The War in the Ukraine

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And if Ukraine loses, how many more NATO members will be sharing a border with the Russian army?

Looks like they are planning to clean house and settle more than one score:

 
And if Ukraine loses, how many more NATO members will be sharing a border with the Russian army?
No additional border with Russia. That is what counts. They are used to sharing US/NATO borders with their army. You might understand that is preferable for them.
 
No additional border with Russia. That is what counts. They are used to sharing US/NATO borders with their army. You might understand that is preferable for them.
Of course Russia likes to have ‘allies’ ringing their border so they have depth of defence, but wanting to use your neighbours as an unwilling buffer (human shield) against their will doesn’t really contistitute ‘legitimate security concerns’ justifying invasion, does it?

It’s a weak argument now and it was weak during the Cuban missile crisis.
 
Looks like Germany is now getting onboard with prohibiting access to SWIFT. But the term ''selected banks'' possibly leaves a get out clause.
Specifically it means that Gazprombank in Luxembourg is SWIFTing like never before and will continue to do so!
 
Of course Russia likes to have ‘allies’ ringing their border so they have depth of defence, but wanting to use your neighbours as an unwilling buffer (human shield) against their will doesn’t really contistitute ‘legitimate security concerns’ justifying invasion, does it?

It’s a weak argument now and it was weak during the Cuban missile crisis.
As far as I remember (little and/or hardly) a. not expanding NATO was a US assurance in the 2+4 negotiations (broken) b. when it did expand Russia wanted to join (declined) c. you can't join NATO if you are at war/in an armed conflict (tough luck for Georgia etc have a look at the list who's next). So I guess yes it does justify an invasion. The US has used 'legitimate security concerns' as a justification for invasions/occupations multiple times. That is what you do as an imperialist country.
 

"You are afraid because NATO is not willing to defend. Because NATO is afraid of World War III, but it is already started. And the Ukrainian children who are there [are] taking the hit."

"You are talking about more sanctions, prime minister, but Roman Abramovich is not sanctioned. He's in London, his children are not in the bombardments, his children are there in London."
 
And if Ukraine loses, how many more NATO members will be sharing a border with the Russian army?

Looks like they are planning to clean house and settle more than one score:


Moldovia and Transnistria are demographic black holes, all the young people have left. A lot of young people have left Ukraine too.

"You are afraid because NATO is not willing to defend. Because NATO is afraid of World War III, but it is already started. And the Ukrainian children who are there [are] taking the hit."

"You are talking about more sanctions, prime minister, but Roman Abramovich is not sanctioned. He's in London, his children are not in the bombardments, his children are there in London."
That lady is one of Klaus Schwab's children of the corn. Fake as fuck. If you see her in that exchange with the video, when she turns to the journalists, you can see she's acting and grandstanding. Why we need such bad actors in such a serious time, is mind boggling. It's like they can't keep the gobshittery turned up enough and they have to be insidiously inserted into everything.
 
I've noticed the news cycle has gone a little bit quiet. Not sure that's a good sign. My missus woke me up this morning telling me she felt an earth tremor and could I check if somewhere near had been nuked. Scary shit.

Checked out a couple of websites and the Russian bots are in overdrive in the comment sections. They must be working overtime in that hanger near St Petersburg.

Meanwhile, one of my nieces in the UK has raised GBP 620.00 in one day for the cause of freedom which is great.
 
Plenty of German Nazis have claimed to join their Ukrainian Nazi friends (eg Azov battalion), apparently some have already left for Ukraine. Nice way to solve the problem, don’t think too many will come back.
 
these pictures of atm lines in russia are getting BLEAK. not going well on the finance front.
 
I've noticed the news cycle has gone a little bit quiet. Not sure that's a good sign. My missus woke me up this morning telling me she felt an earth tremor and could I check if somewhere near had been nuked. Scary shit.

We had one of those lost child alerts ringing on our mobile and people thought it was an imminent nuclear strike. If it was a nuclear strike what would you do anyway? Even if you hid under a table or in a bunker the residual radiation would kill you or create a long painful rest of your life. You might as well sit back, have a whisky and play The Girl of Ipanema.
 

