learned over the years was to buy a quality wardrobe and to have a handful of trousers/coats/shirts etc for each season, and buy things that mix and match easily, ie minimum numbers of clothes with maximum combinations. That way, if l lose weight or put on weight l don't need to replace an entire wardrobe of 100 suits/shirts etc. It takes away the addiction, is easy to manage and minimises any wasted expenditure. Everything is so organised, everything gets worn regularly, and it makes me feel good because I am in control: this system works for me. 99% of my purchases are planned long in advance to minimise mistakes, so very few impulse purchases. I could have went to boxing day sales today to purchase shoes as a special treat, but l declined because do l really need another pair or another treat?? NO, l have enough.
 
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The Shooman said:
. I could have went to boxing day sales today to purchase shoes as a special treat, but l declined because do l really need another pair or another treat?? NO, l have enough.
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Very sensible. But treats are about indulgence, Shooey. The happiness produced by indulgence may make it worth buying from time to time.
 
The Shooman said:
Some of these forum blokes must have got a bit tipsy over the holiday period. Why? Because overnight the truth was revealed on how big their closets really are. Worth a look at the photos. These guys are really addicted.

How's your closet setup?

Good luck but errrr … this might not be the best place to confess to owning twelve hoodies! 😎😁 Clearly they must all be RRL Purple label cashmere.
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Great wardrobes, but do you really need 80 pairs of braces, or 100 sportscoats or 300 neckties??

What l learned over the years was to buy a quality wardrobe and to have a handful of trousers/coats/shirts etc for each season, and buy things that mix and match easily, ie minimum numbers of clothes with maximum combinations. That way, if l lose weight or put on weight l don't need to replace an entire wardrobe of 100 suits/shirts etc. It takes away the addiction, is easy to manage and minimises any wasted expenditure. Everything is so organised, everything gets worn regularly, and it makes me feel good because I am in control: this system works for me. 99% of my purchases are planned long in advance to minimise mistakes, so very few impulse purchases. I could have went to boxing day sales today to purchase shoes as a special treat, but l declined because do l really need another pair or another treat?? NO, l have enough.
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My missus has been nagging me for weeks about my Xmas prezzie wishes. She got me a Varsity cap which I wanted but I can't have anymore clothes or shoes. Its got to the stage where its just clutter being shoved into already overflowing wardrobes of clutter. I'm gonna have a big clear out next week. Loads of pants and sports coats are going to go to goodwill. No doubt 2023 will see the wardrobes as cluttered at the end of the year as they are now. But at least it'll be fresh clutter. After all, I'm not an idiot.
 
The Shooman said:
Andy from S.F is supposed to be a big daddy to all the kids, but he is one of the blind leading the blind.

He says "I use Divij Bespoke a lot. All my dinner jackets and all my double breasted suits are by Divij. So, I highly recommend them"

Bespoke in Los Angeles

Hello, I am looking for recommendations and/or reviews of tailors who make bespoke suits in the LA area. I’ve been searching for information for a few weeks now, but most of what I’ve found is either out of date or vague. So far I’ve visited/heard back from: JB Clothiers Owned by Jerry...
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but his Divij coats have collar gaps, yet he recommends them. See...the words of igents are hard to trust.
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I think once again you’re judging from one single picture with a forced stance - Andy is leaning against a bar, with his jacket buttoned, and an arm to his face.
That Divij dude has probably cut at least 15-20 jackets for Andy (he’s his local tailor - he otherwise uses a bunch of London tailors - Steed, Sexton, Cad and the Dandy and Caroline Andrews if I recall correctly), If you go through his insta you’ll see a whole bunch of them. I can see collar gaps in maybe a handful of pics with stressed stances, the rest are pretty spot on.
 
You quoted me before l could delete it. Maybe you are right, but l not feeling really confident in the photos l have seen. What is his instagram again?
 
The Shooman said:
You quoted me before l could delete it. Maybe you are right, but l not feeling really confident in the photos l have seen.
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everyone is entitled to their opinion - I’m just suggesting you go take a look at the other seven hundred million pictures Andy has posted before deciding the tailor sucks.
 
