Famous People Who Died

formby002

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I enjoyed his book on bullshit jobs, but too say he was an intellectual giant is pushing it....a lot.
 

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Yes, I think that is actually part of what's great about him. He only used the "minimal intellectuality" required to come up with something useful/interesting, but in general was focused very much on action. Hardly any academic and philosophical wanking, just as much as is necessary to get the work done.
 

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Fair point. I enjoyed Matthew Crawford's The Case For Working With Your Hands, but he has a tendency to philosophical musings which upsets the flow of the book a bit...
 

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I enjoyed his book on bullshit jobs, but too say he was an intellectual giant is pushing it....a lot.
Thats because On this, like with most other things, you speak from a place of misunderstanding. The man was one of the best we had at understand power dynamics and our relation to them. Truly a great loss for society. A staunch defender of judiasm and of a jewish homeland. Or as you might describe him, an antisemite. Here's a very instructive video that you should watch and i know you wont truly ingest.
 

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Thats because On this, like with most other things, you speak from a place of misunderstanding. The man was one of the best we had at understand power dynamics and our relation to them. Truly a great loss for society. A staunch defender of judiasm and of a jewish homeland. Or as you might describe him, an antisemite. Here's a very instructive video that you should watch and i know you wont truly ingest.
...unlike your good self who is very comfortable equating Zionism with Nazism. You may, or may not be an anti-semite Rambo, but you do hold anti-semitic views.

Oh and by the way, try and resist the urge to pollute every thread with your conspiratorial bullshit. This belongs in the Politics thread.
 

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...unlike your good self who is very comfortable equating Zionism with Nazism. You may, or may not be an anti-semite Rambo, but you do hold anti-semitic views.

Oh and by the way, try and resist the urge to pollute every thread with your conspiratorial bullshit. This belongs in the Politics thread.
 

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Revelatory...!!!
of course you'd be sarcastic about a man who spent his entire life delving into the actual causes of problems in society and ways to fix them. its much easier to sit behind your computer and claim your lived existence is the epitome of the human condition. i'm sure there's a guardian op-ed you'll be able to find from 6 years ago that says Graeber was a secret nazi as well.

 

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Fair point. I enjoyed Matthew Crawford's The Case For Working With Your Hands, but he has a tendency to philosophical musings which upsets the flow of the book a bit...
I might pick that up, it's an interesting topic. I read The Craftsman by Sennet a couple of years ago, enjoyed it a lot.
 

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of course you'd be sarcastic about a man who spent his entire life delving into the actual causes of problems in society and ways to fix them. its much easier to sit behind your computer and claim your lived existence is the epitome of the human condition. i'm sure there's a guardian op-ed you'll be able to find from 6 years ago that says Graeber was a secret nazi as well.

No, I was being sarcastic about the tweet you posted which confuses banality with profundity.

As said, I've read one of Graebers book's and enjoyed it. I have/had no animus towards him whatsoever...
 

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No, I was being sarcastic about the tweet you posted which confuses banality with profundity.

As said, I've read one of Graebers book's and enjoyed it. I have/had no animus towards him whatsoever...
got it, so dont hate the man just everything he stands for.
 

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R.I.P. David Graeber
2020 September 4



tags: Obituary

by Ian Welsh

So, David Graber’s dead. Author of “Debt” and “Bullshit Jobs.” An anthropologist, anarchist and fierce activist. The link to his obituary is to the Guardian because it amuses me: he stopped writing for them after they helped smear Corbyn for anti-semitism (a charge Graeber fiercely refuted). Somehow they don’t mention that in the obituary.

Debt was and is an important book. Graeber goes into how money was actually created, as debt, and in effect a way to force people to work for money, even though they didn’t want to. (This is a vast over-simplification and you should read it.) Bullshit Jobs posited that about 40% of jobs don’t need to be done or are actively harmful, and went into some details. I don’t own either of them (read them in bookstores), so I can’t refresh my memory, but Debt in particular struck me at the time as important.
Graeber got some historical details wrong, but none of them were sufficient to undo his overall thesis, and he was roundly hated by historical economists for the book.
He has one more book coming out, “he Dawn of Everything: a New History of Humanity,” written with David Wengrow.
When I heard the news of Graeber’s death I was shocked. I didn’t know him, we weren’t friends. But he was doing actual important work, he was fiercely willing to stand up for what he believed right, and the work he was going to do won’t be done now. At age 59, he had probably another 10 years and two or three books, possibly important, in him.
De Gaulle quipped that “the graveyards are full of indispensable (people)” and mostly he’s right, most people’s deaths don’t matter much to anyone who didn’t know them. Someone will replace them who will do about as good a job.
But an intellectual or artist worthy of the name is, in some sense, indispensable. There are works they will not do, and if they don’t do them no one will.
I didn’t know Graeber, and I can’t claim to be personally sad. But he had important work still to be done, and no one will do it now. And without him to defend Debt from its attackers, it will lose luster and importance (because it’s the sort of book which must be destroyed by status-quo defenders, as it suggests capitalism is not what it claims to be.)
May he rest well, and if there is an afterlife, may it be kind to him. He will be missed by people who never knew him.
 

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got it, so dont hate the man just everything he stands for.
Again no, you can't condense complexity into simple slogans, that's what politicians do...

Y'know, I've never met anyone who wants to make the world a shitter place...just people who disagree on how to make it better.
 

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Okay if President Trump gets to fill the vacancy and Obama didn’t get to with a year remaining in his term then something is truly fubar.
Trump supporters have been busily trying to rationalise it all day today.
 

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It was Ginzburg who died? I thought it was Larry King.

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Nobody picked up Juliette Grecco, French actress and ex-girlfriend of Miles Davis.
Yes. French postwar chanteuse who hung around with the left Bank set - Sartre, Camus etc.


She had a certain look. Though not really the sort of music that I listen to .
 
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