What Americans think of Biden's Ukraine response? (Must have hit a patch of Republicans here)


And last night on NBC before the State of the Union, Mark Warner was praising the President on how it wasn't the US that took the lead on Swift and other sanctions, he let the Europeans do it. It showed collaboration or whatever term he used to justify it. If you're the leader of the free world, you should lead -- not wait for the rabble to find circle the drain reductive consensus.
 
Plenty of German Nazis have claimed to join their Ukrainian Nazi friends (eg Azov battalion), apparently some have already left for Ukraine. Nice way to solve the problem, don’t think too many will come back.
The Azov battalion are indeed Neo-Nazi ultra-nationalist filth, but they only managed to get 2% in the last election and didn't get any seats. Remember that lunatic who kept storming into press meetings back in 2014 with his Kalashnikov demanding representation, they just shot him dead in the end, as he was an utter embarrassment.
these pictures of atm lines in russia are getting BLEAK. not going well on the finance front.
They can't sell their oil either, including with heavy discounts. Of course, we'll still be buying the Russian gas here in Europe even if he starts nuking us.
We had one of those lost child alerts ringing on our mobile and people thought it was an imminent nuclear strike. If it was a nuclear strike what would you do anyway? Even if you hid under a table or in a bunker the residual radiation would kill you or create a long painful rest of your life. You might as well sit back, have a whisky and play The Girl of Ipanema.
I've been playing a lot of piano music these past evenings, from Bill Evans, Monty Alexander to Ryuichi Sakamato and beyond. Also been playing the Bukky Leo version of William Onyeabor's Atomic Bomb. But you might be on a winner there with bossa-nova playing humanity out at the end of times.

Let's hope it is the plans, and not an Operation Fortitude, style deception.

The missus has found out that some of the green houses that supply eastern Europe are now running convoys of aid. So she's gone now to deliver a load of food and nappies and such like. Which also includes all the provisions I bought at the start of the pandemic when it looked like we'd been for something very nasty indeed.
 
Looks like they're looking to take Odessa by land. There's a naval blockade, but there's mines laid, so they're stuck.

According to my sources, vacuum bombs are definitely being used and they suck you inside out if you're not in the immediate blast zone. That's a big hit on morale as it's disturbing to see the dead bodies contorted in such manner, and the thought of that being done to you or kin.

We've told the brother-in-law to get out now, he's not of fighting age, everyone else is out and he has a job waiting for him here as he works for a Dutch company and they wanted him to take over the training from now until he retired anyway. And that was going to be based here with him traveling back at weekends, or every other weekend.
 
Looks like they're looking to take Odessa by land. There's a naval blockade, but there's mines laid, so they're stuck.

According to my sources, vacuum bombs are definitely being used and they suck you inside out if you're not in the immediate blast zone. That's a big hit on morale as it's disturbing to see the dead bodies contorted in such manner, and the thought of that being done to you or kin.

We've told the brother-in-law to get out now, he's not of fighting age, everyone else is out and he has a job waiting for him here as he works for a Dutch company and they wanted him to take over the training from now until he retired anyway. And that was going to be based here with him traveling back at weekends, or every other weekend.

This one?

I thought he was almost 60? Ex pats are trying to get into the country to fight.
 

This one?

I thought he was almost 60? Ex pats are trying to get into the country to fight.
The situation if fluid and I will give an update tomorrow. The fight is on several fronts, some are in the equivalent of reserved occupations and as the brother-in-law is needed to train the next generation of those working on LNG ships - which we're going to need desperately in Europe - he's best located on that front line here.

Looks like my household will be full in the coming months.

This is sad, but very true:

 
Of course, we'll still be buying the Russian gas here in Europe even if he starts nuking us.
Isn't that a nice tradition. Didn't Stalin continue to supply Hitler with tons of shit way after he was attacked? I think I remember something like that.