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O.k, l checked out about 30 photos of Divij bespoke at different angles, and l then popped on a shirt and coat and mimicked Andy's positions almost exactly. The results: my coat collar didn't budge from my neck where-as Andy's Divij coats did. I also wiggled around a bit l mimic walking around all day, still no collar coming from neck. It is like l thought belinmad belinmad , those Divij have issues. Some seem o.k, bit a bunch are not so good. It tells me things are not right. Here are some photos:

1st and 4th pic shows the ugly side of it. Andy may have pulled coat down and fixed it in photos 2 and 3. Pic 1 and 4 shows the coat goes off neck when it should not.


1st pic shows coat starting to come off neck with little effort. Not too bad, but shouldn't come off so easily.


With little effort that collar is off the neck. Not good. Divij bespoke again.


2rd photo of Andy's Divij bespoke really shows the ugly truth, but none are perfect.


Had about 13 films of Andy with Divij coats coming off his neck too. You may try to deny it, but l have seen the truth of these coats on Andy and others wearing the Divij. The young bloke is o.k, but he needs more years mastering his craft.

I initially deleted my post because l don't want to hurt Andy's feelings, but l feel he'll be o.k with this. His other suits made by famous tailors...no problems that l have seen so far.
 
This 9 minute speech explains very well the guru like narcissists of the other unforum, per example. manton that asshole
who said a Neapolitan tailor can´t do a proper 3 pieces suit, is like saying Maserati can´t do a sports car. What an asshole.



But what I lked most was this sentence:

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Sartodi Napoli said:
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Everyone wants to be the teacher/guru online, but few have put in the decades to earn the title of guru/teacher. A good friend said to me long ago, don't be the teacher, spend your life being the student and you'll probably end up knowing far more than most of the teachers.

And it is true, the gurus are never original, they just spew group think and talk up the big names. They often say silly things too. Being the fake teacher gives them the following they enjoy.
 
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The Shooman said:
Everyone wants to be the teacher/guru online, but few have put in the decades to earn the title of guru/teacher. A good friend said to me long ago, don't be the teacher, spend your life being the student and you'll probably end up knowing far more than most of the teachers.

And it is true, the gurus are never original, they just spew group think and talk up the big names. They often say silly things too. Being the fake teacher gives them the following they enjoy.
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Life is not made to be a master or teacher, nor master or servant.

Do as me a be a lumpen , a lumpen to be, young padawan.
 
I listed a few things on the SF B&S recently (damn eBay dropping PayPal sucks). Just some tacky stuff but priced to move. I haven’t really looked through the forums there for years but my sense is that activity really nosedived. Maybe a hardcore of older active members and a few newbs doing drive-by sizing question posts.
 
I had to have a giggle over this bloke's shoo collection. Imagine if people walked in and saw it, they'd wonder who the heck owns all the shoos. :rofl:

How's your closet setup?

I’m very interested for those who had to expand beyond a regular closet onto a walk-in closet or a dedicated room for all the clothes? Some have decent space to store all the clothes and shoes, meaning that the house is quite significant given that the individual is living together with a spouse...
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It reminds me, time for a new thread.
 
I think people would probably get a shock if they saw mine as well, especially if they saw the shoos, jumpers and sox. They'd say "who the heck is this guy". The difference is that i've been collecting shoos all my life since 13, and l had a shoo list of dream shoos years before as a little kid. Very few of these other guys are like that, few of them ever noticed good shoes until the internet; and they acquire bucketloads of shoos virtually overnight, and it seems so off. We old school shoomen never did things that way, shoos were an adventure and slowly collected over a lifetime. An adventure is not meant to be rushed, but people do things in crude and cheap ways now, ie, they spend a fortune because they want everything instantly, but the adventure and the stories behind the collection are missing, so the purchases you see are just soulless and empty. I just feel sad when l see these collections.
 