I found this article very interesting because I knew approx. nothing about how their supply chain works:
 
Canadians with ties to the country as well as those who just want to help say they are travelling to war zone

"Canadians are not the only ones eager to join the fight in Ukraine.

A spokesperson for the Ukrainian Embassy in Tokyo told Reuters that it has received calls from people 'wanting to fight for Ukraine.'

The Mainichi Shimbun newspaper reported that as of Tuesday, 70 Japanese men — including 50 former members of Japan's Self-Defence Forces and two veterans of the French Foreign Legion — had applied to be volunteers, Reuters said."
 
Isn't that a nice tradition. Didn't Stalin continue to supply Hitler with tons of shit way after he was attacked? I think I remember something like that.

I found this article very interesting because I knew approx. nothing about how their supply chain works:
Correct, they were transporting iron ore and raw materials, but also it was a two way deal, they were getting military and other technologies from Germany right up until Barbarossa commenced.
Germany, Hungary, Poland, the EU … good to see a lot of Europe finding their balls.

That's good news indeed. All the superyachts on the way to the Seychelles and Maldives, I would seize on the high seas, or make it very clear, if they ever come out of those territorial waters ever again they will be seized. Rendering them next to worthless.

The oligarchs may be essential to bringing Putin down, but as Boris stated their silence is deafening, or words to that effect. We need to take away their playground in London. Make it uncomfortable for them, seize assets and expel.

Kherson appears to have fallen, next: Odessa.

The world's shipping fleets won't touch Russian cargos:

 
Word on the street is that the Russian parliament will declare marshal law in Russia tomorrow, or earlier, close the border and introduce mobilization, clearly not going well for the regime:


Meanwhile, the brother-in-law is on a smugglers route for the last 10kms into Moldovia. He changed his original route as it went through Transnistria as there's Russian troops there. But he needs to move fast to avoid breaking the curfew.
 

"Could the convoy be destroyed?

Ukraine does have some air capability, and has been used powerful Turkish-made drones to destroy other Russian convoys. But according to Gen Barrons, Kyiv simply does not have the military force necessary to destroy a column of this size."

But NATO does? Is this the pivotal moment and the Russians fold and go home? Or at least enact a ceasefire over their gains.
 

For those who have ADD like me:

Short war
Long protracted war
European war
Diplomatic settlement
Putin is toppled
It's anyone's guess.

Merkel's legacy dethrowned:

 
It's anyone's guess.

Merkel's legacy dethrowned:


Strangely I read this morning that two people could broker a peace with Putin. Xi and Merkel.

For those of us in the West that's like Hobson's choice.
 
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I have to think it's imminent. The poultry feed exporter company man said he hasn't seen a lorry come in to pick up the feed for export to the EU since Sunday.
 

"Could the convoy be destroyed?

Ukraine does have some air capability, and has been used powerful Turkish-made drones to destroy other Russian convoys. But according to Gen Barrons, Kyiv simply does not have the military force necessary to destroy a column of this size."

But NATO does? Is this the pivotal moment and the Russians fold and go home? Or at least enact a ceasefire over their gains.
Calm down Rambo, we don't want to be kicking WWIII off do we.
 
They've attacked the nuclear power station at Zaporizhzhia and looks like some buildings are on fire, but not the reactors. Is this Putin's scorched earth policy? I can't have it, so I'll make Ukraine and much of Europe uninhabitable.

Remember back in the 80s, people use to say the Russian psyche is a thousand years behind the western mind. I'm starting to believe it now.

Strangely I read this morning that two people could broker a peace with Putin. Xi and Merkel.

For those of us in the West that's like Hobson's choice.
Merkel has delivered us into the jaws of the crocodile. Unfit for active duty in that role.

The other is fit only for seeding the world with deadly viruses.

That's not quite what is being asked, they're being asked to participate against an evil tyrant which West Germany did quite successfully during the Cold War. I see no difference here.

More on Merkel's and Schröder's follies:



And there I was thinking Diversity Officers and LGBTQ Allies were going to be the future:

 

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