So who are the real deal shoomen? Blokes who took inspiration in shoos long before the internet was ever invented, ie, blokes like Bengal-Stripe, Fritz and myself, ie, blokes with shoos in their blood. Us guys would have had large collections even if the internet had never been invented. Us guys loved shoos all our lives. My great grand father's shoos really set up my mindset from about age 3, it was then that l knew l wanted to own similar pairs that were truly great, but even before age 3 l took an interest in shoos; l just loved the stitching and the leather on my dad's good shoos long before age 3...l was hooked. Kids would play with toys, but i'd study shoos along with playing with toys, and l have the photos to prove it. My uncles pair of stunning $110.00 loafers (very expensive for the 70's) as a kid also fired me up, and his inspiration from back then has stayed with me until this very day. Seeing the various men in the city with their GYW shoes also inspired me as a kid, l wanted all the good pairs. As a 25 year old l acquired better shoes, and my hunger for the good ones grew, so l finally set my eyes of attaining the highest goal of all, to own the `lassy-do-ba' shoos. It took decades longer to achieve that dream, and it was every bit as good as l imaged it would be. Got a pair of `lassy-do-bas' on today.
 
In the old days a few of us shoo guys would share notes about shoes, we'd also go on shoo hunts across the city finding those few places that sold the goods ones. Back in the 90's few people had good shoes, and good shoos in Australia were rare as hens teeth, and very expensive. A few of us hard core aspiring shoo guys entered the extremely rare 500 club back then (blokes who paid over $500 for their shoos). We'd also venture into custom shoos.

You see...these were the stories and memories of the shoo pioneers. We'd network, share legends about BIG Johnny Lobb, Edward Green etc, and build upour profile in the shoo world the hard way. We were really dedicated hardcore shoo guys. We didn't know a whole lot, but we were hungry as heck to climb the ladder in the shoo hierarchy. I miss those days when we were the few, and knowledge was hard to attain; now every man and his dog is in on the act, and all they do is read the internet - gone is the adventure, the legends, and networking etc. This is why l scoff at those Johnny-come-lately shoomen...their journey's are nothing like ours were. We were the pioneers forging the way, the real deal shoomen who had to work hard to earn their stripes.
 
Dropbear said:
That was a lot of money back then!

What line of work are you in?
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It was a lot of money back then, but there was also an ultra rare 1,000 club that a few guys were also in. Never met anyone in the 1,000 club because l assume all those guys were big time high rollers well established in their careers, and they would have been more discreet. We 500 guys were still climbing the ladder, and there was not the same craziness in paying 500 for a pair compared to paying over 1,000. l don't want to draw unwanted attention so l shouldn't say too much, people wouldn't understand my interest in clothes/shoos.
 
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The Shooman said:
It was a lot of money back then, but there was also an ultra rare 1,000 club that a few guys were also in. Never met anyone in the 1,000 club because l assume all those guys were big time high rollers well established in their careers, and they would have been more discreet. We 500 guys were still climbing the ladder, and there was not the same craziness in paying 500 for a pair compared to paying over 1,000. l don't want to draw unwanted attention so l shouldn't say too much, people wouldn't understand my interest in clothes/shoos.
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The bad part with not getting the best from the first instance is that you expend way more in therms of cash, looks and mental avoidance of obession than if you get the best from the start. It happened to me not only in clothes but in almost everything.
 
Sartodi Napoli said:
The bad part with not getting the best from the first instance is that you expend way more in therms of cash, looks and mental avoidance of obession than if you get the best from the start. It happened to me not only in clothes but in almost everything.
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Could not have said it better. Do it right in the first place and you never have to think too much about clothes ever again.

The owner of Harrolds used to get in my ear back in the day, and he was a genuine deal, really cared about quality and knew what he was talking about. He took the time to teach me stuff that has stuck with me to this day. Back then the store stocked impeccable specially made exclusive items with stratospheric price tags, and he explained to me about this other world where quality came first, and he explained what quality was. He opened my eyes, but being a silly kid l never got to truly appreciate his wisdom until more recent times. He also got me into shoe trees.

The problem with being young is that you don't really know what you like, and tastes can change. I could have saved for classic bespoke, but I would not have been ready to go down that path at that stage, and l probably would have messed it up and chosen a more modern cut and styling because l wouldn't have known what l was doing (too immature). Sadly it can take some people like myself decades to learn what they are doing, but even now I am still trying to work it all out, ie, fabrics etc.
 
I'll tell you a secret Sartodi Napoli Sartodi Napoli , only recently have l really learned about what l am doing with shoes. Buying Lattanzi has completely changed my outlook. Iammatt always knew this stuff because Lattanzi taught him properly as well, and he was possibly the only one who really understood shoes properly online (some shoemakers excepted), but after decades l now finally understand his shoe wisdom and what real art is. Took me decades of dedication to finally enlighten to the shoo wisdom. Now l understand why Iammatt scoffed at Lobb, Edward Green, Berluti, G&G etc...because he knew what real art was. I've worn all types of great shoes over the years, but there is really only one shoe I want to wear, Lattanzi.

I see these brilliant Japanese bespokes, Italian bespoke, English bespokes etc, and l don't want to wear any of them. They don't do what Lattanzi does.

Things used to be so complicated; had so many pairs of shoos that it would take time to work out what to wear. These days life is simple...just wear Lattanzi and it will always be right. Only takes 30 seconds to work out what shoes to wear now. My obsession with shoos is vanished now because l have the perfect shoes and don't want anything else. I feel free.
 
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Meanwhile it has only been 6 weeks, yet the Allen Edmonds thread has already reached 94 pages. These guys are maniacs, never seen such a cult following of anything as AE has and those who love the old Florsheim v cleats.

The 2023 Allen Edmonds (AE) Appreciation Thread

Wishing you all a safe, happy, prosperous, and healthy 2023 (and, of course, a year filled with beautiful shoes and boots).
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Sammy Ambrose said:
AE makes and sells good shoes at a good down to earth real-world price. That's the attraction.
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And in a full range of sizes. For those of us with EEE feet, the options for decent shoes are a lot more limited, but AE have a wide (pun intended) selection.
 
The Shooman said:
I'll tell you a secret Sartodi Napoli Sartodi Napoli , only recently have l really learned about what l am doing with shoes. Buying Lattanzi has completely changed my outlook. Iammatt always knew this stuff because Lattanzi taught him properly as well, and he was possibly the only one who really understood shoes properly online (some shoemakers excepted), but after decades l now finally understand his shoe wisdom and what real art is. Took me decades of dedication to finally enlighten to the shoo wisdom. Now l understand why Iammatt scoffed at Lobb, Edward Green, Berluti, G&G etc...because he knew what real art was. I've worn all types of great shoes over the years, but there is really only one shoe I want to wear, Lattanzi.

I see these brilliant Japanese bespokes, Italian bespoke, English bespokes etc, and l don't want to wear any of them. They don't do what Lattanzi does.

Things used to be so complicated; had so many pairs of shoos that it would take time to work out what to wear. These days life is simple...just wear Lattanzi and it will always be right. Only takes 30 seconds to work out what shoes to wear now. My obsession with shoos is vanished now because l have the perfect shoes and don't want anything else. I feel free.
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He is one of the best. A true artist and very good dressed man, not a degenerate tacky as those we all know...
 
The Shooman said:
Meanwhile it has only been 6 weeks, yet the Allen Edmonds thread has already reached 94 pages. These guys are maniacs, never seen such a cult following of anything as AE has and those who love the old Florsheim v cleats.

The 2023 Allen Edmonds (AE) Appreciation Thread

Wishing you all a safe, happy, prosperous, and healthy 2023 (and, of course, a year filled with beautiful shoes and boots).
www.styleforum.net www.styleforum.net
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Remember years ago you and me called into the Florsheim store and had a pair of "Suicide Cleats" Florheims in a plastic bag - - and showed them to a bloke in there ?

Was it you or me who had the V cleats?
 
fxh said:
Remember years ago you and me called into the Florsheim store and had a pair of "Suicide Cleats" Florheims in a plastic bag - - and showed them to a bloke in there ?

Was it you or me who had the V cleats?
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There was quite a bit of interest a few years ago on v cleats on this forum.

the dark side of Florsheim Imperial Kenmoor v cleat wingtips - an investigation

Have you ever wondered why the older Florsheims used the heavily nailed heels on the double soled wingtips? One big reason was because those gunboats used a solid piece of plastic directly under the top part of the heal. In order to make the leather top part stick on they needed to use lots of...
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